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So, my friends, while I waited to go live at the daypost, I looked through things a bit. Obviously, I can't help much the lack of interest shown by my alternate personality, the dear distracted roflwaffles, but I hope the ability to look at things from the outside has given me a bit of perspective.
I'm not entirely convinced by most of the current cases being thrown around, but I have some reasons to wonder about a would-be "town leader", under the circumstances.
While overall, being up-front and visible shouldn't scream "Scum", with the overall activity level right now, it almost seems like a role-reversal. There's far too much lurking and too little discussion for any policy lynches to be all that likely to work out in favor of our beloved town.
There's one person practically calling out the scum, perhaps he knows he's safe? It certainly appears nothing happened, almost like an effort to earn airtight credibility in this low activity hunt.
On June 27 2012 00:53 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
FoS: Esspen
I think the focus has to switch to the less active posters (NrGmonk, AegonC, roflwaffle55y, Esspen).
Consider the amount of content, not just the amount of posts.
I'll give you my opinions regarding the lurkers, I hope it's gonna help you in making a decision on which one to lynch. If someone of the would-be-modkilled lurkers just posts and votes shortly before the lynch without a damn good reason to do so, we should obviously lynch him. I think it's good to have a consensus on this alternative, I would appreciate if townies expressed their approval if they agree with this.NrGMonk: Gonna vote for him if he posts right before deadline to escape the modkill. AegonC: Doesn't offer any reads with his generic minipost. His priority is next to NrG's. Esspen: Kinda weird posts. He posts first when it's about discussing the lynch all liars policy. What strikes me here is that he questions the policy, but concludes the post with his line about lynching blues and confusing scum. That might have been a slip.His next post says it was intentional, and he immediately uses that explanation to put his FoS on Release. He never took a hard stance during this, he never tried to post a case on Release when he had reason to. And then he completely forgets Release in his last post, to 'completely agree' with Keirathi and hopeless1der about the lurker lynch policy. + Show Spoiler +
Saying that he would be a too obvious mafia isn't a valid defense for me either, mafia can be obvious if the players make mistakes, and I still don't buy above blue role lynch mistake as intentional. It might have been, but that'd be very risky play by a townie.
roflwaffle55: He comments on policy (lynch > NL), doesn't like Release style of posting, promises more contribution after sleeping.
Him commenting negatively on Release very early looks townie to me. I wouldn't vote for him instead of the other three as of now.
Note the levels of effort. It's almost like it should be a foregone conclusion who to target.
On June 27 2012 04:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners. I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen). No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy.
Pointing out a definition of scummy that suits his agenda of trying to get people targeted.
On June 27 2012 08:39 Vivax wrote:
I don't understand town atm.
We had policy lynch discussion just at the beginning of the game where the general consensus seemed to be lynch all lurkers.
I have yet to see one guy who says that we should lynch lurkers in absence of clear scumtells.
And yet there are people voting for all sorts of people except for AegonC, the biggest lurker (looks like there's gonna be lots to be replaced tho).
Did I miss any decisive scumtells out there?
Again, targeting specific people based on a policy lynch that actually doesn't favor town very well in the current climate.
On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives.
Calling out the scum, but absolutely no interest in him? It's like he wants to look above reproach.
I agree this is by no means airtight, but I've got an FoS on you, Vivax, and I'll be keeping an eye on you as well.
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My case against esspen:
Some of this has already been covered, but I'll just consolidate it all in this post.
On the policy: I believe we should try to identify and lynch mafia first. Simple policy, but with great results.
States the obvious with his very first post
On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote:I do not get all that "lynch the liar" for several reasons. Townies obviously cannot know whether someone lied or not, only clues they can grasp onto are inconsistencies and vagueness. The only players who know the truth are scums and if the whole game is going to revole around us identifying who lied, mafia is going to win rather easy. Mafia can win just by ereasing their memory that they are mafia and simply playing with a mindset of a townie, leaving townies lyinching each other as they find innocent inconsistencies in their speeches (ie posts). Secondly, even blues have to lie in order to survive. But that also means when I say "I am mafia." you should lynch me no matter whether it is true or not, as if I'm telling the truth, you just lynched mafia, and if it is not true you lynched liar. (breaks my heart  ) But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable...
We've already talked about how anti town this tactic would be.
On June 26 2012 02:43 Esspen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 22:28 JieXian wrote:
Jokes aside, Esspen why the hell did you post that? To be quite honest, just to see reactions of people. And maybe catch some scummy behaviour. Btw I must say that Release seems to be the scum as all reacted to my post it the form of "wtf? please explain" etc. wanting some explanation, yet Release is the only one actually attacking. Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 23:52 Release wrote:
If yourself and vivax found that confusing, doesn't that make him Mafia (as opposed to yourselves)? Townies are trying to avoid confusion while mafia try to cause confusion. If you say his reasoning is the reasoning is your reasoning, that's kind of a catch 22
Goes with the flow of the thread by casting yet more suspicion on release, saying he was "the only one attacking" him for that post regarding blues. This isn't true, as he'd raised most active posters' alarm bells, and release's reaction was not any more aggressive than the others.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2012 04:12 Esspen wrote:Originally I planned to vote for either BioSC or Release, but now reading posts about Hopeless makes me want to lynch him too... anyway I'll probably vote for what majority votes, no sense in a No-lynch. Case on BioSC:His posts before someone accused him as lurker: Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote:
I like Esspen. A man after my own heart!
I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies.
And hi everyone else! Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 12:57 BioSC wrote:On June 25 2012 12:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
To further clarify my response to Release:
I'm saying lynch people that we can collectively agree have been dishonest in something they have said or done.
Further discussions on what constitutes 'dishonesty' may follow at a later time, or right now if whoever is reading this should so happen to desire. Right now would be the perfect time to discuss it, seeing as we've been talking about it since game start. Now would be a good time to say some things, seeing as how you have the first vote and all. Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote:
@ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over. So far he has said the obvious, embraced the discussion (while not adding anything to it - this is just weird) and answered a question. Contribution to town - zero. But after he gets mentioned as a possible target for lynch for being a lurker, he gets active and tries to put the focus on the other lurker who is even more lurkerious. He also mentiones he's not lurker which can only mean that he saw himself being active - might indicate that he wrote such vacuous things for a reason. Also he attacks the one who proposed him for the lynch. His posts after getting accused for being a lurker: Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 12:12 BioSC wrote:On June 26 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Very well dNa, that rules our NrGmonk.
BioSc vs AegonC
Im inclined towards BioSc because he has more useless posts, whereas Aegon could just be super inactive I'm confused... You want to change policy to lynching lurkers, but want to lynch me because I'm not lurking? Huh... Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 12:41 BioSC wrote:
Whatever. My point was that you want to lynch lurkers. AegonC isn't going to be modkilled. He's met the quota (Barely, but he has) Release called you out on your first policy, and now you are shifting to lurkers. Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote:On June 26 2012 12:55 Hopeless1der wrote:##VOTE BioSCWho says I cannot maintain multiple policies. Not enough has been said for me to conclude that anyone has been dishonest. I do not agree with No-Lynch, especially in the early game. Are you not a lurker BioSC? In what way...what have you done that suggests otherwise? (p.s. I know I have to vote in the Vote Thread thread for it to count) Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote:
/in
This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote:
Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 13:43 BioSC wrote:## Vote Hopeless1derOdd, because I was about to say similar to you. You have yet to explain to me why I've met your random, mysterious qualities for lurking, over someone with bare minimum posting standards. Here's me not discussing policy - + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote:
I like Esspen. A man after my own heart!
I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies.
And hi everyone else! Hmm... so lets see, now who's meeting policy? Don't try to make a half assed case on me and ignore portions of my filter, especially this early, there is no reason for it. We wanted policy talk done early. I made my statement about lurkers, and that was it. Now, lets go through YOUR posts. Your opening post contains some cliche townie wisdom/ Your "policy" (don't lie) wrapped up in some cute dialect. 2-4th posts are you floundering about when Release calls you out on your policy. Trying to make yourself seem better when you are called out (I.E. excuse making.) Then this post: + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2012 04:46 Hopeless1der wrote:FOS:EsspenShow nested quote +On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote:
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But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable...
Blues are townies as well, yes? In what game would your suggestion be beneficial to the town? Certainly not a newbie game. This is an insane statement to make, regardless of "I wanted to see the reactions." Also, Release hasn't really questioned you except for the whole "OMGUS" as the opening post: Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 10:04 Release wrote:
Fos: Esspen
I don't like your name. Do something about it. Oh noes...Granted Release is attacking just about anyone right now, but that's to get things going. Your statement was ridiculous and right now, I'm suspect you of trying to shift the attention back onto him since he's been so vocal that it makes him an easier target. Release has gone to bed, so his pressure is off you, and now you begin shifting attention away from yourself. Start with the easiest case, Esspen with his really bad "joke" statement. Easy target to shift focus to. Finally, we arrive to your 3rd policy of the day, Lurkers. No one is really biting on Esspen for whatever reason, so you need to find something that sticks. Lurkers gets some comments, as some people have already expressed interest in that policy. So your choices are arbitrarily narrowed down to 2 people. If you honestly expect people to follow your lynch lurker policy, Aegon would have probably been a better choice. Hell, I may have gone along with you. But for whatever reason you have yet to explain adequately, you focus me. I think you may have made a few too many scumslips. You can stick to policy lynching lurkers. I'll policy lynch scum. Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 13:51 BioSC wrote:
Don't think I've forgotten about you Aegon
FOS Aegon
Step up the activity. If you don't want to be next.
I'm going to bed. See everyone in the morning. Now on Release:There is just something wrong with him. Seems like a smart guy, might as well be the most heard one so noone would assume he's mafia. Why would anyone assume that the most outgoing person is mafia? That's it on him. Anyway we should all reach some consensus for whom to vote, and then all vote for him.
Then this post, where he basically rehashes everything hopeless1der said about biosc with reworded commentary. Also note how he basically spams biosc's entire filter in this post towards the end with no commentary at all, padding out his post and making it look like he's contributing more than he really has. Note also that he is very indecisive; he planned to vote for biosc or release, then hopeless1der, makes a case against biosc and then votes for roflwaffles55
I know we gave him the benefit of the doubt after that bizarre post saying we should lynch blues, but he can't hide behind this cover forever. I think this is something we should deal with now rather than later. For now I'm voting for him, but this is of course subject to change if a better target presents themselves. Jinglehell, I might have something to add to your vivax case later, but I have to rush now, so it'll have to wait.
## Vote Esspen
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EBWOP:
Massive screw up in the second last paragraph, it's meant to read:
Note also that he is very indecisive; he planned to vote for biosc or release, then hopeless1der, makes a case against biosc and then votes for hopeless1der despite saying he wouldn't.
On June 27 2012 08:14 Esspen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:07 BioSC wrote:
EBWOP: That goes for Esspen as well. There is NO excuse. There are plenty of cases to choose from. How people are missing Hopeless' scumminess is beyond me, but do NOT waste votes like that. You are too easy targets for scum to manipulate your votes like that. There are cases, but those cases are not going to be lynched anyway as now it's either Hopeless or Rofl. I unfortunately cannot vote for Hopeless as only thing he's done is gone maybe too far with attacking you, otherwise I completely agree with him.
This is his last post btw.
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So, BassInSpace, you think there may actually be more than an FoS worth of a case on Vivax? I'm game for seeing any good reads anyone has, we desperately need better activity to flush the scum out, unless the guess about role reversal was on track.
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GG Release.
Honestly, it isn't looking good for us right now. Not only was a KP killed at night, there has been a grand total of TWO (2) people to even bother to check in.
Esspen: Where the hell are you? Your vote and subsequent lurking are looking really scummy, man. Do you think that you can't save yourself? I beg to differ. Coming in and saying SOMETHING, anything at all, can help. Right now we have NOTHING to go on, and the 3 or so of us talking can't exactly make any headway.
Bass: You bring up some valid points. Obviously Esspen is acting scummy. I would be down with a vote on him, barring he come and actually bring up some amazing defense. What are your thoughts on some of the lurkers? Keiriathi comes to mind off the top of my head, posting early but obviously disappearing.
MiltonKram: Welcome to the game, I really hope you don't meet the same fate as your predecessor... >.>
Same goes to you Jingle. You already have 100% more contribution than your replacement, but as the 2nd highest vote getter (of a mislynch) I can't exactly just ignore that.
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Hey guys, I'm reading all the posts now. Can't really bring up novel ideas, but Bass's argument against Esspen seems good.
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Right now Esspen is both scummy and lurking.
Vivax is being confusing
Bio stops lurking but his D1 behavior is weird
NrGmonk has the BOTD for being busy as TLStaff
JingleHell had the BOTD from me since roflwaffle was replaced for being busy
Keraithi is next on my list after Esspen for lurking, unless he's replaced and I have to give him the BOTD
Esspen looks like a good lynch imo - fits both criterias for it.
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Hey guys, just got back from work. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be reading through the thread to get caught up on all the action that went down.
Let's hunt some scum.
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If we kill Esspen and he is scum, then JingleHell most likely is scum, too. (For being protected by Esspen against his own beliefs)
If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that.
I still find these options to be risky overall, so I went on with looking at other information:
Let's have a look at the nightkill, scum has to be sloppy to use it to kill people suspecting them openly. They would rather use nightkills to cast suspicion upon others.
However, in this case, Release had a lot of interesting interactions at the start:
-He was the first to suspect Hopeless1der
-dNa was the first to suspect Release
-immediately after, Keirathi put his FoS on him aswell based on the same argument dNa used (using votes so early isn't good, they said.)
+ Show Spoiler +Ok, I got suspicious about Keirathi here, so I had a quick look at his filter, and
-Keirathi tried to put doubt on the most active townie soon and only after another one did.
-He doesn't post anything suspicious about Release on his own, instead he tries to encourage more policy discussion.
When he's done with that, he suddenly drops his Release FoS cause 'he's putting himself too much into the limelight for a townie'. After dropping the FoS, he immediately follows other townies into the attention switch onto Esspen.
Keirathi: Bandwagony, really weak contributions, tries to blend in, keeps activity to a minimum.
- JieXian posted a case against Release.
- After the lynch, Release called out BioSC for his criticism of high activity. No real threat for Bio here yet.
Then, he got killed.
I'd like to hear some more regarding Release's death and especially Keirathi. Latter has a very passive, safe playstyle, the mafiavibes are strong with this one.
FoS: Keirathi
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Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player.
But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.
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Vivax, let's be realistic here. I'd call that an OMGUS if it made sense, but it's more like the verbal equivalent of funhouse mirrors.
You receive an FoS, and start discussing the merits of lynching me compared to a person who has a reasonable case against them. Better still, after running in those circles faster than a poodle on cocaine, you attempt to misdirect suspicion to a third party for lurking, even though killing just for lurking is a horrible plan when there's so many lurkers.
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What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes. But else, it's a policy that doesn't allow people to sit back, be it lazy townies or passive scum.
I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen
I still find these options to be risky overall
After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me.
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Lynch all Lurkers is a horrible policy when there's so many lurkers the scum could win before we finish if we aren't careful.
I can't help that my alternate personality roflwaffles seemed suspicious to you. Hell, I know he was town, and he still looks a little fishy to me. I can, however, look at inconsistencies and strange behavior in people, and what you've been saying is enough to make me wonder about you.
Granted, I don't know why Esspen made that miracle vote to save me. What I do know is that there's a few of us trying to pierce the pall of lies and the veil of obfuscation hanging over our town, and there's you, just adding a huge pile of vague suspicions and serpentine logic, trying to cast doubt in every direction.
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I'm terribly sorry for lurking, for some reason I thought we could not post during the night (based on what I read here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night ), and the day started for me at 2 am when I was already asleep.
My defence is that I'm not mafia. And I voted for Hopeless in the end because I've read all BioSC's case against him few minutes before voting and decided to vote for him, and in the worst case that he was townie I would just press against BioSC even more (which I'm going to do as of now).
Plus I'm good soul and like saving people.
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I wanted to wait to see what Vivax would post before adding to Jinglehell's FOS, and he has more than delivered.
@Jinglehell, while you raise an interesting point about him making his presence known in a relatively inactive game to appear towny, my case doesn't actually revolve around any of that.
My case against Vivax:
The post that made me suspicious of Vivax was this one:
On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives.
What exactly makes you so special Vivax? If your definition of a townie believed to be a townie is someone who hadn't had suspicion cast on them yet, then at the time of that post, dNa, keirathi, JieXian and myself all fit the bill. Why would you be the only candidate for being shot? I think you're trying to make yourself look more towny than you really are.
Now for this next part I'd like people to follow his filter as they read my post, because there are too many suspicious posts for me to place here:
The other thing that I find suspicious is your habit of going after easy targets, and insistence in voting for JingleHell over esspen. Your basis for voting rofl in the first place was his lurking. Jinglehell has already posted way more than rofl has, yet you still prefer his lynch over esspen because you think a Jinglehell lynch would yield more information. We now know rofl didn't post because of RL issues; he was replaced. He wasn't lurking with a mafia agenda. His replacement is now active, not lurking. Why are you still going after him over esspen or dNa?
Your main target now is Keirathi. Again, the easy target because he hasn't done anything in awhile. But again, why Keirathi over esspen or dNa? Since the policy discussion on day 1, Keirathi didn't even vote, and should have been modkilled/replaced by now. Keirathi is not lurking with a mafia agenda either.
I'm thinking you're trying to leave the esspen vs jinglehell lynch alive as long as possible by going for Keirathi. This way, town will have to deal with the potential relationship between esspen and jinglehell and lynch one, when YOU know that neither one is mafia.
He put a lot of effort into discussing policy the entire game (look at how detailed and thorough his first post in the game is compared to the rest), and has not made a single case against anyone. I don't count casting suspicion all over the place (especially with regards to esspen and jingle) and then wanting to go after keirathi for lurking (which i already pointed out as flawed) as making cases.
Lastly:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2012 20:41 Vivax wrote:If we kill Esspen and he is scum, then JingleHell most likely is scum, too. (For being protected by Esspen against his own beliefs) If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything. If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle. If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that. I still find these options to be risky overall, so I went on with looking at other information: Let's have a look at the nightkill, scum has to be sloppy to use it to kill people suspecting them openly. They would rather use nightkills to cast suspicion upon others. However, in this case, Release had a lot of interesting interactions at the start: -He was the first to suspect Hopeless1der -dNa was the first to suspect Release -immediately after, Keirathi put his FoS on him aswell based on the same argument dNa used (using votes so early isn't good, they said.) + Show Spoiler +Ok, I got suspicious about Keirathi here, so I had a quick look at his filter, and
-Keirathi tried to put doubt on the most active townie soon and only after another one did.
-He doesn't post anything suspicious about Release on his own, instead he tries to encourage more policy discussion.
When he's done with that, he suddenly drops his Release FoS cause 'he's putting himself too much into the limelight for a townie'. After dropping the FoS, he immediately follows other townies into the attention switch onto Esspen.
Keirathi: Bandwagony, really weak contributions, tries to blend in, keeps activity to a minimum. - JieXian posted a case against Release. - After the lynch, Release called out BioSC for his criticism of high activity. No real threat for Bio here yet. Then, he got killed. I'd like to hear some more regarding Release's death and especially Keirathi. Latter has a very passive, safe playstyle, the mafiavibes are strong with this one. FoS: Keirathi
You can't speculate on night kills like this. I could just as easily say mafia killed the people who WERE suspecting them openly because they figure people would never think they'd do something that obvious. I believe prompting discussion about night kills like this (half of that whole post) and your constant focusing on "lurkers" who aren't actually lurking in a scummy fashion is an attempt at confusing town and stifling useful discussion.
For now, I am getting off esspen and going for you Vivax
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Oh wow, sorry for the massive space at the bottom, my mistake.
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EBWOP:
I'm thinking you're trying to leave the esspen vs jinglehell lynch alive as long as possible by going for Keirathi. This way, town will have to deal with the potential relationship between esspen and jinglehell and lynch one later in the game, when YOU know that neither one is mafia.
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Well well, I want to hear other opinions regarding me before I post my defense. I don't feel threatened by a lync
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Well well, I want to hear other opinions regarding me before I post my defense. I don't feel threatened by a lynch as of now, and there are still too many lurkers.
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Vivax, you're trying to direct suspicion on three different people at once, based on incomprehensible logic. I think the real reason you're deferring your defense is an effort to buy time to straighten out your story; it's as crooked as a paper clip right now.
I don't know why you keep pressing lurkers, in a town of this activity level, that's like a surefire way to keep the heat off of the scum until it's too late.
What we need to do is increase the pressure in general, spot inconsistencies, and lean on people. Right now, I have my sights on you. Think about it, people, Vivax is arguing in favor of a policy lynch that isn't clearly in the town's best interest right now, he's sowing confusion, he's trying to spread the blame around.
This isn't majority lynch, so if there's enough confusion, all it could take is 1-2 scum votes to tilt things, without them even looking like they're working together.
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