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I find it funny that there aren't instants and stuff in this game because "timing is not supposed to affect the game"....but in the Main Phase timing is everything.
If someone destroys a creature of yours before you can use its ability is not the same as you using its ability and that guy destroying your monster afterwards, so yeah, timing is still important.
Also I don't necessarily agree with having a 2 hour block phase.....if someone is sleeping/busy at that time then they will never be able to block attacks.
Maybe the Attack/Block phase should be 12 hours each? Or at least 18/6 or something?
Or maybe change the duration of the Main Phase as well? Something like this:
Main Phase: 36 hours
Attack Phase: 24 hours
Block Phase: 12 hours
Or:
Main Phase: 40 hours
Attack Phase: 24 hours
Block Phase: 8 hours
Perhaps?
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I would like 18/6 for attack/block phase, would help my life greatly
Also last day of school this year woot!
Will go check board and play my avatar
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On June 29 2012 09:54 GreYMisT wrote:
You guys do realize we are giving ultimate power to unconfirmed people on day 2 right?
anyone but me think this might be hasty?
NOPE I have no objection
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On June 29 2012 14:28 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 09:54 GreYMisT wrote:
You guys do realize we are giving ultimate power to unconfirmed people on day 2 right?
anyone but me think this might be hasty? NOPE I have no objection
And oh great nova, who wilt thou be attacking.
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Not really, I just wanted to say "Wilt" and "thou"
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On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos
Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
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On June 29 2012 15:37 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
Oberyns not attacking you, I am
And no, you are refusing to help the town. So you die.
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On June 29 2012 15:37 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
You could convince me you are town, and maybe I could convince Nova not to attack you next turn (which is like 90 hours from now), but you need to cooperate with town to make this obvious pro-town plan to give 2 townie guys power (unless you think one of us is not townie)
....don't help town and I'll convince everybody to kill you for probably being scum, so choose wisely
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I'm attacking zealos unless both oberyn and wbg tell me not to after that last post
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Lol this is funny
" [...] I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit."
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Btw heres the reason I'm not so sure on Nova:
Gonzaw asked for heals after being attacked. Nova said he's not having luck drawing cards and might end up getting something the next turn. He then proceeds to search his library for that 8/8 trample thing that he knows he can't play in the near future by himself unless something weird happens. Something weird happens and he's able to cast it with our help.
I'm just a little scared that's no coicidence. If I were Nova I probably would have searched for something like:
+ Show Spoiler [this] +
to play it on my own this very turn instead of getting an 8/8 creature I can't even play until lategame until everyone else helps me.
That's what's bothering me with Nova. Yes his posts in general are giving me a townvibe but that move looked weird, but we can't give Obe that 8/8 creature unless Nova plays it. Just to make it sure. I will spellbomb that thing if you do something fishy.
I don't mind you attacking Zealos or Greymist. I want you to and you pick who it's going to be out of those 2 but the moment we get some bullshit like "herpaderpa I'ma going to attack Fulla instead as a policy lynch for not doing something" I will spellbomb that thing. That's also the reason I don't want Fulla to get mana.
I'm waiting and waiting, giving people chances to contribute something themselves (I'm looking at you Greymist) without just blabbering about something someone else already said and nothing's happening. But if Fulla ended up jeopardizing something like I just said I don't want to see happening with Nova, that's almost a mafia claim for every one else in the game. However I could see a terrible shitstorm forming if that were to happen because of people yelling "lyyynch him" and other people yelling "nana, he's just a noob who did a mistake, give him more time!". I don't want to get him in that position of power when we're not sure about him and he is somewhat likely to screw up as both town and mafia.
At least that's my take on his "skill" so far, giving him the perfect excuse to do it as mafia if he really is mafia.
Anyways am gone for a couple of hours. Probably won't be in here until something like 2 hours prior to the deadline because I'm playing a tournament today. I will attack Greymist if that 2/2 creature of his is out of the way. I don't care about the 1/1 thing myself but you might.
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On June 29 2012 20:45 WereBugs-Go wrote:Btw heres the reason I'm not so sure on Nova: Gonzaw asked for heals after being attacked. Nova said he's not having luck drawing cards and might end up getting something the next turn. He then proceeds to search his library for that 8/8 trample thing that he knows he can't play in the near future by himself unless something weird happens. Something weird happens and he's able to cast it with our help. I'm just a little scared that's no coicidence. If I were Nova I probably would have searched for something like: + Show Spoiler [this] +to play it on my own this very turn instead of getting an 8/8 creature I can't even play until lategame until everyone else helps me. That's what's bothering me with Nova. Yes his posts in general are giving me a townvibe but that move looked weird, but we can't give Obe that 8/8 creature unless Nova plays it. Just to make it sure. I will spellbomb that thing if you do something fishy. I don't mind you attacking Zealos or Greymist. I want you to and you pick who it's going to be out of those 2 but the moment we get some bullshit like "herpaderpa I'ma going to attack Fulla instead as a policy lynch for not doing something" I will spellbomb that thing. That's also the reason I don't want Fulla to get mana. I'm waiting and waiting, giving people chances to contribute something themselves (I'm looking at you Greymist) without just blabbering about something someone else already said and nothing's happening. But if Fulla ended up jeopardizing something like I just said I don't want to see happening with Nova, that's almost a mafia claim for every one else in the game. However I could see a terrible shitstorm forming if that were to happen because of people yelling "lyyynch him" and other people yelling "nana, he's just a noob who did a mistake, give him more time!". I don't want to get him in that position of power when we're not sure about him and he is somewhat likely to screw up as both town and mafia. At least that's my take on his "skill" so far, giving him the perfect excuse to do it as mafia if he really is mafia. Anyways am gone for a couple of hours. Probably won't be in here until something like 2 hours prior to the deadline because I'm playing a tournament today. I will attack Greymist if that 2/2 creature of his is out of the way. I don't care about the 1/1 thing myself but you might.
I don't have any creatures with heal abilities, and so my avatar of might move. I explained my reasoning for the AoM earlier. There isn't a chance in hell that as scum I would reveal an AoM because of this exact situation where I could be forced to use it for the town after that board card appeared. Gimme some credit xD
I do have a card that could/will prolong oberyns life for an extra turn, but with only 4 of them in my deck chances of it being drawn are slim.
I welcome this discussion, it's actually useful
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On June 29 2012 14:07 Oberyn wrote:
Also I don't necessarily agree with having a 2 hour block phase.....if someone is sleeping/busy at that time then they will never be able to block attacks.
Maybe the Attack/Block phase should be 12 hours each? Or at least 18/6 or something?
Or maybe change the duration of the Main Phase as well? Something like this:
Main Phase: 36 hours
Attack Phase: 24 hours
Block Phase: 12 hours
Or:
Main Phase: 40 hours
Attack Phase: 24 hours
Block Phase: 8 hours
Perhaps?
Players can announce if they want to block beforehand by PM to me in case they can't make the deadline.
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@Were you say you're a bit weary of Nova, but don't want me to have anything? But would it not be far wiser for the power distribution to be fairly evenly spread?
Right now Obe will be dead soon, and Nova will have an 8/8 creature, should he turn out scum and some of us have nothing, we're screwed.
Say for example it turns out Grey and Nova are actually the scum, we'd have a powerful sliver deck with a town pumped up elf deck. In 2-3 turns after Obe is gone could we stop them? Especially if Zealos is in fact innocent and wiped out by us. Along with the unblockable Mafia Beast we'll get crushed easy,
So I'll feel far more safer with us all having Can I get 2 mana back please to cast Electropence. Atleast then I have something.
Whats everyone else's thoughts on this?
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Artanis, when you say that we can't use abilities during the block phase that sounds different than what you told me in PMs. If I can't sacrifice my creatures during the block phase it hurts my deck quite a lot. If a two hour block phase is too short for you to resolve creature abilities in what you think is a fair way, could we have a poll or something on going to a longer block phase?
It's not just my deck - basic abilities like regeneration and blue bounce-blocking would be completely annulled if creatures can't use abilities during the block phase.
Alternatively, what if we could set up our block phase actions during the attack phase? Make it so that you can't take back an action or attack during the attack phase, and then the other players can use creature abilities during the attack phase in response to other attack actions.
Additionally, I have a suggestion to solve the problem someone mentioned above about timing problems like not being able to use a creature ability if someone else ninjas you and plays a kill spell or whatever. What if you resolved all spells and abilities targeting creatures or cast by them in proper stack order at the end of the main phase? That way people could still play spells and abilities targetting each others' creatures without it coming down to a timing question.
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On June 29 2012 15:37 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. [big]I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding. [/b]
Why would a townie say this? If you are town you don't say you will "help" town, because you are the town. This actually feels like a third party-slip, but I doubt there are third parties in such a small game so I think zealos is probably scum.
I read over greymists filter. It's hard to get a read on him because he was under attack right from the start for a pretty silly reason. I still think his "treat this like a magic game" paradigm is dangerous for town and makes him highly suspect, but I think zealos is scummier right now and pending talking to my brother I currently plan on attacking zealos.
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On June 29 2012 23:09 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 15:37 Zealos wrote:On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. [big]I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding. Why would a townie say this? If you are town you don't say you will "help" town, because you are the town. This actually feels like a third party-slip, but I doubt there are third parties in such a small game so I think zealos is probably scum. I read over greymists filter. It's hard to get a read on him because he was under attack right from the start for a pretty silly reason. I still think his "treat this like a magic game" paradigm is dangerous for town and makes him highly suspect, but I think zealos is scummier right now and pending talking to my brother I currently plan on attacking zealos. [/b]
*sigh*
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Must be a third party slip. No question about it.
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On June 29 2012 15:37 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:22 Promethelax wrote:An interesting thing I just learned about Zealos, he is a really nice guy ready to give mana to whoever needs it On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana? until there is a plan that uses that mana to help town in a tremendous way On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum. This is the same Zealos who hasn't had any ideas about anyone being town or mafia this whole game, he doesn't have a clue: On June 27 2012 05:23 Zealos wrote:On June 27 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 03:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
at the current state, would anyone have a problem with me attacking Fulla turn 2? Zealos is a mafia veteran though. He knows how to play and so far I haven't gotten much from him. I'd like to see some reads from him and some from Matt as well since he hasn't really given us much yet. I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't. So when he offered to give mana to people it was a very nice gesture with no real feeling behind it, as soon as it became clear that we, as town, were going to use that mana to help us in a major way he recinded his offer and decided that he didn't trust two people who most of us have green reads on (although for me at least Oby is more green than Nova). Zealos is flip-flopping harder than John Kerry and he hasn't given us a reason. ## vote: Zealos Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
Why would a townie say this? If you are town you don't say you will "help" town, because you are the town. This actually feels like a third party-slip, but I doubt there are third parties in such a small game so I think zealos is probably scum.
I read over greymists filter. It's hard to get a read on him because he was under attack right from the start for a pretty silly reason. I still think his "treat this like a magic game" paradigm is dangerous for town and makes him highly suspect, but I think zealos is scummier right now and pending talking to my brother I currently plan on attacking zealos.
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