Bastard Mafia 2

On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:




Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition

All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

On June 17 2012 03:35 talismania wrote:
Fuck yes I'm town for once.

Ok everyone listen up. Here's what's happening:

Mass Encrypted Roleclaim

(1) Go to http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html

(2) Type in your role and win condition (I recommend doing this separately)

(3) Post the encrypted message here, and store the key somewhere you won't lose it.

(4) Play the game out normally

(5) In the event that you are going to claim your role and win condition, do so by posting the key to your encrypted message

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What this accomplishes:

This forces scum to fake claim NOW. They cannot wait to see what kinds of roles are in the game. They cannot wait to see what kind of win conditions are in the game. They must come up with whatever lie they want to make on Night 0. This is way harder than coming up with a good situational lie later in the game.

It doesn't hurt town at all. Scum gets no information from it, because everyone participates.

Important points:

EVERYONE PARTICIPATES. No exceptions. It doesn't hurt you if you're town, it only makes scum squirm a little. Even if you are vanilla townie, write "I am vanilla tonwie blahblahblah"

EVERYONE DOES THIS NIGHT 0. No exceptions. The longer you wait the more information scum gets to figure out how best to fake their role.

NO ONE POSTS THEIR KEY UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY. This should be obvious. But unless you're on the chopping block to be lynched, don't post your key.

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I'll start:

My role:
+ Show Spoiler +
My win condition:
+ Show Spoiler +




Note: I added some spam text in the middle of my mesage in order to get longer results. I suggest you all do the same.

On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:

(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).

Anyone have anything else?

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My random setup speculation:

with only 15 players one mafia team of 3 + a SK role is possible but not terribly likely. Too quick of a lylo. I think it's more likely that there's 2 anti-town teams of 2 players each with one kp apiece. Then at least 2 different kinds of third parties, and at least 5-6 town players.

On June 17 2012 19:04 EchelonTee wrote:
Conclusion: talking about is currently not a good use of town's time, am I right?

On June 18 2012 02:27 BioSC wrote:
Is it just me, or did the bastard voting thread say "votes before and after the deadline don't count"? *Phoenix Wright Point* I spy a conundrum!

On June 18 2012 06:00 Acrofales wrote:


Took me a while, but I found this post again. Can you explain a bit more what you meant with this?

My role pm pretty much rules the "everybody loses if person X dies" scenario out, but the rest resonates well with my role pm.

On June 18 2012 06:32 Acrofales wrote:
I don't know who I want to kill yet. So far I have a whole clump of scummy people and a number of people I think are town. That number is currently stuck at 1 1/2.

@Deconduo: how does your setup make sense with people, including myself, having a regular town win condition?

@Talismania: I guess you are claiming you did not get hit and have not been made king?

On June 18 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
deconduo, what do you think about KB and MajuGarzett?

SO. I'm back.

Yesterday, I basically did a huge derp and didn't think about the consequences of joining House Chezinu. I did this not once, but on three different occasions. I realise this makes me look really scummy, so I'm going to explain again my whole train of thought why I did what I did.
I never considered the House to be made up by HiroPro although in hindsight it seems kinda obvious the mods wouldn't have made a faction that hard to balance.

I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town

On June 19 2012 06:53 EchelonTee wrote:
!! deconduo about to do something

On June 19 2012 06:59 talismania wrote:



I'm nervous - is that going to do something?

I am a dayvig. I am going to shoot within the next five hours. If I don't, I will be lynched.

On June 19 2012 07:01 talismania wrote:
I'm town - I've already claimed that. I don't know what your alignment is and I certainly don't lean town on you at the moment.

Do you want to get shot right now? What are you trying to do?

I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town

On June 19 2012 07:07 Drazerk wrote:
Dec is town alligned DT scanner thing
I am town
Drazerk is town

On June 19 2012 07:10 Drazerk wrote:
The first priority for townies should be to establish their own innocence by playing pro-town

I disagree the first priority should be to promote discussion and find scum who cares if people think you are town

On June 19 2012 07:11 Drazerk wrote:
Deconduo is town
Drazerk is town
Talismania is not town

On June 19 2012 07:16 Drazerk wrote:


You're aware I haven't read my role PM right?

On June 19 2012 07:18 talismania wrote:


If that's the case then why the hell did it need to be in a specific format? You could have just picked the first post where I claimed to be day vig and done it. Or picked anyone's post for that matter.

On June 19 2012 07:28 Drazerk wrote:
lol sniped

On June 19 2012 07:32 Acrofales wrote:
That was the dumbest use of a really awesome power I ever saw. We learned exactly nothing there, because I believe Talismania is town.

On June 19 2012 07:40 Acrofales wrote:

I missed that. Okay, that means we learned even LESS than I thought from that pointless exercise in futility.

On June 19 2012 07:56 talismania wrote:
Ok fine let's move on.

Deconduo, who should I shoot?

On June 20 2012 02:59 KharadBanar wrote:
##Unvote: DropBear
##Vote: KharadBanar
Hello Nisani

On June 20 2012 04:33 Drazerk wrote:
Everyone in England hates the English football team.

I was rooting for Ireland >.>

On June 20 2012 04:48 Acrofales wrote:

No... I think he expected Nisani to die from DropBear's claimed vengeful crap (which I still think is bogus).

On June 20 2012 04:49 talismania wrote:
My role says that "some" of the people who know about the MA want him dead, which suggests to me that there are multiple AMAs.

On June 21 2012 21:36 Acrofales wrote:
Come on, the rest of you Europeans. Wake up!

Looking at Drazerk, deconduo and xsksksc here.

On June 21 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:

You could comment on stuff. What do you think of the plan to mass claim? What do you think of xksksksksc's cop claim? Is Hyaach town?

For instance, that's just 3 questions that popped into my head for you. I'm sure you have plenty more to say.

On June 22 2012 04:36 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright then.

I am the Monarchist Activist.

Surprise!

On June 23 2012 07:16 talismania wrote:
hyaach claimed town roleblocker, not 3P

acrofales is too much of a stretch. He asked me to shoot maju and dropbear. And he's been incredibly protown. And everything

On June 24 2012 18:38 xsksc wrote:

Oh. So I'm an idiot as well as scum now, that's good to hear. I really wish I had put the same ammount of thought into using my ability as you did, lol.

Seriously though, how can you think I'm scum when it'd just be playing against my wincon to claim DT and return an anti-town result on a townie AND not shoot.
That reduces my chance of winning to 0, because I would die right after Hyaach flips.
What the fuck would possibly motivate me to do all that? I don't get towncred unless he actually flips anti-town, and I miss a night's KP for absolutely zero gain. By faking the anti-town result, I sign a death sentence, and for what?

On June 19 2012 03:53 Hyaach wrote:
Should have refreshed.

I played TL LV too.
If you read Maju's filter there, its almost the same as what he did here and he turned out scum in that game.

The downside I see to Maju's question this game is his lack of stance on House Chezinu. He asked some legitimate questions but lack on a firm stance.
That and he needs to get in and post soon or did he get pressured into lurking which ET could strongly claim fits Maju's scum meta in LV too.

But ET, meta could only get you so far, while i agree with you on Maju, I have no idea on the metas of the other players here and am lazy to read their previous game.

Bottomline, start finding solid case from post in here.

On June 19 2012 04:11 Hyaach wrote:
I think Maju really needs to get his ass in here.
Too much similarity to TL LV.

On June 27 2012 03:28 Acrofales wrote:

I don't want to go after SnB. I want to go after you.

On June 27 2012 04:19 Drazerk wrote:
how did I miss that post 0.0

On June 27 2012 14:44 xsksc wrote:
My check last night was RBed - that goes without saying though.
##vote Hyaach
deconduo, don't be an asshole.
Vote me if you think I'm more likely to flip scum, don't do it to be fucking awkward.

On June 27 2012 16:27 xsksc wrote:

There now, that wasn't too hard. Doesn't it sound a whole lot better than this?

On June 28 2012 00:35 Acrofales wrote:
Deconduo, I still want to hear from you:

What does the former have to do with the latter? You think a roleblocker is more use than a DT?
Also, (I repeat from above):
lynching Hyaach gives us more information about the alignment of xsksc than lynching xsksc gives of Hyaach's alignment. If we're going to be stuck in lylo with one of them I'd rather it's xsksc.

So once again, how is lynching Hyaach more dangerous than lynching xsksc?

On June 27 2012 17:58 Acrofales wrote:

Let me nip this in the bud. How does your mind work. If xsksc is town then I am scum for pushing a lynch OFF him and onto a claimed 3rd party. Wait WHAT? Lets rewind that:

xsksc is town
Acro pushes the lynch from a townie to a 3rd party
Acro must be scum

This is the most upside down, inside out, back to front reasoning in this thread so far. However, that's okay, because scum is allowed to do that (and then they get lynched for it). Here is you earlier:


Enter Talismania, who was the only one I trusted to make sense in this thread (Hiro makes sense, but is 3rd party. Drazerk is town, but doesn't make sense), who told you to read my filter. Instant 180º flip!


What has happened since then is that I have pushed a lynch on 3rd party for rather valid reasons. I was doubting the xsksc/Hyaach lynch (and still am, but recognize that at least one of them has to die before lylo) and started thinking about the lynch and alternatives to it. If I had thought things through about your claim earlier, I would probably have gone straight to you, but as it was, I figured we had two more lynches left before mylo. If we lynched a 3rd party, it would be lylo instead of mylo, but other than that nothing would change. The rest is explained multiple times in the thread.

However, lets go back to you. You want to lynch xsksc, because lynching a roleblocker is dangerous (despite the fact that it is doubtful that a roleblocker can stop KP: that only works if the scum is vanilla). I would argue that it's the other way round: you're scum and NOT lynching a DT is dangerous, especially if Hyaach is in fact a miller (information scum has, because they know xsksc and Hyaach are both town). Lynching Hyaach tells us for 100% sure whether xsksc was lying and is therefore scum. Lynching xsksc and him flipping town means Hyaach could still be a miller rather than scum, forcing a Hyaach lynch tomorrow and allowing scum-deconduo to get away scot free.

However, lynching Hyaach puts actual scum in a difficult spot. You are forced to kill the DT, because Hyaach flipping miller will make his claim believable (scum could not know he was a miller, just that he was town. It would be an extremely lucky lie and Ockham's razor rules it out). However, you don't want to kill xsksc the DT, because he is who you want to hedge your lylo against: having to lylo with Drazerk and me means you're dead.