Understand when I reread you, I was looking for weird behavior surrounding VE and MZ. I found some, but i realize that it would have made far more sense for you to keep pushing VE into day 2, as opposed to acting the way you did.
Why were you looking for weird behavior around VE and MZ? Do you find that scum act weird towards townies? Not sure I follow that line of reasoning.
I mean behavior that makes sense if that player knows VE and MZ to be confirmed town.
On June 11 2012 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: In any case, I am very worried about Ace after rereading. Particularly his post asking for caoser to respond to something someone else said without providing us anything, as well as saying he is down for an RNG lynch and then disappearing without again, giving us anything.
##Vote: Ace
That's not a scumtell. What makes you think Ace is scum because of this? Take note that I'm not saying he's town, I'm just saying that this particular argument tells us nothing about his alignment.
Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.
I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position.
Anyway, enough about how to play mafia.
@BrownBear, The information I withheld is crucial to the execution of the plan, as I explained above. You seem to be going after a pretty easy reason to lynch someone, is this because you're being lazy or cause you're scum?
On June 12 2012 07:59 Palmar wrote: I don't think Hes is scum.
On June 12 2012 08:00 Palmar wrote: how is the timing relevant, also there's one more hour until the deadline?
I was just pointing out in response to your idea of lynching hesmyrr, that I don't think he's scum. BB and Meapak are good lynches.
On June 13 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Enlighten me now that it's day Palmar. Why is Radfield doubly confirmed?
read post above. I think it's very unlikely Rad is scum.
btw, I noticed I actually forgot about Hesmyrr in my night post... that's not good for him.
On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Just because people mentioned it, my stance on Radfield has changed.
I'm not 100% certain he's scum, but he's looking really bad. Anyone with half a brain would see VE is town now, and Radfield has at least three quarters of a brain.
I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game.
I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either.
I'll make the case on gonzaw when I have time today, I was hoping people would just bandwagon me, but alas...
Palmar does seem to act way too confident about Ace and Hes being town without any reason at all.
The first person I'd want to kill would be prplhz. Now, I just went back and read through all of Rad/BB/Palmar, and between those three Palmar definitely looks the worst to me right now. I feel better about BB than I did. Rad still looks a little off, but not really in a mafia way; he might be a good target for SK hunting later. Palmar looks the worst to me, the reason being basically this:
He's been changing his scum meta recently from being just useless from Day 1 on to trying to act like himself for a while. I'm leaning slightly towards town now, but if he starts not pushing any cases or doing anything useful, it means he's scum.
Palmar's very transparent when he's town, and because he's good at asserting he's town, he can get people to follow him very quickly and that helps him lynch scum. However, that also works against him when he's scum because sure he can mimic how he acts normally, but he doesn't appear sincere or just doesn't hunt/kill scum. Right now Palmar has done absolutely nothing in the game, so that makes him very likely to be scum, because it isn't like he's just been inactive all game or something that would give him an excuse. Instead, he's been around but has been willfully not contributing or hunting scum. I was willing to give him a chance on Day 2 with the gonzaw thing to see if it was some kind of ploy, but he hasn't improved substantially since then.
So, GreY, my answer is prplhz, followed by Palmar. After we kill those two, we can go SK hunting.
On June 17 2012 05:53 gonzaw wrote: Well this is boring.
Wiggles, what makes you feel better about BB than you did?
I included BB in the list of three names through the process of elimination and because I just hadn't read him very closely. After going through his filter, I don't feel like he's mafia. He's been pretty open and direct about what he's thinking and who his scum reads are, which makes me feel good. He's also making sense and not misdirecting. Overall, I don't get many scum-vibes from him compared to Palmar, and I don't feel weird about him like Rad either.
On June 17 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote: I'm up to date on the thread now but my head is spinning. Ask me anything. I kind of want to kill Radfield/Brownbear and subsequently gonzaw.
What makes you suspicious of gonzaw? Or Me/BB for that matter.
Do you think Palmar is mafia?
Don't really want to talk about gonzaw. I'm probably just getting the same 3rd party vibes off of him that everybody else is getting too.
I want to lynch you because you are still alive. I don't see why scum would shoot Ace and VisceraEyes over you. You can't really do much to defend yourself here and I guess that sucks (for both of us).
BrownBear had his weird emotional outburst against Palmar that seemed rather townie but then he didn't do much else which seems less towny.
Like, gonzaw just did two huge posts on Palmar. One of them says that Palmar is scum because he is too confident in himself, lol have you never played with Palmar before?
Anyway, then in his next post he's like "We can lynch prplhz, whatever". At the same time, when I ask for help after having replaced into the middle of a game and expressing my insecurities about playing with you lot, he doesn't seem interested at all. He doesn't appear to want to help me get started or anything. GreYMisT thinks I'm scum but he's been pushing me for something at least. gonzaw doesn't look like he cares and for absolutely no reason. It looks to me like he's just doing whatever this game and that seems 3rd partyish to me. 8 page filter and then I still don't get the feeling that he actually cares about town this game.
Do YOU care about town prplhz? There have been cases and votes against Palmar, but you don't even comment on it. We are at LYLO, if Palmar is town then we will surely lose...you don't care about that?
You said you were up to date with the thread.....so? Do you plan on doing anything? You just replaced into LYLO, you can be a fresh mind with new ides to get town to win this game...yet you just stay back, say "Yeah ask me questions", and ignore everything else?
Not only that, you think I'm SK (for shitty reasons), and focus your attention on it...when we actually need to lynch scum? Why don't you focus your attention on catching scum then?
Never wrote that though, I said that you didn't care about town. Maybe it came out wrong and maybe it's a little harsh if you're actually town. I wrote something more concrete too, after 2 mislynches you seem awfully cheery and carefree and confident you have not only one, but two scum reads right now. I think a player of your caliber should know that you focus on one scum at a time. If only one of me and Palmar is scum then we lose this game because you're not pushing your biggest read and just saying "whatever".
GreYMisT is doing this too I think but I don't think he's scum right now.
I personally don't have that much invested in this game but I still just want to see Radfield hang for not being dead yet. We can focus on the second scum tomorrow.
I don't think that Palmar is scum no. It's mostly his demeanor and I'm probably shit at that but I think that he seems townie enough for now. Your case is a little far fetched with the "How is he so confident?!". I didn't read it all too hard 'cause you were all yelling at me to write something in this thread and I didn't think that Palmar was scum so now I'm here.
If you think I'm going to replace in and carry this game then you're crazy. Not only do I suck compared to most of you, I also replaced in mid way which is kind of hard to do. The rest of you have several days on me. I'm here and I'm giving you my opinion and that's really what I'm going to be doing for at least today. inb4 "l0L he r maek xcuze 4 not p0st".
Your filter is just so fucking huge, 8 pages that's 20% of this game. And it feels like you're all over the place, pointing at someone and then pointing at someone else and not really caring who gets lynched (right now of Palmar and me but I think this has been a general trait of yours in this game).
When was I not focusing on one scum at a time? My vote is still on Palmar and my case against him still stands.
I think you are likely SK, because chaoser didn't seem to act like scum (at least like how he acted in Liar Game), but he didn't seem to care about town that much either. I wouldn't mind a lynch on you since it wouldn't be a misslynch, and there's a chance I'm wrong and you are actually scum with Palmar.
Also, you say you want Radfield dead for still being alive, then answer me these questions:
1)If Radfield is being alive this long, how do you distinguish a scum Radfield from a town Radfield that can be pushed as a misslynch and is in the wrong track? 2)Radfield was alive in this game for a pretty long time, and actually wasn't killed on the 1st 2 nights (like in this game). Do you think his play here is different like that one? Do you think something similar may or may not have happened in this game? 3)So...what else makes Radfield scum? I've already showed you a game where Radfield was alive for a long time as town, therefore the "Radfield is alive by D3->He's scum" theory doesn't apply; you need to come up with something else.
Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game. Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum. I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO.
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