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Coaching welcome if allowed, but not sure if that breaks the no PM rule. Is it allowed to meet players of the same alignment in webchats? | ||
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Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:51 s0Lstice wrote: sciberbia, I think judging from the reactions you might want to post your full reasoning. Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for? As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. | ||
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I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. On May 31 2012 07:59 Miltonkram wrote: With all that said, sciberbia has awakened my suspicions. He spends a lot of time with his first post promoting a no lynch. Notice that he weakly pushes his assumption that a no-lynch might be optimal so that he can back down from that assumption later without too much fuss. I think he knows that lynching is the best play, but he wants to divide town into discussing policy instead of actively scumhunting. Thoughts town? Sciberbia is the most active poster so far, also he's not promoting a NL, he's questioning day1 lynch. Whatever, I'm pretty sure he's clean, no mafia would go for the first post in a newbie game. That said, I'm pretty sure Miltonkram is one of us aswell, although I think he makes a mistake pointing the finger at one of the most active in here. O.Golden_ne posted nicely already aswell. As for solstice, i'm not sure. His first post reflect a certain indecision whispering: 'Do whatever you want, I'm in for it.' Then he points the finger at the most active player. I won't say you're scummy, but you aren't clean yet in my book as opposed to the others.Why do you question our most active townie. Ange777's post makes him look like he's bandwagoning if you look at the majority of the pro-lynch responses before.A pretty thin post. Still, all of those don't stink scummy until we get information from people who didn't post already. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Cattivik Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you. Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him. ##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote: Let's have a look at Cattivik. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote: Giovanni Falcone reporting in. Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote: Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for? As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here though Obviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote: He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram). He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority. Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote: Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work.... Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway. However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise. Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation. In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch. This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway. Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far: Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie. If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority. However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum. Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you. Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe. Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote: Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 21:05 Superouman wrote: I am totally not making fun of anything here, i'm just ready to kick some mafia butt. And considering your lynch logic, what if all the mafia already talked, you would just kill townies and make mafia's life easier. I wasn't all that serious about the marked part, just a bit of roleplay  Back to the topic: By my lynch logic I want to hear something useful from the lurkers. Since you don't know what to say, you're still a lurker. No target set, no analysis. If you look at the posts, who would you want to lynch? If all the mafia already talked, we might lose townies who don't know what to say or assert. An acceptable loss in light of the information retrieved. No offense. On May 31 2012 21:13 Eishi_Ki wrote: What would you like to know about my thought processes? I can't tell you how my brains works, only that I analyse details at face value and then have a lot of time to think about them further. I noted initially that you were trying to sell that you were a Townie without saying so outright. Oh, you can tell me what you thought. This argument of yours makes you appear even more scummy. Why? It's selective! Did you read Heists' post?It's even more recent than mine, he uses the collective form more times than me, yet you say i'm suspicious. Either you were sloppy, or you are scum trying to let me look suspicious, in latter case: Does that mean I was on the right track?Or that Heist is scum aswell? Before going on, I'll quote Heist: On May 31 2012 09:34 heist wrote: Sciberbia, you wanted our opinion on the matter of a NL Day 1.... I strongly,strongly disagree with a NL. The issue isn't with the unknown setup. It doesn't matter. No matter what the setup is, we should always go through with a Day 1 lynch. The flaw with your logic is that the lynches are not pure probability. We are not condemning some poor soul to death from a name in a hat. It is based on people's reactions to pressure, contradictions, activity level, and other information generated by discussion. When someone dies, most of us should be feeling comfortable with it. If anything, the purpose of a Day 1 lynch is not some slim chance of lynching mafia, but for information. Information we can use to lead the course of Day 2 and onward. In your scenario, every lynch is an isolated incident. The lynches of each day are not independent. The outcome of a Day 1 lynch WILL affect the outcome of the Day 2 lynch, and only for the better because of all us will have a clearer picture of the situation. --- In other news: I wanted to suggest a few things to town that you may or may not find useful: 1. DO NOT claim you are a vanilla townie. We won't believe you AND you should be glad to die in place of a blue. We don't want to limit the pool of possible blues. 2. Attention DT (if we have one) - Let's say you get a lucky check on scum. Do not reveal yourself day 2. Do not come screaming into the thread with your pants still at your feet. You are not guaranteed a medic. Breadcrumb your result. Look at their behavior and create an accusation. Anything is better than a reveal. 3. This is a newbie game. Most people don't know what to do as a blue role. Pretend you don't have it. Seriously, most people with a blue role are afraid to stick their head out and, as a result, are often mistaken for scum. We don't want to hang you so please don't give us a reason. Be active. 4. Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation. --- @Cattivik "Sciberbia is the most active poster so far, also he's not promoting a NL, he's questioning day1 lynch. Whatever, I'm pretty sure he's clean, no mafia would go for the first post in a newbie game." That defense is borderline scummy. There is nothing that mafia won't do. Do not assume he's clean because he's the first post in a newbie game. Obviously this is only your first impression, but your reasoning is a little off here. Yes, i never supported a NL, but aknocwledged sciberbias point I suggest that you keep the discussion to yourself, you talk a lot about me, not about the accusations towards you. If you admit you are scum now, you may choose the way you get lynched, Eishi_Ki, like being drowned in single malt whisky to have a last taste of your country. I'll keep the vote locked in. | ||
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On May 31 2012 21:13 Eishi_Ki wrote: I also noted you agreed with Sciberbia (or at least acknowledged his line of thought) on the issue of policy but still did not sway your recommendation. Just observations Forgot to add this between last quotation and last statement, which doesn't concern heist, but still Eishi_Ki. Also, I wouldn't call this a duel. Eishi_ki expressed his opinion in light of two other posts against me, however with a selective argument he used to blend in. I don't accuse everyone who accuses me without proper reasons, by that logic i would have accused others before Eishi_Ki. | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:36 s0Lstice wrote: You decided to vote for him based on the fact that his schedule means he can't be around during lynch time, and him wondering if it's a good thing that he isn't around during that time. You mean his joke?Yes, I didn't get the joke. My main points (which I wonder you don't know, cause they were at the beginning of my argumentation against him) are that he just started posting after two accusations were out, with the claim of me talking of 'us' townies with the purpose of making myself sound as if I were one, while heist, a few posts above, does exactly the same thing I did. So Eishi_Ki bandwagoned with a very weak claim, a very small post and no pressure to post in the future cause of his schedule. Also, notice how once confronted with his weak claim he suddenly accuses three other people but not me anymore. He must have noticed that his claim is really weak and is now dodging the accusations. He also denied a statement concerning the weak claim instead asking what the accusation is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=8#143 I think there is not enough information on unforgiven, except for a nonexistent post analysis. He gave general tips so far, then he agreed with statements from other players without questioning them and without posting something concrete. I'll stick to my opinion regarding sciberbia and Eishi_Ki. In case I won't have a majority on Eishi_Ki, I'll try to help achieve the majority on the case i believe is most correct in order to get a Day 1 lynch 100%. | ||
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Anyway, suki wanted some opinions on other players, so I'll put sciberbia and Eishi_Ki aside. Alright, where should I start. Let's start with you, suki: You have 5 substantial posts so far, excluding those answering game related questions or correcting formal mistakes. Your first stance was expressed after Miltons' vote against sciberbia. You believe sciberbia to have posted in the towns' interest. So do I, that's why I defend him.And the argument of mafia not posting first in a newbie game doesn't seem wrong to me. You seem to support cases especially against unforgiven_ve, then Milton, then Eishi, then me. Frankly, I don't think you are mafia. On to s0lstice: Very focused on unforgiven_ve, but also very eager to get opinions and wake up the lurkers. Rather than focusing on the exposed ones, he's getting the guys behind first, without doubt he's working pro-town and not afraid to defend people who he believes are townies, in this case me. The first post didn't look decise, but everything following convinced me of your town alignment. Xatalos: First trying to get the lurkers, now he's pushing the case against unforgiven_ve along with s0lstice. Not seen too much of a hard stance except for the one on unforgiven yet. But I'm pretty sure you are townie aswell. Miltonkram: He suspected sciberbia before understanding his point of view and apologized accordingly, suki found that apology a little suspicious, I don't. I think it's strange you have a scumread about me trying to buddy up with someone. I immediately dismissed the NL option in the s0lstice case.Doesn't exactly support his post. Still, I believe you are townie. O.golden_ne: Not sure why he's pushing the case against me so hard, then suspects Xatalos for defending me. Then he defends Eishi_ki against my accusations, saying he contributes more than me to the discussion. Actually, Eishi_ki started posting suspects after this post. Eishi's only claim before this post was that I am suspicious cause I spoke of 'we', the town. I think it's a really weak defense of Eishi and a weak case against me. More to my defense further down in the post. I do like that you also suspect the lurkers though. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. heist: One of the things I notice is that you didn't acknowledge my defence so far. You also didn't post a definite opinion in form of a vote or FoS. You gave general hints at the start. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. Superouman: The only thing you said which could haunt you as mafia later in the game is this: On June 01 2012 00:57 Superouman wrote: This, i don't understand why he could be a "confirmed" townie, even the most townie-looking person can be toying with us The rest reflects a strong indecision. In one of his posts, he says he doesn't want to judge only based on assumptions. While such a Day1 attitude doesn't produce anything useful, he could just be making the mistakes of a noob townie. Cause of the neutrality of his posts I might vote for him in absence of another strong case. I believe Superouman to be scum or not confident enough. He just voted for sciberbia out of nowhere, whatever. Unforgiven_ve No cases, basically a resume of what has been posted so far. He might have felt the urge to post something positive cause he missed the timing when all the reccommendations were posted, or he might just try to blend in with the majority. There is a fairly strong case against him, although people have been accusing him fast. It might also just be a misunderstanding cause of the different languages, but we can't go for charity in this game, that's why I also suspect you of being scum. Ange777: Permanent lurker. He promised he would contribute something soon. If it's not enough, I will vote for him first and unvote Eishi_Ki. Alright, now to my next defense: I'm one of the most, if not the most active poster in this game so far. Assuming that I survive this day or night while being mafia, my posts make me so transparent that I wouldn't survive day 2 for certain. In that case, I would have played mafia like an idiot. Also cause I'm exposing myself quite extremely. Whoever should be proven wrong for promoting the case against me in case I get lynched will most likely get in trouble the next day, cause I will flip town. The first to fall should be the lurkers. Killing me would also provide a nice bunch of information about peoples' motives for pushing against me, but naturally, I would like to avoid that. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:34 heist wrote: @ Sciberbia There is no reason that one townie should be that sure of another townie, Day 1 especially. For me, there is absolutely no one that I'm so convinced of as Cattivik seems to be. So any attempt to deflect every single accusation on a fellow player is of course highly suspicious on my mind. Mafia tend to find it much safer to create a stance defending someone rather than accusing someone. Fewer repercussions. It suggests to me an ulterior motive. And now he's starting to suggest that any indication of his scumminess needs to be disregarded precisely because he defends you to such an extent. It's convenient and not out of the realm of mafia possibilities. He is simply my most suspicious player especially since the alternatives are not very convincing at this point. Townies not being sure of each other is ideal for mafia, it doesn't limit the pool of suspects, which is actually what I'm trying to do and you are disrupting. When we lynch with no read and maximum pool of suspects, we shoot fish in a barrel. When we limit the pool of suspects, the barrel gets smaller, the fishes might get louder. You might aswell say, we don't know anything except for me defending people who i believe are townies, which is incomplete, I have already pushed my case against Eishi_Ki but will obviously have to focus on other cases since I won't find a majority for that one in day 1. I create my stances in all possible ways on restricted cases, that's how a townie should play. Mafia creates stances maybe even defending townies when it's possible for them to blend in while doing so (notice how I am actually the first guy supporting sciberbia?). It also causes A LOT of repercussions for me, as opposed to your generalized argument. Also, when mafia gives advice, they will try to not adress problems in the thread, but try to give more generic advice everyone probably knows already. That also helps them blend in without creating vulnerable points for later. With all that said, heist, you're either badly informed about the game or scum. Pick one. Also, start voting for a lynch if you think I'm mafia. Town won't like you for being opportunistic and go for votes you didn't push by yourself, that allows for jumping on the most convenient bandwagon. | ||
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I'll first tell you who I'm going to vote for now: Ange777. He hasn't been contributing anything whatsoever, and while I think that sciberbias posting on suki was quite good, so was his defense. Right now there are a lot of votes for a lot of different people. The weirdest one coming from superouman, no explanation whatsoever. If there's a majority the town can get without fear of hitting blue, it's Ange777. It's a day 1 with lots of information from almost everybody with exception of him, and I can say for sure that this day 1 has been a fingerpointing match like it shouldn't have been for a good town. Let's at least try to finish it with something we have an agreement on: Like most of us stated, the lurkers should get lynched first unless we already have strong scumreads. And if this guy is mafia, he doesn't have to contribute anything as of now to remain unharmed. Now to Eishi_Ki: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 14:38 Eishi_Ki wrote: I think he made a couple of posts promoting a town leader (which imo is a bad idea), I see no lack of conversation, therefore, no need to 'get the ball rolling' as you put it. The ball is already in motion. He then went away for a while, came back and saw a lot of people becoming suspicious of him and he panicked, dropped the idea of town leader very quickly but continued to remind everyone not to judge on past games to which no one so far has mentioned or even brought up in conversation. Probable mafia. And here we go for my REVENGE post (huehue) After dropping the subject of Vivax because there wasn't a lot to talk about, I now feel I have more substantial points. First off + Show Spoiler + Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote: Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki Straight up calls me out for no concise reason + Show Spoiler + Yes, i never supported a NL, but aknocwledged sciberbias point I suggest that you keep the discussion to yourself, you talk a lot about me, not about the accusations towards you. If you admit you are scum now, you may choose the way you get lynched, Eishi_Ki, like being drowned in single malt whisky to have a last taste of your country. I'll keep the vote locked in. Continues on the warpath with no sway in opinion whatsoever. Next post, after my rebuttal, he continues to press the issue. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 02:07 Vivax wrote: You mean his joke?Yes, I didn't get the joke. My main points (which I wonder you don't know, cause they were at the beginning of my argumentation against him) are that he just started posting after two accusations were out, with the claim of me talking of 'us' townies with the purpose of making myself sound as if I were one, while heist, a few posts above, does exactly the same thing I did. So Eishi_Ki bandwagoned with a very weak claim, a very small post and no pressure to post in the future cause of his schedule. Also, notice how once confronted with his weak claim he suddenly accuses three other people but not me anymore. He must have noticed that his claim is really weak and is now dodging the accusations. He also denied a statement concerning the weak claim instead asking what the accusation is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=8#143 I think there is not enough information on unforgiven, except for a nonexistent post analysis. He gave general tips so far, then he agreed with statements from other players without questioning them and without posting something concrete. I'll stick to my opinion regarding sciberbia and Eishi_Ki. In case I won't have a majority on Eishi_Ki, I'll try to help achieve the majority on the case i believe is most correct in order to get a Day 1 lynch 100%. And up to this point I STILL don't know what I was accused of. I never asserted that I was accusing you, only that I was suspicious. What do you want, a full accusation after you post a couple of times? I felt the need to contribute, and I did. Yes my points were weak but I frankly don't know anything about D1 vs D2 lynch so I opted out of saying anything in that regard. Plus, it was a dead horse. Finally, since that point, I have said nothing regarding Vivax to sway or dissuade him (sleeping and working). But from going from a vehement hyper aggressive vote for myself to this.... + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 05:51 Vivax wrote: Cattivik here, I just had my name changed <_< , hope noone gets confused. Anyway, suki wanted some opinions on other players, so I'll put sciberbia and Eishi_Ki aside. Alright, where should I start. Let's start with you, suki: You have 5 substantial posts so far, excluding those answering game related questions or correcting formal mistakes. Your first stance was expressed after Miltons' vote against sciberbia. You believe sciberbia to have posted in the towns' interest. So do I, that's why I defend him.And the argument of mafia not posting first in a newbie game doesn't seem wrong to me. You seem to support cases especially against unforgiven_ve, then Milton, then Eishi, then me. Frankly, I don't think you are mafia. On to s0lstice: Very focused on unforgiven_ve, but also very eager to get opinions and wake up the lurkers. Rather than focusing on the exposed ones, he's getting the guys behind first, without doubt he's working pro-town and not afraid to defend people who he believes are townies, in this case me. The first post didn't look decise, but everything following convinced me of your town alignment. Xatalos: First trying to get the lurkers, now he's pushing the case against unforgiven_ve along with s0lstice. Not seen too much of a hard stance except for the one on unforgiven yet. But I'm pretty sure you are townie aswell. Miltonkram: He suspected sciberbia before understanding his point of view and apologized accordingly, suki found that apology a little suspicious, I don't. I think it's strange you have a scumread about me trying to buddy up with someone. I immediately dismissed the NL option in the s0lstice case.Doesn't exactly support his post. Still, I believe you are townie. O.golden_ne: Not sure why he's pushing the case against me so hard, then suspects Xatalos for defending me. Then he defends Eishi_ki against my accusations, saying he contributes more than me to the discussion. Actually, Eishi_ki started posting suspects after this post. Eishi's only claim before this post was that I am suspicious cause I spoke of 'we', the town. I think it's a really weak defense of Eishi and a weak case against me. More to my defense further down in the post. I do like that you also suspect the lurkers though. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. heist: One of the things I notice is that you didn't acknowledge my defence so far. You also didn't post a definite opinion in form of a vote or FoS. You gave general hints at the start. I can't tell if you are mafia or town. Superouman: The only thing you said which could haunt you as mafia later in the game is this: The rest reflects a strong indecision. In one of his posts, he says he doesn't want to judge only based on assumptions. While such a Day1 attitude doesn't produce anything useful, he could just be making the mistakes of a noob townie. Cause of the neutrality of his posts I might vote for him in absence of another strong case. I believe Superouman to be scum or not confident enough. He just voted for sciberbia out of nowhere, whatever. Unforgiven_ve No cases, basically a resume of what has been posted so far. He might have felt the urge to post something positive cause he missed the timing when all the reccommendations were posted, or he might just try to blend in with the majority. There is a fairly strong case against him, although people have been accusing him fast. It might also just be a misunderstanding cause of the different languages, but we can't go for charity in this game, that's why I also suspect you of being scum. Ange777: Permanent lurker. He promised he would contribute something soon. If it's not enough, I will vote for him first and unvote Eishi_Ki. Alright, now to my next defense: I'm one of the most, if not the most active poster in this game so far. Assuming that I survive this day or night while being mafia, my posts make me so transparent that I wouldn't survive day 2 for certain. In that case, I would have played mafia like an idiot. Also cause I'm exposing myself quite extremely. Whoever should be proven wrong for promoting the case against me in case I get lynched will most likely get in trouble the next day, cause I will flip town. The first to fall should be the lurkers. Killing me would also provide a nice bunch of information about peoples' motives for pushing against me, but naturally, I would like to avoid that. ...does seem highly suspicious. I haven't attempted to change your mind on your vote, so why the weak knees and change of heart to calling out a lurker? Was it everyone else basically telling you your argument was moot and that my responses were adequate? In either case, I had you fingered from the start and my suspicions were not waived despite moving onto other subjects. Here be mafia. I'm also calling out Superouman, I have tried several times and attempted to encourage you to contribute more. Enough's enough though, I believe you are mafia and are using the newb excuse to sway opinion. I'm not buying it. I'm not going to vote just yet, a response from Vivax will make my decision. Be back this evening. I'll try and stay awake as long as I can for the vote (might be drunk, who knows, fire friday and all) I'll stop giving accurate posts where i quote myself and others in chronological order, since some people don't seem to be able to read that information properly, else they wouldn't still be thinking I'm not town. So I'll keep the answers restricted to your post especially concerning the comments on the spoilers: Spoiler1: See spoiler3 Spoiler2: That was an answer to your accusation that I want a D1L while supporting sciberbias' idea of a NL, which you felt was contradictory. Spoiler3: What rebuttal of yours?post that too maybe. Anyway, the accusation is written in the spoiler: Jumping on the bandwagon with heist and Golden_ne with a really weak claim. The time schedule might be a reason for you to be less active, still it's something every good townie should be suspicious at first glance. Also, notice how you post -again- after the two of them posted already a claim against me. You seem to really like to show up together with them and ignoring other town matters to push the case against me. Spoiler4: This spoiler really makes me wonder if you're actually reading the thread. You should really do that. I'll read that for you, my post in the spoiler was an answer to suki, who wanted me to put your case aside and hear opinions about other players. That's what I've done, scummy?Hell no, one of the few times I can actually push the scumhunt cause I don't have to defend myself from feeble accusations. Anyway, even if my case on you might be wrong, it has pulled out so much information that you won't be able to not get pressured in case I die, along with some other folk. I'll conclude with my vote against the lurker: ##Unvote Eishi_Ki ##Vote Ange777 | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:38 s0Lstice wrote: Apropos to learning from last game, I can't help but feel that we should strongly consider lynching lurkers if any do appear. Of course it's a question of degrees...I just don't want to see another Mufaa/skware. I think it would be healthy for you to live by your principles, s0lstice. Ange777's degree of lurking is quite massive. | ||
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On June 02 2012 01:40 heist wrote: From Vivax, Vivax, you still have my suspicions but I promised you the benefit of the doubt for a more promising candidate. Every thing you've said can also be said about Superouman. You even call out Superouman's weird vote. I ask you, why Ange77 over Superouman? Superouman offered us reads with his strange behaviour. I really have no clue on that, but at least he posted some substantial things and voted, although with no apparent reason. And Ange777 promised something he didn't deliver. No reads, no votes, nothing. I've read his posts in other threads, and he seems to be more focused on those when he could have posted in this game at that time. Since you are supposed to favor a day 1 lynch, i suggest you put your vote on Ange777 to achieve that required majority. We have 5 votes so far, 2 more to go. The day 1 lynch is almost there, and i'd prefer if noone disrupted it now. | ||
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On June 02 2012 02:09 Ange777 wrote: Okay, as I am now officially unlurking myself and your only reason to vote for me is because of lurking I would like to ask you to take back your vote. Also, why is there no chance at all of hitting blue with me? I am NOT claiming blue right now ... I just don't know how you can ever be sure of that. Lol what kind of argument is that: 'I might be blue'. Sounds exactly like the type of argument someone without arguments would use, you can apply it on anyone who didn't let any 100 % obvious scumreads slip while lurking all the time. You had the chance to set your priorities between this mafia game and the others. But until the last hours, there were no votes against you, so you didn't feel the need to be more active in this one. Now that the guns are pointed at you, you come out swinging to defend yourself. In my opinion one has no choice but to lynch you. | ||
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Sciberbia, you summarized that I'm not sure about suki. I just went through sukis' filter, and I would STRONGLY consider him to be town. I see his defense as valid and his efforts as sincere, that said, the people pushing the case against him are either misleaded townies or mafia. And saying he's bandwagoning on Ange777's case is nonsense, he was among the first if not the first. I think we should keep pushing the case against Ange777, right now she's trying to undig cases on all possible people. I understand that there might be pressure cause of the limited time, but backing off from this target now puts the town at great danger of a No-Lynch. And frankly, who the hell would want to lynch the guy who contributed more so far (suki) as opposed to someone who comes last minute when the votes against her are out already. Stop getting soft and let's stick to the lurker lynching policy noone opposed to at the start. It's a real bad time for controversy. | ||
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On June 02 2012 05:02 Ange777 wrote: And Suki IS bandwagoning. He was the 5th player to vote for me, I can't see how this counts as "the first". You are right, I've mistaken miltons' post for sukis. Still doesn't change my opinion after reading his filter. Going for the lynch as opposed to a NL will always look like a bandwagon. In fact, when there aren't any decisive reads, there has to be a bandwagon. But better that than more confusion. I've also said heist shouldn't try to disrupt the voting process against you, should it be one vote away from a majority, cause then we will end up without information. That doesn't mean I will accuse him for bandwagoning just cause he's the last to vote. There are no proper scumreads in his posts, one of the most early scumreads is inactivity, by which you shined. I've already compared the times of your posts in the other games with those in this one, and you didn't feel pressured to post in this one when you did in the other. You've either set your priorities in a way that it will make you look suspicious, or you are scum. Then this case on suki, it's just perfect for you, the contribution you are giving us concerns mostly him, and you also vote for him. Since there is already a fair amount of people suspecting him, it's just natural you're gonna try to spin momentum away from your towards his case. Also, you post a lot of small posts effectively diluting the thread. Look, I'm suspicious to a bunch of people already, I am pushing the accusation against you. Then why do you just pick sukis' case cause it's the case where you could obtain a majority and not get lynched? Cause it's gonna be too hard for you to push a case on me, heist and Golden tried, now they're silent when it won't work. Who defended you?Heist. Guess what, his first line regarding you was: 'Let us hear something from you. No pressure.' He's going pretty soft on you despite being a lurker. | ||
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That said, if suki is gonna flip town, I really hope you will be able to recognize Ange777's motives behind her intention to push a case on him. If suki flips mafia, then I was clearly wrong and might end up in trouble for defending him. That would also prove Ange777 innocent and everyone supporting the vote first (not the ones joining in when it was obvious). However, do you notice how there's actually noone defending suki as of now except me?While there are a bunch of persons trying to deflect the attention from Ange777. Really, it's disgusting to see how people turn from the lurker to the poster in the arc of three hours, whereas the poster has been active all the time. And all of that happening in the last hours, making the outcome more uncertain, the mafia stronger. And frankly, even if Ange777 would turn out to be town, all this last hour confusion is thanks to her and the decision to play games when she can't be properly active in them. You don't join a game of starcraft to go afk while you play chess either, then to come back asking others for help when the enemy is in your base, blaming one of the guys who was playing actively. If you are town, you should be really aware of the bad impact you are having on this game. I would frankly still lynch you just for that. | ||
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To me, it looks like people go extra soft on her to whiteknight. You better pray suki is not gonna flip town, which i believe he will. ##unvote Ange777 ##vote suki Ready to vote for Ange777 again once there is the prospect of a majority. Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too. OH, and Ange777 is actually following that case while suspecting unforgiven at the same time. Why exactly would you suspect someone of being mafia if he was the first pushing the case against someone you believe is mafia? Looks like we have a scumtell. The damn deadline is getting close. | ||
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O.Golden_ne is acting scummy by not voting until the very last. Let's see how it ends and if he votes at all. Suki is dead, heist will vote for him. | ||
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On June 02 2012 06:25 Ange777 wrote: What exactly is your so-called scumtell? That I side with Unforgiven on the case against Suki? If you read correctly, I changed my opinion on Unforgiven after his recent posts and only after my case on Suki. I don't understand the problem. THIS IS A LIE, you still have a FoS on him in the last substantial post. Check the filter guys! And this last post about unforgiven: On June 02 2012 06:19 Ange777 wrote: I would consolidate on a Unforgiven lynch as I have posted my concerns about his recent play. Still I believe Suki to be more scummy. | ||
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I will keep scumhunting and ignore accusations against me day 2 simply because I might not be able to defend myself in the light of this event and I don't want to waste energy on it. My suspects against Ange777 were genuine. Her reads were without doubt better, and i got fooled by Sukis' postings. However, mafia stepping out to defend someone who has a majority against him isn't mafia. That's usually where the bussing starts. Feel free to call me a bloody noob. But think twice before thinking I'm mafia. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=8#155 I was part of his scum list after suspecting Eishi_Ki, he also deflected more of my attention from him in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=9#173 The irony, while being so wrong with Ange777, I might have been right on Eishi_Ki. He'll have a bad surprise when waking up in his 'schedule' hehe. | ||
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Anyway, in light of the events I'll drop the FoS bomb.You might have noticed I like direct accusations. FoS: Eishi_Ki , then Miltonkram. Stop suspecting heist, he was the first to defend Ange777 against my accusations and kept that stance throughout this whole last phase. He would have wanted her to get lynched if he was mafia. | ||
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He supported Ange777 and his vote on superouman was against the grain, but only until the majority on suki was possible. He could have easily blended in on the Ange777 bandwagon and try to get rid of a townie lurker becoming dangerous for the mafia in the last hours. However, when going further in the filter, something caught my eye: + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 06:05 heist wrote: Guys I want your opinion on Unforgiven's recent behavior. We only have about an hour and I will not allow a NL. I find the following suspicious: vivax, unforgiven_ve, superouman. I am comfortable with lynching any of them. Ange77 and Suki both read town to me, although if they are the majority, I am siding toward a Suki lynch. 6:05 suki reads town to him. + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 06:17 heist wrote: If it's blatantly rediculous, DO NOT DO IT. You are almost confident suki is town, why are you placing your vote on him??? We still have a bit of time, closer to an hour. Now it just looks like you are bussing. 12 minutes later, 'It looks like I am bussing'. Just saying, the choice of words kinda looks strange in light of the previous post, simply because you believe I am bussing when you don't believe he is mafia. Can't really call his post regarding ridiculousness of the vote a defense of suki cause he just comments on my actions, but I've already announced that I would not risk a NL. Also people seem to have forgotten about O.Golden_ne, he has been replaced, still his behaviour was more of a lurking one. We have to see if his replacement might end up being mafia. It's important to not forget about him and go through his filter, which I will do after this post. Anyway, my updated FoS: heist, Eishi_Ki for being defended by suki and targeting unforgiven, xatalos and me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=6#103 O.Golden_ne's filter mostly coincides with that of heist when it comes to changing and setting trends. To his defense, he didn't question my read regarding sciberbia=townie as much as suki and heist. Not so good: He acknowledged mafia first post is improbable, however he didn't produce any information regarding the matter by himself, he grappled onto miltonkram's opinion instead. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=8#142 I'm especially interested in his voting pattern in this post. He has 2 lurkers, me and unforgiven_ve while there's a bandwagon forming on him initially pushed by s0lstice and Xatalos, while now he's a confirmed townie. I've ignored the next two posts which were basically mudthrowing. Feel free to look em up. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=10#196 Quite decisive post, he tries the same maneuver as heist and wants to deflect attention from suki. You might think now, I've done that too. There is a difference between my behavior and that of heist and O.Golden: First of all, heist and O.Golden never say that suki might be town like I did. If that's not keeping one's head low, I don't know, they preferred to emphasize the importance of a lurker lynch instead of attacking the case on suki like I did, which would bite you in the ass later if you were mafia. It's just safer play for scum. You know my style, I'm posting a lot, I'm aggressive, I don't fear making mistakes when I'm completely sure of my case. Then I have been pushing the D1 lynch on Ange777 from the start, heist preferred to vote for another lurker (superouman)...And O.Golden_ne didn't vote at all. He still had plenty of time to vote, but he kept lurking until his party evening, while stirring suspicions against other players, never taking a hard stance. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298¤tpage=9#178 This is one of my analysis posts. Look how i resume that suki actually supported some of the pressure on Eishi_Ki, I forgot his stance on Eishi when lynch time came and got fooled into believing he's townie. This is his stance on Eishi_Ki: Eishi_Ki seems bandwagon-y in his first post. By the time he posts, Cattivik already has heist and golden posting their suspicions on him. He then calls out Milton for targetting sciberbia for... going against the grain? It doesn't seem to contribute anything. The rest of his posts are defending himself, and then he calls out me, Xatalos and Super. His insight on Xatalos is interesting... but I feel like Xatalos has been contributing his thoughts quite a bit in the thread and calling out people for scummy behaviour. In any case, I don't think Eishi is scum, but he hasn't contributed that much to the thread as of yet. With the last points I'm SURE that I've made another mistake when it comes to Eishi_Ki, the mafia didn't fear to deflect attention to him and Eishi_Ki also called out suki in the beginning, I think even before Unforgiven_ve. Eishi_Ki, excuse me for trying to prove you guilty so hard, but it also has good sides, we now know the remaining two mafia members: Heist & ShiaoPi replacing O.Golden_ne | ||
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On June 03 2012 07:00 Ange777 wrote: 3. TLDR I think Vivax is scum because: - His best argument in hunting scum has repeatedly been lurking=scum, active=town. Very flawed logic! Maybe to show that by his own standard and his own high activity he should be considered town? - He only made "safe" cases until now. Case against Eishi was easy to start, so was his case against me and now heist, Golden/ShiaoPi - When arguing with him about Suki, he never once talked about the content of Suki's post but always emphasized that my lurking play hurt town and therefore I should be lynched - Even without once explaining his Suki town read he defended Suki till the end and only switched when there was no chance of getting me lynched - Odd posts implying that one should not lynch him as he is townie (without being in danger), odd post of claiming I can't flip blue, a lot of flawed logic (two mafia can't vote each other), .... I know that right now it might look like I am tunneling Vivax but he IS my top scum read. There might be a 1% chance of him playing an awful awful town play but I just can't see it. If Vivax you seriously want to convince me of you being town, then please start defending yourself. (Good chance I missed something in my post as I was really crammed for time when typing this! Please bear that in mind and read Vivax' filter yourself!) Unforgiven's play still doesn't strike me as townie even though he sided with the right vote .... don't know what to do with that right now. And please don't forget the lurkers! Argument 1: Yes, I should have totally ignored the lurkers and let them lurk to not force them to post something which might give us reads on them, that's an awesome idea for early game town. The lurker lynching policy is general consensus here, as you might have noticed before your arrival. Now that pretty much everyone has posted something, you know that it's cause there are people favoring lurker lynches. Argument 2: Case against Eishi was the least supported case there has been so far, the only one stirring distrust against him was suki initially, but then he told me to put him and sciberbia aside to talk about other players. Suki kept pushing cases against me more heavily than against Eishi_Ki. The case against you wasn't safe either. There are enough inconsistencies in your play, one of them being you suspecting unforgiven but supporting his case (I think Milton disagreed and mentioned that it might have been bussing by unforgiven_ve, but so early?No way. you said I should look at the times of the posts, I did that: + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 06:25 Ange777 wrote: What exactly is your so-called scumtell? That I side with Unforgiven on the case against Suki? If you read correctly, I changed my opinion on Unforgiven after his recent posts and only after my case on Suki. I don't understand the problem. On June 02 2012 06:19 Ange777 wrote: I would consolidate on a Unforgiven lynch as I have posted my concerns about his recent play. Still I believe Suki to be more scummy. On June 02 2012 06:16 Ange777 wrote: Would you mind explaining who is deflecting attention away from me? I think I made a pretty good case and took a clear stance in my gameplay, that is why people are switching their votes off of me and start voting Suki or Unforgiven. Yes, Suki was active for a far longer way than me but activity alone should not be a reason to not suspect someone or not lynch someone. You never discharged unforgiven, and that's where I saw the lie, especially given the close posting times contradicting themselves so clearly. Argument 3: Indeed, I wanted to lynch you for the sudden appearance throwing FoS at active townies after the votes on you started, and just then. You had the worst possible timing to appear, by your own choice to focus on the other game, you acknowledged the points that the behavior was bad for the town, so I don't see how the lynching shouldn't have been justified. Argument 4: What's suspicious about switching when I'm trying by all means to get a day1 lynch? I was last to vote before heist. This is an argument like argument 1, every townie here would have voted for suki to get the day 1 lynch, Eishi was afk, so was Golden, and suki just remained silent while I was unfortunately defending him already. tl dr ; At the moment you are blind to the scumreads that suki's death offers. You didn't even adress the two posts I've made about heists and golden based on sukis' stances in connection with them, and that together with the guy who just got killed. S0lstice was ready to push the case along with me, and he's the least suspected townie here. Why should I kill the guy who's gonna support me in the case on heist and formerly Golden, the case I'm pushing with strong reads? After a mafias' death, you first analyze their filter, then you might start attacking those who defended the dead mafia, and only bad mafia would defend their teammate directly (instead of deflecting to other players), the chain reaction after flipping mafia is obvious, so the defenders might be noob or misled townies like in my case. On the other hand, I think heist and the O.Golden replacement will be screwed once i flip town in case of a lynch. They will have one more kill at their disposal however. This is all I have to say in my defense, be aware that I will ignore more accusations and just answer them with more reads from scumhunting, who are especially focused on sukis' ties. | ||
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It's up to you to interprete my previous posts the right way, but if you don't see heist ignoring ShiaoPi and ShiaoPi defending heist, after s0lstice got killed upon suspecting heist, then go back and read my posts i wrote after his death. To be honest, I don't mind being lynched, cause then heist and ShiaoPi will be in serious trouble anyway, maybe Ange777 too, but considering 'her' first hit on suki (case against him started by Eishi_Ki and unforgiven_ve) town trusts her too much. Also think that heist and ShiaoPi are supporting a case of a trusted (i believe) townie, it's a pretty safe choice even for mafia. I think it's really misguided to focus on my posts when there is much more reliable information to get from sukis' posts, you look for mafiavibes from me when there are behaviors of a confirmed mafia towards other players at your disposal. Look especially at the triangle suki-heist-O.Golden_ne. | ||
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I'm pretty sure Xatalos is townie, simply cause he adresses suki, heist and O.Golden_ne in the last part you've quoted. I know I'm being stubborn again on my suspicions, but face it: suki never tried to rise attention towards heist, he never adressed him directly, same goes for O.Golden_ne. In his filter, if you search for the word heist, you will find it once in a part where he tries to make Eishi_Ki look suspicious based on heist's and O.Golden_ne's attacks on me, cause that makes Eishi_Ki looks bandwagon-y, which I thought too, frankly. Look for O.Golden_ne, you will get to suki's first post, where he suspects sciberbia and milton, who i both read as townie. That's it, they kept the activity between each other to a minimum, but suki pretty much adresses everyone else directly, except for the two. If that's not a safe scumtell, I don't know. @ Xatalos No, I didn't give up on my defense, I've already written it down, and my best defense atm is good offense/scumhunting. If you really look at your posts and then go through mine, you will find my defense anyway, I'm just tired of repeating it over and over when people ignore points I've already made, it's a waste of time. Also, look at suki's first post concerning miltonkram and you'll know that it's nonsense to think miltonkram might not be town. To me, it looks like you're too focused on the last posts and making the same mistake as Ange777. There are so many early posts from a confirmed mafia which hold so much more information, yet you prefer to look in a stage where every post is hard to contextualize. This is a point I've been making the entire time, and I would bet that everyone would agree on the logic. It's choosing the safe over the unsafe method, which you are not doing since you even suspect miltonkram when suki's first post disproves him being mafia. And ShiaoPi doesn't even consider heist being mafia, wtf? There's so much evidence, you simply ignore it to push a case against me? Also, i prefer to not go through your offensive posts. Calling someone stupid and retarded isn't a good way to make reads, but I think the host might remind you of that at some point. My list of scum remains the same: heist, ShiaoPi ##Vote heist | ||
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How is the reasoning odd? Suki posted more, that's all. What made me so suspicious about Ange777 is her timing when she posted something substantial for the first time. Read on. Ange: Look at Ange's posts before her comeback, she even announced she would contribute and didn't do so until there was a real danger of being lynched cause town was about to lynch the most lurking person in that game. Here she suddenly appeared, saying that we might hit blue as only inital defense, and apologized for the absence saying what kept her busy. Then I was just pretty sure that it's mafia behavior to be silent all game and just show up when you're about to get killed, throwing accusations at three different players (me, unforgiven and suki). I was fearing that through town's confusion it wouldn't come to a day 1 lynch, so I preferred to stick with my initial target cause I believed it was more likely to get a lynch on Ange777. It was Xatalos who made the first vote on her, I was third after miltonkram. You are making such a big deal out of the fact that I believed that suki was town, most of the town did (except for Eishi_Ki and unforgiven and later Ange777). She admitted having a bad impact on that game with the sudden return reading scum to me. Town was about to set the vote, and I didn't want to vote for someone I didn't believe to be mafia unless it was the only possible way to get a Day 1 lynch, which I announced from the beginning. Then heist: Wtf, you mention what you believe without even saying what should be wrong about that scumslip, he says he doesn't believe suki to be mafia and 12 minutes later he contradicts himself by saying it looks like I'm bussing. Also, bad redefinition, my entire response was: 'Your word choice is strange cause it contradicts your official beliefs'. Also, you completely ignore the time of the post, i posted that before s0lstice died, but you say I use that to push after s0lstice's death. I understand you don't have a good overview of my actions cause you just joined the game, but you should really read everything if you plan on going for such accusations of single players. You will find all kind of suspicious things about other players if you go with the premise that they are guilty and look close enough. Eishi_Ki: Contributing and boost my filter? You realize I was the first to push the case and barely anyone believed Eishi to be scum? How exactly should that help me as mafia? Taking a hard stance?Going against the grain? None of these helps mafia. Eishi joined in against me after two posts from heist and O.Golden, accusing me for townreading sciberbia too early. Now that you know that sciberbia is town with very high probability, why should I defend him as mafia? Townreading him actually was against the mafia's interest, as you see with suki's next post doubting my read. Then heist and O.Golden attacked me. | ||
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On June 05 2012 03:04 austinmcc wrote: He's NOT misusing that term though if he's saying what he seems to be saying. That it is a bad idea to vote for someone you think is town. If making a comment about X bussing Y when you think Y is town is a scumslip, then what should we make of actively placing your vote on Y when you think Y is town? If you read it this way, it makes sense and it looks plenty townie. He's calling Vivax out on voting a townread, and then giving a possible explanation for Vivax's behavior. In all honesty, while some may find the last sentence of his post scummy, I'm more inclined to focus on the first couple sentences, where he's reprimanding Vivax for voting a townread. I placed the vote on Y cause we needed a day 1 lynch and there were two votes left, in the end those were from me and heist as last vote. I could have kept suki alive if I wanted to. And i could have voted after heist. I know my defense of suki looks scummy, but no mafia would defend one of theirs directly, then vote for them and reveal the information. It's a loss-loss situation for scum. I'll just play the scenario through with the assumption i'm scum: I could have defended suki, then stop the lynch, get a night 1 kill and 1 more day to try and get another lynch target than us two. Heist wouldn't have voted for him anyway without my vote. His main suspect was superouman at that point, so he was playing into my hands. Instead I decided to get him killed, not just bussing one of my faction, but also ensuring that all would suspect me upon that. Then I would try to incriminate heist and O.Golden, alongside with s0lstice, just to decide and get him killed, my ally in these cases??? S0lstice would have helped me push the case further and i would have been able to deflect attention from me, and then me and another mafioso just kill him? GG Mafia | ||
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You're doing the error of 'lynching the most controversial or outspoken player'. But feel free to make it, since Shiao and heist will have a lot of trouble nevertheless, cause I will flip town and their cases are extremely one-sided (towards me). Just mind that they have another kill at their disposal, I would opt for sciberbia if I were mafia right now. Was a fun first game, guys. But I need to work on my strat. ##Unvote heist ##Vote Vivax | ||
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Should be 7 votes on me right now. Also, I'm lynching myself cause i cba to argue with everyone. People should just see for themselves if they run over my defense.I'm done with explaining. | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
Just look. | ||
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Vivax
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Damn your lengthy sincere agenda pushing posts. | ||
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Vivax
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He really had most responsibility there knowing that he's town. I'm not taking away credit from him since he posted a case against Xata before the unforgiven NK. But that NK had a lot of implications, and he resigned immediately and voted for himself without using the NK to push another case. Hard to tell if others would have switched their vote even with a super solid case. Everyone was convinced of a scum ShiaoPi in the end. Not blaming it on him alone, most of us made gross mistakes, but I kinda feel like town still stood a chance there  | ||
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