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On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler + The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. ![[image loading]](http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1656708684/sad_zealot.png) Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
 Also, ##Vote VE | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Can you answer my earlier question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=78#1559 Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? | ||
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sToFu
United States189 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sToFu, I'm going to ask you kindly right now to do what I say. Vote VE. Thank you. Just read the second part (which came out while I was typing my post). I then reread the last few pages of the thread (which I had skimmed because they were mostly one-liners). Despite my apparent fixation on the Zealos lynch (I strongly believe he is scum), you make a stronger case. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: let's be clear. We're not lynching zealos. We're not lynching gambit. We're not lynching hyaach. We're not gonna lynch any of the other half assed "cases" people have done. We're gonna kill VE. ok. you have my support. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
Can we slow down the posting? kthxbai | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:11 Probulous wrote: ROFL Meapak, you're fun to play with. Your second half matches up nicely with what WBG was saying about VE jumping all over the place. Can you answer my earlier question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=78#1559 Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? Oh no I think he was trying very hard to make toad suitable for lynch. Toad obviously represents a huge threat to scum so what better way to nip that in the bud then to kill him day 1. VE definitely wanted toad dead, however he didn't want to do the dirty work. As I outlined in part 1, toad is more focused on casting doubt on toad, he wanted others to step up and actually start taking body shots at toad. If toad had actually died VE could have easily said something like "oops, I thought he was lying" and get away fairly cleanly. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I mean it should have been obvious that Toad would be confirmed when he announced who he was masoned with and that person confirmed it (in this case you). The rest of your case is great but a large proportion is about a scum VE discrediting Toad, which would never lead to his lynch. VE definitely wanted toad dead, however he didn't want to do the dirty work. TLDR: Toad would be confirmed town before the lynch vote, why discredit him? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:29 kitaman27 wrote: In your own words Wiggles, could you explain to me why Gambit is a better lynch than the alternatives? Also, why the drop-off in activity since your election? I've been more busy in the last couple days than I was when I ran. I only had an hour and a bit of free time today so far after the morning and ended up playing Dota, haha. :p I guess I'll answer your other post at the same time, since they're pretty much asking the same thing. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:18 kitaman27 wrote: How did you come to decide it should be gambit from that list? I decided to go for Gambit, since the soft-defenses of him made me pretty suspicious, and the original analysis was good as well. His name as scum came pretty suddenly, because it's not like people were pressuring him too hard before-hand. Instead, it was more of a surprise and the case on him appeared very quickly. The case on him made sense. After it popped up, several people entered the thread and all defended against his lynch. However, they didn't do it in such a way that they called him town, or not scum, they did it in such a way that it looked a lot more like they were making excuses as to why we shouldn't lynch him. That's not the proper way to defend someone from a lynch, from a town perspective. So, I already agreed with what WBG had said about Gambit, and then a bunch of people soft-defended him scummily. Therefore, I decided he would be a good lynch, since he seemed likely to flip scum from the analysis made, and then he could provide us with further leads on three separate players. Especially strongandbig and austinmc seemed like they'd be healthy leads if gambit flips scum, since I could definitely see them reacting like that if they saw a scum-buddy suddenly accused with no warning. Their posts and VE's looked like knee-jerk reactions to WBG. On May 31 2012 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: While I think Zealos looks pretty bad, I don't think the bolded plays into it at all. I think he's just saying that he thinks Toad will look town if he proves that he's a mason, if not, he's scum of some kind. That was the general opinion in the thread then too, so it looks like he's just echoing that. Actually, Wiggles I'd REALLY like your opinion...you're firmly in the Gambit-For-Lynch camp, yeah? What do you think about this post by Zealos? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Questioning toad's claim at that point was valid. He could be mason but being roleblock and other complications that come with it. If you read my first post. U would know im against going up a tree on first day. I wasnt so very positive about voting someone into power base on first day alone. So i state that as clear as wiggles case is and appear town to show that im not casting doubt on his candidacy on day one. But i voted another town read i had who wasnt running to define my stance. Im town Now that day one is over and the lynch was not as good as ive hoped. You see me questioning for wiggles to respond. it wss actuallly more interesting to see wiggles list before within the first 24h. going to read thru the case on Ve when i get home. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I shot at Zealos last night. I was roleblocked. Let's please move on. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:28 Probulous wrote: How we haven't lynched yet? I mean it should have been obvious that Toad would be confirmed when he announced who he was masoned with and that person confirmed it (in this case you). The rest of your case is great but a large proportion is about a scum VE discrediting Toad, which would never lead to his lynch. TLDR: Toad would be confirmed town before the lynch vote, why discredit him? You have the timeline somewhat wrong. Most of VE's hardcore anti-toad stuff was on day1 (obviously toad is confirmed now so VE can't do anything but gripe), while toad had claimed, there's still the chance he gets lynched in a mixup where people think he's lying. If you read VE's posts that's what he's going for. He's spreading as much doubt about toad's claim as he can because he knows he only has until the next day before toad gets confirmed. So yes, VE was trying to get toad lynched on day 1 without seeming like a primary instigator. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Gaz, the video-game playing Town Vigilante I shot at Zealos last night. I was roleblocked. Let's please move on. god it doesn't get much better than this :D | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm town, I'm a vig and you're all trying to kill me. What now guys? What now? Where do we go from here? I'm sorry you disagree with my playstyle. I am. But this is how I play. It appears Palmar was right after all. I really am just a displeasure to play with. *sigh* | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Ok so he was trying to convince Wiggles to lynch Toad. Well he has claimed vigilante now. @VE did you get your shot back? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't care if you're angry. I post a lot. Sue me. I'm town, I'm a vig and you're all trying to kill me. What now guys? What now? Where do we go from here? I'm sorry you disagree with my playstyle. I am. But this is how I play. It appears Palmar was right after all. I really am just a displeasure to play with. *sigh* You're always a pleasure to play with VE <3 So you're a vig who shot night one, but didn't call your shot? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:44 kitaman27 wrote: You're always a pleasure to play with VE <3 So you're a vig who shot night one, but didn't call your shot? That's actually a good point. Why didn't you claim your shot before the day post, VE? Also why have you been flip-flopping on your read on Kita so much? I'd read you as town before, but I've taken pause after the weird switches on who you want to lynch, and who you think is town or scum. | ||
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