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On May 31 2012 12:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
No it's not, it's mine...I let you mind-fuck me hard in that game (regardless of your alignment which is still unknown)...to the point where I'm not even sure if this is the game for me anymore.
It's not your fault, but it's a direct result of your actions against me in that game. It's destroyed my confidence in my reads and even myself.
ooooooookaaaaay.
we can't really discuss that game but it's irrelevant since I'm town in both. That's all I'll say. Your play was still mind boggling and I still don't understand it.
Moving on, right now the problem is that you're sheeping cases and you say MZ and kita are suspicious for not voting you but you think I'm suspicious of you because of your apparent willingness to lynch scummy lurkers.
That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim)
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On May 31 2012 12:53 GreYMisT wrote:
You know where to keep discussions of ongoing games?
in the ongoing games
I was wondering when this was coming - you realize this is the like 4th instance of it happening... ^^
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I realize the "this is the problem" "this is not the problem" part came out really weird but I don't think it needs any further explanation.
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@WBG, regardless of VE, what do you think Hyaach?
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On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote:
A fair warning, I expect everyone to try to make the game as enjoyable to others as possible. If you find yourself thinking “can I get away with this” You probably shouldnt do it. If you ruin my game for everyone, not only will you never play in one of my games again, but I will seek out the highest possible punishment applicable to the situation. I have never had a serious problem in my games before, and I would like to keep it that way.
So have fun
Thought I made it pretty clear
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On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
No it's not, it's mine...I let you mind-fuck me hard in that game (regardless of your alignment which is still unknown)...to the point where I'm not even sure if this is the game for me anymore.
It's not your fault, but it's a direct result of your actions against me in that game. It's destroyed my confidence in my reads and even myself. ooooooookaaaaay. we can't really discuss that game but it's irrelevant since I'm town in both. That's all I'll say. Your play was still mind boggling and I still don't understand it. Moving on, right now the problem is that you're sheeping cases and you say MZ and kita are suspicious for not voting you but you think I'm suspicious of you because of your apparent willingness to lynch scummy lurkers. That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim)
So we don't question claims anymore? We take claims at face value all of a sudden? Good to know.
I'm going home and I promise you a case for the ages tomorrow Bugs. That's all I can do at this point. I apologize I'm not as good as you'd hoped, but there it is.
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On May 31 2012 12:52 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:48 Manason wrote:On May 31 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target.
I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order.
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots.
Manason
GambitX32
Cwave
Hassybaby
Kenpachi
phagga
Hyaach
sToFu As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot. VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now. sToFu: I don't think he's scum. Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts. strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment. Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous. You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five) To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me. You want me to defend myself from the fact that your intuition tells you that I am scum? You've given me no case to respond to. Does that mean your strongest scum read is based on a gut feeling? Nobody else has done anything this game that you actually find scummy?
Doesn't everyone get there reads based on what their gut feeling is? I seriously doubt anyone accuses someone of being scum without believing they actually are. Unless they have other motives of course. And like I've previously stated, Kita and Zealous are who I'm confident right now. Of course other people have done scummy things, but not enough to give me a gut feeling their scum. Think of it like proving that your town. Otherwise my vote will not waiver.
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Behold the great Manason!
He can tell who is scum by his daily bowel movements.
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On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim)
@WBG, what makes you think MZ is scummy? This looks like a pretty townie post to me.
On May 30 2012 04:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:22 supersoft wrote:On May 30 2012 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey supersoft, do something useful and write an analysis on me and wiggles. what is this? "write an analysis" I already posted what I think about you an wiggles. Why don't you tell me what you think about wiggles? Do you think it's normal townbehaviour, to be elected to chose the lynch and not participate at the final discussion about it?And another question: Do you REALLY think I am scum?! Or do you even know I am not. I really don't care about wiggles behavior before the lynch and since you didn't bother taking any strong actions before the lynch you're just as bad as he is so stop whining. And no I don't think you're scum, unlike you I've been reading between the lines and I've picked up things. What I'm trying to do now is make sure you don't do anything stupid.
Seems odd to notice supersoft's craziness for what it was and then point it out in the thread. If he was scum, supersoft would be dead right?
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On May 31 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim) @WBG, what makes you think MZ is scummy? This looks like a pretty townie post to me. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 04:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2012 04:22 supersoft wrote:On May 30 2012 04:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey supersoft, do something useful and write an analysis on me and wiggles. what is this? "write an analysis" I already posted what I think about you an wiggles. Why don't you tell me what you think about wiggles? Do you think it's normal townbehaviour, to be elected to chose the lynch and not participate at the final discussion about it?And another question: Do you REALLY think I am scum?! Or do you even know I am not. I really don't care about wiggles behavior before the lynch and since you didn't bother taking any strong actions before the lynch you're just as bad as he is so stop whining. And no I don't think you're scum, unlike you I've been reading between the lines and I've picked up things. What I'm trying to do now is make sure you don't do anything stupid. I don't think MZ is scummy, that was a paraphrase of what VE said here: Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? As for Hyaach, I'm not as confident in him flipping scum as I am zealos or even Gambit (ignoring the mason thing) What Toad is saying might be meaningless about gambit, but in terms of the tone and type of posting I think Hyaach's tone and attitude come across less scummy than both Zealos and Gambit. Between Zealos and Hyaach I'd much rather kill Zealos. Seems odd to notice supersoft's craziness for what it was and then point it out in the thread. If he was scum, supersoft would be dead right?
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On May 31 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim) @WBG, what makes you think MZ is scummy? This looks like a pretty townie post to me.
I don't think MZ is scummy, that sentence was a paraphrase of VE saying this:
On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that?
As for Hyaach, I'm not as confident in him flipping scum as I am zealos or even Gambit (ignoring the mason thing)
What Toad is saying might be meaningless about gambit, but in terms of the tone and type of posting I think Hyaach's tone and attitude come across less scummy than both Zealos and Gambit. Between Zealos and Hyaach I'd much rather kill Zealos.
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Dear Town:
What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*
Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.
Pretty please?
Sincerely, VE
PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3
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Hmm, quote mix up?
Yeah I have been reading Forumite and Supersoft's filters and this post seems to be the crux of the case against Zealos
On May 28 2012 05:52 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 02:31 Zealos wrote:On May 28 2012 01:47 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 01:44 Zealos wrote:
I think we're being a bit too quick to rush and attack Toad for something reasonably small. Although his entire election campaign was him showing off, the logic was at least there is some way or another. I certainly don't plan on voting for him based off of it though. Why are you defending Toades? Because that's my opinion of the game so far. It seems like everyone is ready to jump on, without really looking at rest of the game.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know scum defend townies all the time and Toad hadn't claimed at this point so there was no reason to assume he was innocent. I could get down with a Zealos lynch if my Hyaach lynch is not gaining the traction required.
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I think the marvellosity case is much stronger than that, lol.
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No probulous, by god.
On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.
This is the crux of the case on Zealos. You replaced in, so maybe you don't have a frame, but this one post is why Zealos looks incredible scummy. You don't find scum by making an extended PBPA case; anyone, literally anyone can do that. You only need 1 post to find scum, and this is it.
I'm sad to see that the spam continued. Do you know what is happening right now? It's the Avengers: we're all arguing with each other instead of consolidating. Stop the infighting, and kill Loki, aka VE.
VE scum, Zealos scum. We lynch Zealos today, thats it. Stop spamming. We're not lynching kita.
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On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Town:
What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*
Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.
Pretty please?
Sincerely, VE
PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3
Know what I find strange? He's your "favorite" lynch yet you aren't voting for him. Explain please.
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Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler +The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, cool...Toad town...
......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap.
On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious.
At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it?
##Vote: Kitaman27
Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
GOD DAMNIT
There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher.
##Unvote
Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote:I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: GambitBecause 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. ![[image loading]](http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1656708684/sad_zealot.png) Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad.
We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum.
##vote Gambitx32 Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf?
Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote: Gambit
##Vote: Zealos
No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter?
"lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah.
Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good.
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have balls Bugs...they're huge.
The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes.
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Town:
What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*
Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.
Pretty please?
Sincerely, VE
PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.
The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there).
Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff.
Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^
Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread.
So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?
Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths.
So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, cool...Toad town...
......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive?
Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him.
The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap.
On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious.
At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch.
Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it).
This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita.
So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy.
And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it?
##Vote: Kitaman27
Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-.
Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
GOD DAMNIT
There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher.
##Unvote
Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today.
So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote:I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: GambitBecause 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live.
Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad.
We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum.
##vote Gambitx32 Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information.
I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf?
Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk.
Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this.
Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer?
Not much to add there.
VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro.
But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t.
For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election.
Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again.
This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs.
OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote: Gambit
##Vote: Zealos
No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push.
VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say.
Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter?
"lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me.
Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this.
Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah.
Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good.
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach
Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing.
Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have balls Bugs...they're huge.
The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes.
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that?
Talk about a manufactured issue lol.
Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Town:
What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*
Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.
Pretty please?
Sincerely, VE
PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3
I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.
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let's be clear. We're not lynching zealos. We're not lynching gambit. We're not lynching hyaach. We're not gonna lynch any of the other half assed "cases" people have done. We're gonna kill VE.
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On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
VisceraEyes: case stated earlier
sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells
Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader
strongandbig: stated ealier
Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
You asked for my opinions? Here.
VE: MZ makes a compelling case, as stated earlier.
Wiggles: If you look through my (very short) filter, you'll notice that I begin with confidence in Wiggles. His posting quality hasn't changed - all his posts are well thought out. What concerns me, however, as indicated in my reads post, was that his posts felt too diplomatic and designed to appeal to the masses. You'll also notice that I tried to subtly call Wiggles out for not posting. His posts are growing even less frequent and more noncommittal. Although nothing he has done is indicating mafia, but his lack of action is growing ever more suspicious.
SnB: I'm on the fence. His posts read as those of a logical townie, and (as I have stated previously) I believe Mattchew's case on SnB is frankly devoid of content. Others, however, have pointed out his somewhat scummy behavior throughout this game. I wouldn't lynch him - I'd even rather hit a lurker.
Hassy: Who?
Notable thoughts not really mentioned:
Mattchew - Continued tunnel-vision on SnB. Little to no interaction with any other case.
grush - Bad play in previous game. Target of D1 lynch and clears up posting. Pressure on him fades and his posting quality and quantity decreases accordingly. This feels like scum play - post well when called out, and lurk hoping not to be noticed for the rest of the time.
Manason - I can't be the only user with alarm bells ringing in my head after his last few posts. I believe that he is scum. I'm starting my case against him. However, I feel like it'll be slightly lacking (plus he might just be having a bad day), and there are plenty of worthy lynch targets in the meantime.
I dislike the lurker lynch at this point in time. The cases for each one are roughly equivalent, as demonstrated by how quickly the lurker lynch changed. so I'm going to stick with what I've been pushing for since I read Zealos' filter and his postings (after my reads post):
##Vote: Zealos
As a minor note, I feel that a Zealos lynch, considering his early activity and initial willingness to impart information, shouldn't be considered a lurker lynch.
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