EPTnomination sounds really interesting though, but pyp is a classic.
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I have zero tolerance for flaming, and I will ban/modkill you. You have been warned What constitutes as flaming? The real reason I'm asking is I hate not being able to call people dumb when they're dumb. I find it really unbalanced that people are allowed to post stuff that's so stupid that it's borderline trolling, intentionally or not, but I'm not allowed to say that everything they're saying is incredibly dumb and worthless. ie: If I join, can I call people dumb when they're dumb? To clarify, I want to call whatever people are saying dumb, not insult the person directly, though most of the time an indirect insult is taken. | ||
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Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like. | ||
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On May 15 2012 05:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: And don't use electricity, it'll just feed your rage more. I prefer grenades. | ||
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After not having read through the thread I don't agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definitely a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Unlike Toad I find it highly likely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues on the scum team, but a scum RB will be very useful despite no one being dumb enough to claim randomly. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. | ||
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Sandroba, how do you feel about that? | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:46 sandroba wrote: @Palmar What is your reasoning for picking pardoner at your position? I'm glad you asked! I am particularly proud of my pardoner draft idea, and even more glad that I got the role. You see, I figured I wouldn't get any particularly strong role with such a bad drafting position. Drafting something like a vigilante role, which is something I would like, was almost out of the question. So I decided to go with a role that confirms I'm town instead. Why does it confirm I'm town? Well let me explain. I drafted it and claimed it. The pardoner is a very hard role to use for both sides, very few people in this game possess the confidence and authority to successfully use this role as town, and as soon as mafia uses their claimed pardoner power, the pardoner gets lynched or shot the next night, because there is a valid case against the person being lynched, most likely. In fact, assuming I'm mafia it's strictly optimal play for me to just claim vanilla town. I can easily claim that I tried to draft day vigilante as I had already mentioned wanting that role, and I knew it had gone to someone above me in the draft. I had a perfect alibi, and it's dumb as shit to claim pardoner as mafia, because there is NOTHING stopping a scum Palmar from just acting like a vanilla townie throughout the game, quietly wasting town time by pardoning someone at some point through the game. Thus it's simply dumb to assume I'm scum at this point. I'm accountable for the pardon if and when it happens. Ideally I will not use the power at all in the game, but if I do I will announce it. Only reason I would be using it is if something on XLVIII scale of stupidity happens. Unless of course you think I'm pulling some kinda crazy gambit, which I admit would not be completely out of character for me, however Occam's razor says I'm town. | ||
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On May 17 2012 23:18 Mattchew wrote: i'll internet high five you when you catch scum today, get on my level son. I don't want to go down on "riding my first success"-level again. | ||
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On May 18 2012 19:37 sandroba wrote: @palmar sounds solid. Any ideas on how to deal with the sentinel/risk/marv situation? I'm just reading it atm. | ||
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On May 18 2012 19:31 risk.nuke wrote: Me and marv roleclaiming is a bad idea. The chance that you will be able to deduce something out of that that's going to have an impact is just very slim for the risk. I could get behind this if Sentinel flips town but not as it is now. I don't care what role marv is, but I'd like to hear yours. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote: We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent. Sometimes I love the way you think Mattchew. Killing everyone is a valid solution to any problem | ||
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On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote: I actually think no lynching might be the best choice. Are you insane? That's the complete opposite of my favorite way of playing this game. Regarding Qatol: So yeah, I mentioned I might like killing him, but I don't know if he's being intentionally disruptive or just a condescending jerk. First off, the harsh insistence that Mattchew's shot does not confirm Mattchew in any way. Remember, there is a SK in the game, as you yourself pointed out, which means that mafia is afraid for their numbers, unless they went for some kinda circle-jerk all-protective roles, they're afraid that a random shot might kill them. Town also is bound to control a lot of KP, another reason why they'd be afraid of thinning their numbers early in the game. Don't act like everyone is stupid enough to consider Mattchew completely ridden of all suspicions, but even something like a 3 for 1 trade is fine for town, so he has given us scum. The chances of him being mafia are so incredibly remote that it doesn't even warrant discussion. All you're doing by pressing the idea he might be scum is stopping the flow of the game for us. I'd also like to point out that making himself the center of attention day 1 is a very strange way of playing SK. Of course nothing is confirmed, but there really isn't a reason to assume anything else at the moment. Not to mention, if you're town, doubting him in public like that is simply bad play, because if big players get behind someone and say he's confirmed town, and he actually happens to be town, we're forcing the scum to take care of the problem for us. They don't know we secretly keep our guard up. People who look very towny tend to get shot In addition, I don't like how Qatol has repeatedly brought up the issue of PaqMan lynch today. Again, I'm not sure if this is a disconnect to the game because he hasn't played in a while, or if it's of the malicious nature. It's pretty clear that town NEEDS this issue resolved. One of the three is lying, we want to find out which one (bear with me if the conclusion has been reached, I'm still 5 pages behind or so). Trying to deflect that issue is incredibly dumb, because it is now a given this issue will be plaguing us until we resolve it. There is zero reason to try and move away from that discussion, just form your own opinion on it and run with it. In conclusion, remember these points later in the game, I may be wrong/right/whatever but for today we solve risk/sent/marv. | ||
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On May 18 2012 20:10 sandroba wrote: Yo palmar bro, look at my explanation and see how you like it. I'm liking it more and more by the minute. still reading up | ||
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Another reason why we should focus exclusively on the three people is that those are the only flips that cannot be fucked with by a janitor that's out there. We _know_ that if someone out of those three gets janned, he was almost certainly town and we kill into the remaining two. a 2 for 1 trade is GOOD for us, so even if we're terrible and things go as badly as possible, we're still ahead, and Mattchew's shot gives us even more leeway. Risk's denial to claim is very bad, but having played with him before I know he's prone to dumb boneheaded opinions. He tends to put his own shit above the good of the team. However @risk and @marvel. One of you is town (at least), and that person should claim the role they took. The reason is really simple, we're down to 3 scum (and 1 sk). there are 10+ town roles in the game. Each one doesn't need to net us a scum kill. Your role is NOT WORTH the confusion of not knowing what you picked. Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it. So, now is the time you both need to claim. It's strictly bad play from town perspective to refuse to claim. | ||
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On May 18 2012 20:30 Barundar wrote: Palmar if you use pardoner you are fucking town over and I will do what ever in my power to get you lynched. This is a MAJORITY lynch game, it's hard enough to get a majority of town to vote for the same target to even get a lynch off, the last thing we need is some retarded reason why 1 guy decides we shouldn't do it anyways, and we have to wifom into if he is doing it on town or scum basis. And Liar game is what a week old and you are already pulling the "I'm responsible for who I decide not to get killed" argument that you just used as mafia again. I'd like marv and sentinel to comment on Sandroba's scenario. As long as people aren't being stupid as shit you don't have to worry about it. | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote: My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later. Your role is not worth us mislynching today. Whatever I'm talking to stubborn assholes. @Everyone else: you should be voting either risk or marvelausity, because they haven't claimed their picks. | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote: From my point of view either Sentinel is lying or Marv can only be the Janitor. Yes but you aren't dumb enough to not understand why this doesn't apply to everyone. | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote: Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that. | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:48 marvellosity wrote: Explain to me how it helps and I will consider it. Maybe I won't believe your roleclaim and I will want to lynch you instead. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm kidding+ Show Spoiler + actually I'm not, please make it happen, and give me 2 day vigi shots while I'm at it Anyway, I'm just going to leave the thread and watch the derp unfold. | ||
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From where I stand at the moment, Sentinel's claim makes absolutely no sense from mafia perspective. If we try to solve the puzzle given Sentinel is mafia, he basically has forced a triangle of lynch between him, risk and marv. This makes almost no sense at all because the mafia is already weak after getting deconduo shot 5 minutes into the game. The other two at the moment make much more sense. | ||
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When is the lynch? | ||
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On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote: If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours? Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? Assuming I reach the conclusion Sentinel is indeed not scum, which seems the most likely, it simply says they're either mafia or dumb town, probably more likely dumb town, for the most part. Roles are not important at all, all you need is your vote and your brain. But some people (look at marv and risk for prime examples) think that roles are very important for town to succeed. Aside from KP roles I don't actually like many roles in this list. One of those two is probably mafia with the janitor role, the hesitation in claiming a role is because it's risky as there may be someone with the role below them, it's VERY hard to claim a role for those two guys without telling the truth. The problem is that the other probably stubborn town, and is playing to win for the mafia, unless of course one of them is the traitor and another is scum, or something ridiculous like that. The simple explanation to me is that Sentinel is telling the truth, scum doesn't initiate this kind of shit. One of the other two is the janitor, and the third guys is a stubborn bad townie. We'll see if things are as straightforward as they seem. | ||
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Barundar and Misder seem to be implying something in that direction, although not as blatantly as zelblade suggested. | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote: Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain. That's how I see it. You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all. And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever. | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:14 risk.nuke wrote: From how people explain sentinels action these last pages. You people are beeing corrupted by the situation. You need to go back and reread how sentinel started this. While yes I may act arrogant but I'm only an arrogant stubborn hardass when I think I'm right and only aslong as I think I'm right. If you see things differently it's not my fault if you can't persuade me just like it's not the customers fault if the salesman can't sell his product. The problem is you're not making a decision easy. If you're town you're deliberately making it hard to come to a conclusion. It's strictly bad play. There is not a single role in that pool of roles that's so important that you can't out that you have it. It's not even a given that mafia got a roleblocker. Roleblocker was actually one of the roles I had my sights on if I had gotten in early, I really like being a town roleblocker, it's almost better than a medic. The only one of those three selling a complete product is Sentinel, why on earth would the only outspoken and "honest" person in the group be the scum? That makes no sense. | ||
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So either we lynch risk.nuke or we lynch no one. | ||
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I want to kill you. To clarify. I understand that pardoning sent basically means wasting an entire cycle for town only to have the same argument again, so I'm actually not doing it. That doesn't change we should be killing risk, not sent, tonight. Good night. | ||
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Anyway, this probably means you need to kill me at some point. Obviously the fact that I didn't pardon sentinel should confirm that I'm not scum, despite having the resources to do it and already pretending to do it. In addition, I'd never allow one of my scum teammates to actually do something like this, it's just that dumb. However, I'm fine with whatever, just remember to look at the people that push for my death. | ||
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On May 19 2012 23:06 talismania wrote: Not sure if mass claiming would make it easier for the sk or not. I can see it either way. Risk if you're going to shoot anyone, it should be palmar or paqman. I would not be opposed to seeing either of them flip as soon as possible. Explain why I'm scum and how my actions make sense from a scum perspective. I fell into the trap of assuming sentinel's play was simply too dumb to be scum, as I explained in the thread. That doesn't make me scum. I had the power to pardon him, I didn't. Yes, I was wrong, I was wrong because of my assumption that a scum team that was down one person would not make their next move to create a triangle of players with one of their own in it, it's simply terrible play. I did not expect it. I'm obviously reforming my opinion now, this is the first time in a loooooong time I've defended scum so blatantly as town. I need to re-read the entire thing. | ||
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On May 21 2012 15:24 Snarfs wrote: Why would anyone roleblock Palmar? Only a traitor or a roleblocker are left that could do that. Just reiterating so that everyone can make note of it. Town roleblocker thinking I'm scum/SK? | ||
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On May 21 2012 03:32 Qatol wrote: Contrary to what Palmar said earlier, I don't believe anyone here is an idiot for treating him as probably innocent. (Sorry to sidetrack, but the comment has been bothering me ever since Palmar made it the other day.) I said that with the intention of riling you up. Seeing as how badly I've played this game I guess I owe you an apology. | ||
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On May 21 2012 21:32 risk.nuke wrote: I'm interested in how Barundar plan to contribute less then he already is. Palmar early on you thought zepphird was town. Do you still feel that way and why? And who do you think is most likely the last scum and do you have any guess to who is the SK? Sandroba, Mattchew & Qatol: Same questions. And someone knows when the deadline is. I thought it was last night. Do you think Zepphird faked that "wtf" and "ninjaed by GM" thing around mattchew's shot on deconduo? It seems to me he wouldn't have risked posting that "wtf" if he was scum. I haven't formed my opinion on the last scum. Sandroba is a possible candidate though, cause I know he's not very hands on when he plays scum, and well... if there is a proper vet in that scum team he's not giving a shit what his team is doing cause they're just being bad. I don't know how to hunt SKs... I've never known that. I guess we have plenty of time to figure out, | ||
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didn't toad claim it after you claimed mason? Or did he do it beforeþ | ||
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On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote: I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia. @Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace. I'm devoting tons of time to this game, I'm just being wrong a lot. But killing you seems like a good way forward. | ||
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On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote: what do you think about barundar and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum I had initial reservations about him, but mostly just the "not-sure-if-town" type of thing. Like I would rather kill a few other people. I still think Toad might be possible scum or something in that lieu. | ||
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I'm not being lazy, I'm being uncertain. It's not long since I had like 8 games in a row as town where I pushed hard for a mafia lynch on day one. I've not been on the wrong side of a mafia lynch for probably 10 months or something, not even mentioning the fact I actively pushed to kill someone who's very likely a townie over scum. I know most people don't care about that shit but when I commit to something I'm not used to being wrong. I hate it and it's making me question everything I had assumed in this game up until the point of failure. We're ahead, sandroba is a legitimate target, and killing him off today gives me plenty of time to re-think about the game. | ||
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I would support a barundar lynch. My initial reservations about him may have been based on something solid. And given the fact we have several good candidates for being townies, I see no problem with starting to lynch into the other group. Snarf/marv being kind of confirmed looks good. Misder's claim actually makes him look very good. It's almost impossible scum would use their roleblock on me as a claimed pardoner, a claim they would have no reason to disbelieve. However assuming I might be scum or SK it's a good call to roleblock me. risk/qatol are probably town. Sloosh's performance around the lynch of sentinel makes him unlikely to be scum Mattchew still gets all the leeway in the world for his shot on deconduo. Zephirdd is a weird one. Go back and read this interaction: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14722661 It seems very unlikely Zephirdd is scum based on this, and for the moment I'm not too worried about an SK | ||
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I did not ragequit this game or anything like that like I saw suggested. Sure, I was wrong on one guy at the start, but my ego can handle that easily. I'm cocky enough to still think I'm awesome. The problem was that the night before I announced I'd be asking for a replacement my gf had a miscarriage after 11wks of pregnancy, which is fairly late. It's not the end of the world, but I just had other things to do than play mafia. Obviously a thing like this is much harder for the girl than the guy, so I had to be there for her, and not spend hours reading and analyzing forum posts. It's all good now, I even sent GM a message saying I could in theory rejoin the game the day before I got modkilled. But that probably wouldn't have been fair anyway, so with no one being able to replace in, I got modkilled. So yeah, sorry about disappearing, but shit happens. | ||
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Misder could have RB'd one of the guys. | ||
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On June 07 2012 21:34 GMarshal wrote: Oh goodie, another endgame sucky situation. I guess its another draw from host incompetence -__- I also guess I'm not going to be hosting again for a while, I seem to be cursed. Don't go all emo on me. Also, just poke me when you want to host a game, I'd gladly co-host with you. | ||
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