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. I didn't want to reveal before it was absolutely necessary, because Im most likely to get night killed now. Hiro is lying, and based on the politician claims he must be the last scum. Lynching him means he can tell us who the sk is from the night hits.Pick Your Power: Redux - Page 67
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
. I didn't want to reveal before it was absolutely necessary, because Im most likely to get night killed now. Hiro is lying, and based on the politician claims he must be the last scum. Lynching him means he can tell us who the sk is from the night hits. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Anyway, Barundar, if you say hiro is lying, who do you think has the politician role? ##vote: Barundar | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Which means if we go by the assumption that hiro isnt making a (really bad) gambit barundar is the SK. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On May 23 2012 19:19 zelblade wrote: I actually think that hiro's behaviour has been more scummy as compared to Barundar's. However, I also find it extremely unlikely that the SK/scum would be willing to claim medic at position 16 due to the fact that its rather likely that someone above them in the draft could have taken it, and doing so would obviously force them into a 1-1 trade at best, and when theres one scum/sk left that isnt exactly the best trade. Which means if we go by the assumption that hiro isnt making a (really bad) gambit barundar is the SK. This is so much bull. Sigh. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 23 2012 19:19 zelblade wrote: I actually think that hiro's behaviour has been more scummy as compared to Barundar's. However, I also find it extremely unlikely that the SK/scum would be willing to claim medic at position 16 due to the fact that its rather likely that someone above them in the draft could have taken it, and doing so would obviously force them into a 1-1 trade at best, and when theres one scum/sk left that isnt exactly the best trade. Which means if we go by the assumption that hiro isnt making a (really bad) gambit barundar is the SK. And you think that what Barundar is doing is a good gambit from a mafia / SK point of view? I'd actually say what Barundar claimed makes less sense from a SK / mafia point of view because why the heck should he claim something wrong to get into a 1v1 ON PURPOSE. You're telling us that barundar is not a medic and told us he's a medic on purpose to get into the "it's either Barundar or hiro" position which makes just no sense. Problem here is that we're owning pretty hard right now and maybe mafia / SK want to give up like that. So either way, either hiro did a suicide attempt or Barundar just did a suicide attempt. Barundar fully knowing that one guy already claiemd medic (assumption: he is mafia / SK) which is nuts and playing against his wincon to just get over with this faster when he can't give up due to the other 2 factions still alive. Hiro did not know what barundar was about to claim so maybe he fakeclaimed hoping noone would claim medic. That would theoretically make sense if he's the politician. The politician-VT claim however was someone on a higher draft so that can't be the reason for a fake claim because as mafia he could have just claimed the truth. Only politician needs to fakeclaim in this situation. Fancy conclusion We lynch into one of those two and both actions are somewhat weird. I think barundars actions makes less sense from a mafia / SK point of view but maybe he did that on purpose after seeing how big of an issue that was when dealing with sent. So if the sent thing didn't happen (expectially the part about me being wrong) I would totally say lynch hiro first. However it did happen and therefore it could be on purpose. Not to mention that this could be a cheap "I give up" when a normal surrender is not possible with the other factions still batteling it out. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
##vote: hiro protagonist | ||
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Germany16350 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
1) Theres a really really dumb townie who decided not to claim getting politician. 2) Zeph decieded to lie for no reason about his pick at a point he didnt need to. So unless you think zeph is scum and has decided to suicide, barundar is most likely the sk here. Even if im wrong (which I dont think I am) we could just lynch hiro tomorrow who would be confirmed SK and zeph who would be confirmed scum and win the game. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:07 zelblade wrote: Hey toad if you think that hiro is the SK that would mean that either 1) Theres a really really dumb townie who decided not to claim getting politician. 2) Zeph decieded to lie for no reason about his pick at a point he didnt need to. So unless you think zeph is scum and has decided to suicide, barundar is most likely the sk here. Even if im wrong (which I dont think I am) we could just lynch hiro tomorrow who would be confirmed SK and zeph who would be confirmed scum and win the game. I think we're lynching for mafia right now. Why is barundar most likely to be the sk here? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
follow zelblade's plan. Lynch barundar and shoot me/hiro IF he flips town. Wont be necessary though, he is the sk. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:17 Zephirdd wrote: Because he has to be politician, and mafia cant be politicians because of th sentinel fiasco. follow zelblade's plan. Lynch barundar and shoot me/hiro IF he flips town. Wont be necessary though, he is the sk. I still want to know why you said we should be instalynching Politicians. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
And we are lynching SK now because we caught him with his pants down so to speak. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote: I still want to know why you said we should be instalynching Politicians. Because any townie that doesnt claim they took the goddammed role (and got it) after all this crap is dumb as fuck, and I would like to think that this isnt the case | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:22 zelblade wrote: Because any townie that doesnt claim they took the goddammed role (and got it) after all this crap is dumb as fuck, and I would like to think that this isnt the case What? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician. Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role. Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place. Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Is that under the assumption that your claim (VT who went for politician) is true and therefore there has to be a politician higher on the draft than you are? If that's the reasoning yeah fine with me, I just don't take those things for granted because if I were to take something else for granted I could come up with another explanation that makes more sense. I just don't understand why barundar would claim medic (a role that was already claimed) instead of just something else. He was the last to claim and could have come up with something perfectly fine. If he really is mafia / SK he wants to end the game which is kinda hard to read because if that's the case he's trying to get himself lynched. But yeah, if barundar flips town medic we're lynching hiro and you. Hiro because he fakeclaimed medic and is SK / mafia. You if we still haven't found the SK by then and lynched into mafia. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 23 2012 21:27 zelblade wrote: Okay marv lets go slowly. First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician. Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role. Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place. Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK. Thank you zel <3 it appears I may be being stupid. I thought Zephirdd's comment came at an earlier time. I will go back and check to confirm I fucked up the order of things | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
We have caught someone who wanted to be caught pants down. That's the thing right now and I don't know if that's his way to give up or if it's something weird. Anyways since I thought Barundar is the most likely to be SK (not mafia though) I am fine with the lynch based on the reads I had before claims went down. After claims went down it's just a coinflip. | ||
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