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Seems like the first couple of hours will be spent waiting on the rest of the players to get here. Yay for idle chatter. | ||
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Just as a general: This is an ok thing for town to do once we all know who is actually playing/participating. | ||
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On May 10 2012 08:56 Hyaach wrote: this is exactly why i always hated day starts. just posting to let people know i'm here and ready to jump the big gun! Guys! He said he has a gun! He's OBVIOUSLY SCUM! . . . I kid... or do I? | ||
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On May 10 2012 13:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: Sounds like a solid strategy. Basic, but solid. Getting rid of lurkers/low content players seems like a win/win. If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Seems like the first couple of hours will be spent waiting on the rest of the players to get here. Yay for idle chatter. Not true, lynching an inactive is a waste. Scum wants us to not lynch them. We can call lurkers out, and they have to respond. They don't respond, we start looking at them. Lynching, because they are lurkers is stupid. ... Which is exactly what I said. Lurkers/Low content players. NOT inactives. Though, I fail to see the difference in saying don't lynch inactives. If we call out lurkers and they don't respond, are they not by definition inactives? Either way, making lurkers either provide help to the town or getting rid of inactives helps out the town, as I said in my first post. | ||
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On May 10 2012 15:18 dahdum wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. I'm on this wagon, for BKE's reason and the "I hope you aren't mafia" statement. Let's hear more from you Firm. ##Vote FirmTofu While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game. Posting style, however, can and most likely should be used. A lot of people are shooting off votes 4ish hours into the day, and while it's majority vote at the end of the day, I think there are better ways of getting people to speak up without throwing around votes on a whim. Let's see what Firm has to say. | ||
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On May 10 2012 16:40 dahdum wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 16:12 BioSC wrote: On May 10 2012 15:18 dahdum wrote: On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. I'm on this wagon, for BKE's reason and the "I hope you aren't mafia" statement. Let's hear more from you Firm. ##Vote FirmTofu While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game. Posting style, however, can and most likely should be used. A lot of people are shooting off votes 4ish hours into the day, and while it's majority vote at the end of the day, I think there are better ways of getting people to speak up without throwing around votes on a whim. Let's see what Firm has to say. Actually, throwing around votes is an excellent way of getting people to speak up. You're defending him right now, he'll respond, and we can interpret later if/when he flips what that says about you. We were in the last game together so I also have a better sense of his style than I do of the rest of you. Read what I posted again. I threw my suspicions towards him as well. Not sure what about my post was defending him. Fair enough point about his style. Though I did mention that as well. Again, I want to hear from him before immediately calling Lynch. I haven't cast my vote yet either. | ||
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On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:50 Anacletus wrote: Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 04:46 ShiaoPi wrote: On May 11 2012 04:43 Anacletus wrote: Well, shit, I guess opting to lynch someone because several others were voting for them was silly. I'm not mafia TT Is that your defense? Seriously? BroodkingEXE if you believe me scum and starting a scumwagon, I would like to know the reasons how you came to that assumption. Well, the way I figure it, if I try to defend myself too much I'll just draw more attention to myself. There really isn't any evidence on the board so I think that just not voicing my opinion until there's more evidence would be better. I'd just like to point out though that if I am hung, you will see that I am not mafia and you will probably want to go after those gunning for me..... Your justification for wanting to hang me is lacking evidence just as my claim. Still, saying "Don't lynch me because I'm town" isn't that solid of a defense. We want to know why you voted for Tofu with no reason, then when you DID post a reason, it wasn't solid. | ||
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On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia.[/QUOTE] If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. [/QUOTE] I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I would probably be more suspicious of you if you weren't of me. I wanted to address this because I felt it trivial to discuss when there was more obvious things to consider and talk about. | ||
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On May 11 2012 10:21 Anacletus wrote: My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. Well, this could turn out interesting Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 08:08 BioSC wrote: Fair enough. I would probably be more suspicious of you if you weren't of me. I wanted to address this because I felt it trivial to discuss when there was more obvious things to consider and talk about. So, let me get this straight. You believe I am mafia, because I've been passive? That simply isn't true. I questioned Tofu on his comment, and he responded. You, on the other hand, have been all over the place with your postings, and when people call you out on it, you give reasons like "If you all lynch me, I'll flip town" and "I don't want to have a lynch, so I'm passing my vote". I have been pro town since minute one. When people were confused or pressing me for information, I responded. I know my innocence, and have defended it. In response to you quoting one of my posts saying "interesting"... It's day 1. The only people that should be trusting of anyone else are people in the mafia. Hell, it's in the game description: "Uninformed majority vs. Informed minority" I don't trust anyone day 1, and neither should anyone else in town. We've been trying to find a good scum read for a day now, and as of now, YOU are the biggest read. This is the biggest reason why I'm having a hard time believing you are Town. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? If you are town, and have no information, why the hell would you post? Browsing through your filters, you've done nothing to help Town find a scum. Your vote on Tofu early had no reasoning behind it, and ever since you've been called out on it, you have turtled and provided no reason for me to believe you are helping town. Until you can show that you are helping town by finding scum, my vote is for you. ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) Which post was this? The one about me possibly being scum (I'll answer these all day) or the one about Unforgiven? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, don't think that defending yourself is scummy; it is just good play and everyone should do it. If you know you are town, then defend yourself and prove it. If you are actually town, and go down without a fight, then you have done nothing for us except die. I would rather defend myself than let people try to read scumminess (is that a word?) that isn't there. You also call me out on being tunneled on Anacletus. Perhaps I am, but as I said, his play is reading as the scummiest so far, which we both agree on. | ||
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First, though, the guy's name is Anacletus. I'm going to assume the misspelling was simply a Freudian slip of the tounge >.< I'm suspicious of Darkfirex5. He seems to be trying to shift focus away from Anacletus, and this is why I think that. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) He's already done this twice in this day, pointing out small flaws and meaningless details in my posts to try and get an argument started against me. My strategy to deal with it was to stamp it out. Just because I'm putting pressure on someone, though, doesn't mean I'm not looking for more reads. There are at least 4 mafia in this game, and town needs to find them all to win. By me saying I'm watching his posts, I mean exactly that. I'm trying to stay pretty crystal in my intentions in this game. Another I'm iffy about is Mufaa. He hasn't posted much, and has given a reason about jobs and shifts taking up a lot of time. His other posts are a question on when the end time for voting is (useless fluff, a mod post covered that), and a weak pressure on Ana. What I can't tell is if that is just shoddy town play, or mafia bussing. Either way, I need more posts from him to either change or strengthen my read on him. | ||
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On May 11 2012 13:48 Hyaach wrote: Im at school surfing this with my mobile so i cant really read thru everypost people made before but i believe ive said biisc was trying to remain neutral all these time and not committing ro anything Biisc is biosc and my read on him is before his recent post in the last 10 hours will give an update when im at home in around 7 hours Yeah, I'm remaining so neutral that I've casted a vote for someone I believe is scum, and gave reasons for others that I believe is scum. I think you and I have different definitions of neutral... | ||
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My post about it: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 13:19 BioSC wrote: Alright, here goes. First, though, the guy's name is Anacletus. I'm going to assume the misspelling was simply a Freudian slip of the tounge >.< I'm suspicious of Darkfirex5. He seems to be trying to shift focus away from Anacletus, and this is why I think that. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) He's already done this twice in this day, pointing out small flaws and meaningless details in my posts to try and get an argument started against me. My strategy to deal with it was to stamp it out. Just because I'm putting pressure on someone, though, doesn't mean I'm not looking for more reads. There are at least 4 mafia in this game, and town needs to find them all to win. I would like to see some posts out of Darkfirex5 about this. Why did you make the post above? I also tend to agree with the stuff about making lists. Dahdum, I think your heart is in the right place, but focusing on a "short list" of the most scummy players would allow us to focus on finding, like Tofu said, a single guilty party. | ||
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"Well, even though my posts were scummy, and the majority of town have been calling me out on it, and I've yet to offer anything positive to town, you guys forgave Ana, why not forgive me?" For now, my vote stays as is. As we wind down to time, though, what does that mean if Brood doesn't show up till night starts? What is our plan before then? Do we all switch the bandwagon to Brood for a last minute lynch? Or is it a last minute ploy by mafia to save scum that has been playing badly? | ||
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My second half of the post was more of a discussion starter than a concrete plan for us to follow. As of right now, the only people on and even discussing the case this close to lynch is you, me, and ShiaoPi. If you want to get your lynch case through, the best way to do that is discussion, and by trying to convince the 4 non-voters as of yet to vote your way, but even then, I feel like the case against Anac is already too stacked against him to change. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote: I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned). Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count? Your tunnelling on me makes absolutely no sense. We've had pretty much the exact same reads on people, excepting of course that for whatever strange reason you believe I'm playing scummy. I've already asked you for reasons on why you think I'm scum, but frankly they are pretty tame and only serve to distract and cause more arguments. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 12:57 dahdum wrote: @biosc Sure, this is why I think you're scummy: Show nested quote + Sounds like a solid strategy. Basic, but solid. Getting rid of lurkers/low content players seems like a win/win. If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. You're agreeing with me here, but then the "they would be as bad as scum" phrase really seems out of place. My first suspicion based on that. Show nested quote + While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game. Show nested quote + Read what I posted again. I threw my suspicions towards him as well. Not sure what about my post was defending him. By throwing your suspicions I assume you mean the phrase "back half of his post is worthy of discussion". Super passive and non-committal. Sounds like something one scum says to another. I'd also like to hear more on who you think is suspicious beyond Analectus? What is your goal here? You believe I'm scum, but have the same reads as a scum? I'm not even sure you follow your own logic. We are discussing the lynch of Anacletus or BroodKingExe, Why would you bring me into this discussion, if not to distract from what we are discussing. If you have a case against me, make it. So far your suspicions of me have been weak at best, so I hope that if you are making a case, it's better than "He said some cryptic things on day 1", and "He had a scum read on one of my reads, but said something I believe to be scumtalk" Honestly this whole half-assed commited case you have against me just strengthens my case for you being scum. Back to the case at hand. I've stated multiple times that I believe Anacletus to be scum, however, with the recent case against BXE, I'm inclined to swap my vote to him. The biggest reason I am to swap my vote over, is this line in Austin's case. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote: If that makes sense, and recent action just doesn't support a scenario where Anac is scum and Brood is town, then we should take out Brood. We can deal with Anac later if he IS scum, because he's got no chance to be really disruptive after his start. Both players have had people call them out on being scummy. However, due to Anac losing all credit with the town, regardless of affiliation, it would be tough for him ,should he be mafia, to get any ball rolling on someone else in town. It's not a forgiveness for bad play, its a delay in action for a scum target appearing more scummy near the end of the day. ## Unvote ## Vote BroodKingEXE | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 11:11 dahdum wrote: Bringing up BioSC was just reiterating the top of my list, it's also enjoyable how defensive he gets when mentioned. I'll make a full case when I'm ready. I'm not sold on anyone being confirmed, and we haven't gotten to true analysis stage. *yawn* Another passive aggressive post from Dah against me. Enjoying how defensive I get? It's just as enjoyable to watch you flail about with no real evidence. | ||
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On May 12 2012 07:55 BroodKingEXE wrote: Ahhhh!! I've gotta cram in what I can. Mufaa, Anacletus, and dahdum Let's see. It looks like Mufaa is wagoning. He votes for me to get on the wagon, and be on the right side of things. He voted for Jail to keep suspicion off himself when the vote was close. I'm sure of it. Same thing with dahdum read his filter. At one point he supported me, then he turned away. I dug myself into a bad hole I think Shiao and austin are townies for sure they are making good amount of sense in their posts. Listen to them,but post your own info as to why you vote. Advice: keep your eyes open, don't tunnel like you did with me. If you do really suspect them look at what they are saying. Posting style is only an add-on to being scum, what they say is more important. This seems like an interesting and good place to start. I actually have to sleep now, I have work in the morning, but will be free all afternoon tomorrow, assuming I can finish my project. Good Night all. | ||
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Finals have kept me busy, but I'm finished up with them. Now the only thing taking up my time is my SC2 tournament. Going to read through filters and try to get some discussions going. We have a lot of ground to make up on the scum. | ||
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Are you seriously calling me out for squashing this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) As I have said, its one of the worst posts to try and make a case off of. I don't even have to look up other posts to contradict it. It contradicts itself! I really don't have to start a case with you. You've made that for yourself day 1, and I feel like there are others that we can sniff out. Honestly, going from + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? to this post above mine should speak volumes. If you have any more meat to this case against me beyond "He voted for me, time to vote for him" I would love to know. As for whom I would like to call out, + Show Spoiler + I'm suspicious of Darkfirex5. He seems to be trying to shift focus away from Anacletus, and this is why I think that. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) He's already done this twice in this day, pointing out small flaws and meaningless details in my posts to try and get an argument started against me. My strategy to deal with it was to stamp it out. Just because I'm putting pressure on someone, though, doesn't mean I'm not looking for more reads. There are at least 4 mafia in this game, and town needs to find them all to win. Darkfire: I still haven't gotten an answer for this post. Mind filling me in on the details? Like how you are trying to shift blame off of one of the scummiest players at the time to someone else on such a triviality? Unvorgiven_ve: Where the hell have you been, and why is it that the person the mafia hit has you #1 on their list? DahDum: I've still got my reasons for suspecting you, and having Brood call you out only to not respond for 1.5 days adds to the suspicion. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 11:16 Anacletus wrote: This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!" I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now. There are many types of mafia play style. Your theory is based on assumptions, a pretty horrible reason to lynch someone. I can just as easily assume that the scum are killing off people that ARE on the right track, and keeping people like me, aka people who are not yet on the right track and have been brought up multiple times, alive. Honestly, the people that keep bringing me up are 3. Dahdum, Darkfire, and YOU. All of you have brought up asinine things in my posting, typing errors, assumptions based on how they believe scum to be playing, ect. I've addressed them all. You got away with bad play day 1, and now you are trying to accuse me of being scum simply because I voted for Brood. Hint: YOU voted for brood. And if I were to ASSUME you are town, why the hell would you bring up someone who switched from you (a town according to you) to someone we believed was acting scummy? I've bolded my question to you. ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:21 Anacletus wrote: Well, this could turn out interesting Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 08:08 BioSC wrote: Fair enough. I would probably be more suspicious of you if you weren't of me. I wanted to address this because I felt it trivial to discuss when there was more obvious things to consider and talk about. Especially when you don't even have the quote in context. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote: Lastly: Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote: Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5. On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Shocking, to state that I don't trust someone in a mafia game. Again, I've stated my reason for switching votes. Since you can't be bothered looking it up, here it is: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 05:45 BioSC wrote: Back to the case at hand. I've stated multiple times that I believe Anacletus to be scum, however, with the recent case against BXE, I'm inclined to swap my vote to him. The biggest reason I am to swap my vote over, is this line in Austin's case. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote: If that makes sense, and recent action just doesn't support a scenario where Anac is scum and Brood is town, then we should take out Brood. We can deal with Anac later if he IS scum, because he's got no chance to be really disruptive after his start. Both players have had people call them out on being scummy. However, due to Anac losing all credit with the town, regardless of affiliation, it would be tough for him ,should he be mafia, to get any ball rolling on someone else in town. It's not a forgiveness for bad play, its a delay in action for a scum target appearing more scummy near the end of the day. ## Unvote ## Vote BroodKingEXE Town gained more information from lynching someone acting a bit less scummy, than someone who was playing so awful that they were a detriment no matter what team they were on. As to you voting for BKE just to save your own skin... Yeah, there is a better way to do that. Make a case against someone who is playing scummy, like we told you about 5 times. The way you were playing yesterday probably meant we weren't going to believe you, but that is what it is. Voting for someone you believe isn't scum? That shouldn't be a town strategy. That is the strategy of scum that got saved by a bad town play. I haven't tied you to anyone. I've been pointing out your scummy plays. Something YOU have failed to do so far in your case against me. As to your "Late Vote" Theory, there were 3 swapped votes in the same hour. Mine, Yours, and DahDum's. There were 4 people who switched later, including the hour of lynch time. Honestly, if you ARE town, I don't even think you know why you are making a case against me. If you are mafia, then the obvious reason would be to get a ball rolling on someone who's been vocal in the thread, so to make it "easier" to garner votes towards me. | ||
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On May 14 2012 20:49 Anacletus wrote: You're not even refuting or countering any of my points with validations for your actions anymore: Yes, I am. Did you even read my last post? Show nested quote + Again, I've stated my reason for switching votes. Since you can't be bothered looking it up, here it is: I've stated several times that I am not voting for you solely based on your reasoning for changing votes. I would like to know where I wrote that your only reason for voting was me changing. I addressed each of your bad points, including this one. Show nested quote + Make a case against someone who is playing scummy, like we told you about 5 times. You're pretty condescending for someone who doesn't address any of the points I've made against them, but instead creates round-about posts that pretty aggressive. And YOU apparently lack the ability to read my posts, or just read what you want to see and ignore all the rest of my points. Care to answer my question back from before? I'm still waiting. You've tried to tie me to darkfire several times. Link Please. The only one linking yourself to Dark is YOU, in your case against me. We can't lynch more than one person per day so I'm not aiming for a complete mafia call out - I am just convinced that you are mafia. I've also said several times that I believe that FirmTofu is mafia as well based on your posting similarities. But I guess you overlooked that. Show nested quote + Honestly, if you ARE town, I don't even think you know why you are making a case against me. Got me there! Wait, not really, try reading my last couple of posts. I have. I still believe this Show nested quote + If you are mafia, then the obvious reason would be to get a ball rolling on someone who's been vocal in the thread, so to make it "easier" to garner votes towards me. So your defense now is: "I'M NOT MAFIA, HE'S MAFIA"? Let's say the town DOES finally decide to hang me, you don't think I'll end the day with someone like "Okay, once you hang me go after BioSC and FirmTofu"? You can say whatever you want, if you flip as scummy as you are playing, it won't matter what you say. I feel like your strategy is pretty near-sighted for being a mafia. Your cute plan of trying to get whoever ShiaoPi was fingering more imaginative. Now who's being condescending/aggressive? Adding cute to your points doesn't make them any better. I believe ShiaoPi far more than I believe you, because HE flipped town. YOU on the other hand have been scummy since min. one. Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me. | ||
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On May 15 2012 03:00 Mufaa wrote: BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up? I have contributed. Have you not noticed the little back and forth me and ana have been doing today? | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:40 Anacletus wrote: I fucking told you guys to lynch BioSC. Now do it. Calm down. There were obviously enough people who thought your case wasn't strong enough to vote for me. What is more concerning is the fact that there have been lurkers now for 2 voting cycles straight. | ||
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Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it. This post in particular stood out to me: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked. The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0 Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum) I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote: I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck. I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/ I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is. I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town. Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me. This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know: 1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum? 2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot? 3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town? ## Vote Anacletus | ||
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I'm not the vigi. I also have a suspicion, and that it is whomever randomly got the power from our modkilled townie way back when. Honestly a roleclaim to that vigi would be a huge discussion point, and shouldn't be done lightly. Also, with regards to DahDum, yeah, I admit I was suspicious of him. Obviously, I was wrong, but I had never voted for him, only the person I found scummy at the time. As to Anac/Dahdum, I've responded as well as I thought I could have to Anac's case against me, and I feel like mine against him is stronger. I wish I could comment on Dahdum, but he never actually laid out anything significant. Honestly I believe he was just on the wrong track, and simply bandwagoning. What do you think of my post towards Anacletus? | ||
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On May 17 2012 09:26 Anacletus wrote: I'm lurking with cause. I feel like the town is doing a good job right now, and normally when I try to say something all shit breaks loose, so I figured that since you guys are on a good track I might as well let this go. How is town on a good track again? Since the day started, we've had 6/7 people post. We have 3 votes for 3 different people. Most of the people having posted a one sentence "I'm going to look through filters." or "Here's my vote, see you when night comes" This is NOT a good track if you are belonging to town! The only 2 people that are contributing to any kind of discussion are me and austin, but we are both discussing 2 different things, while NO ONE has commented on ANYTHING posted by either of us, or posted anything meaningful towards whom they think is the next scumtarget! This game would be a complete farce if austin were to be lynched simply by being The first person to be voted for! You still haven't addressed my comments made towards you, Anacletus. I would appreciate if you didn't bury them. Also, Austin: I want to know your opinion on my case towards Anacletus. You've given a read on everyone but him recently. I want to know people's thoughts about Mufaa's actions this game. Town FINALLY hits a Scum, and it seems like no one is going through his filter and looking for patterns but myself. If you believe that Anacletus is scum, why would you try and vote lurkers and not someone you believe is scum? I want some discussion, and if its going to only be with you, so be it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote: Lets just pause for one second. Are we really going to vote with someone who multiple confirmed townies have called out since day 1, has had inconsistent posting patterns, and is now tunneling against the person who has been calling him out since day 2? Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it. This post in particular stood out to me: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked. The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0 Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum) I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote: I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck. I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/ I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is. I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town. Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me. This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know: 1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum? 2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot? 3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town? ## Vote Anacletus | ||
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On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote: Bio my honest answer right now is... Sweet jesus I don't want to look through his filter. Any time I start, I see myself defending him on D1 as noob town. Everything on D1, everything since, I can still read as noob town or as scum. I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him). Which is, frankly, not helpful. I got through your filter and a full gameread, but didn't get around to his because I seriously don't even want to wade in. I will make myself do some looking tonight, but I will probably mainly be reading your case and others' cases on him, because I just start to confuse myself when I look at his filter. I know, but honestly his filter isn't that bad. Most of it is the flabbergasted postings from day 1 then the case on me. Like I said, recently his posts are just fluff. The reads are there, and frankly it's lazy to just assume he won't make a push on anyone. He did manage to get 3 people to vote for me Day 2. I don't want people to just ignore him because of the shoddy play. It could be what the scum planned for, as meta as that sounds. | ||
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On May 17 2012 10:55 FirmTofu wrote: Hey Bio, what do you think of austin? Do you think he is scummy for leading the lynch on two townies? Do his actions seem contradictory to you? Why or why not? I'll provide my thoughts after BioSC responds. Perhaps I'm just new, but why would you need to wait to post your read on austin after hearing mine? Why don't you just post what you are thinking? Help get discussions going? | ||
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As you asked, here it goes. His total sum actions to me, came as scummy. If you bothered to read my Anacletus post, there are reasons in there about why, but for brevity's sake, here are a few. Led/contributed to lynches on 2 townies, one being a blue. Night 1, I was inclined to believe that it was an honest mistake. I changed my vote based on his case and BKE's actions that day, as did many others. Looking at his voting history doesn't exactly help him in that regard, something even he has stated. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 08:18 austinmcc wrote: That, and so many other questions I know I tunneled him and drove that wagon, but as the day kept going his responses just looked worse and worse. Time for some rereading and a hard look at how votes moved. Also, with him and the confirmed scum Mufaa never voting for Anacletus, someone I believe to be scum as well, it doesn't read highly towards town to me. With everything that has happened, It's tough to just toss it away as being unlucky. Coincidences usually happen once or twice. Multiple times, well, that means there is a pattern. So if you want my read, there it is. I feel he's scummy. Now. Back to YOU. Again, why do you feel the need to withhold information from the town, asking for others' input before giving your own? That comes off as scummy to me. It comes off as you fishing for information to make the best case against someone, so you can vote in the best interest of your team. That shouldn't be a town strategy. Town, during the day, should be sharing as much information as they can, to make the best decision possible, especially considering that we are winding down with # of people and the obvious # of lurkers we have in this game. Your last 5 posts have been nothing but fishing for information from people who were posting at the time. Why is that? You wanted a list of people whom I believed to be scummy. Here it is, updated since the Mufaa shot. | ||
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On May 17 2012 13:45 Anacletus wrote: And thank you for calling me a self-centered brat, I will be sure to compile this alongside the other ad hominem that I've receiced, like how my posts aren't worth reading, or how mafia writes my posts for me because I must be too stupid to write them myself. And this is getting off-topic, so I'll stop defending myself from baseless attacks now. [Hr] I'm leaving my vote where it is until I have substantial reason to do otherwise. ((Out of Game: Anacletus, it appears that you have taken offense to some posts in the thread. I can only speak for myself, but if my posts came across as aggressive and insulting to your character, I sincerely, truly, apologize for that. I never meant to attack anyone's character in this game, only their arguments. If you believed me to be attacking you, again, I am sorry for that. What I do NOT like, is people putting words into my mouth to make it seem like I am trying to insult people. I assume the posts you are referring to are these made by me. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: @Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper. NOWHERE did I say that you were too unintelligent to form your own posts. I was noting the vast difference in your posts from day 1 to now. Don't imply that I think you are unintelligent, when it simply isn't true. + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:57 BioSC wrote: Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me. I say here that I believe your arguments against me aren't worth addressing, because I felt like I answered them sufficiently to not warrant repeating myself. Don't imply that I haven't read your posts. I've read each and every post made by each person in this game. Once again, I'm sorry if my posts came across as insulting to your character. But please do not imply that I am a person that insults others over the internet. I believe I was raised better than that. /end Out of Game)) | ||
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1) He's a scum: After going most of the game completely untested by the town, the vig gets a miracle shot off on one of his teammates, and due to the links between him and Mufaa, combined with his position among the town, he decides to melt down and try to throw everyone off the radar of the last mafia, leaving 1 vs 6ish town. 2) He's a Townie: He's been called out since day one, had about 90% of the vote before getting saved by the lynch on BXE. Day 2, he shapes up his posting style, makes a case on me, which is largely ignored by the town at large. Day 3, combined with my constant pressure on his actions and even your admittance that you've been ignoring him, he melts down and decides that his lynch would allow the town to more completely focus on finding scum without him there to confuse us. Which do you feel is more likely? Honestly, 2) is seeming much more likely at this point, as hard as it is for me to say. The evidence against him is staggering, I feel, and it's obviously tough for me to admit that I'm wrong. Like you said yesterday, 1) seems like it is just so far down the rabbit hole that it makes no sense, especially for a newbie game. | ||
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote: Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet. BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming. Tofu: I've been pretty transparent in this day voting. If there is something you want me to address, go ahead and post it. I'm not worried about you making a case at me, I just want to address it and move on to actually finding scum. | ||
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I want to help you help yourself. If you are truly town like you say you are, help me believe you. Due to recent events, I can't commit my vote as I would like to. There are too many questions, and not enough answers. ##Unvote | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:18 austinmcc wrote: Bio, I read it as (2). I got called out for ignoring his posts before, rightfully so, and no, his filter wasn't as long or bad as I'd convinced myself it was. I read him town last night, and his self-vote feels legitimately frustrated to me. I wish he'd pop back in and give some thoughts on how the Mufaa flip alters his scumteam. Your unvote takes it to 2/2 on anac and I, with his 2nd vote coming in earlier. I don't like either of those options. So right now based on the way the votes are, I'm inclined to lynch into our more lurk-y players, and finally start to back up my requests with a rope. Something else I've thought about last night before I went to bed, was the possibility of us 4 discussing/bringing up topics in this day vote (You, Me, Tofu, Anacletus) are all Town, and that the remaining mafia members are the lurkers waiting to come in and swing vote whomever has the most votes at the time. With Tofu's case against me coming up, I highly suspect he will be voting for me, and possibly dragging Anacletus along with him. That would still leave you with the lynch, unless of course votes are swapped. Say you believe that us 4 are town. You've at least stated that you believe that You, FirmTofu, and Anacletus are town. If you had to lynch a lurker by your own definition, who reads as strongest scum to you? At this point, hitting a lurker feels more right to me, again, tough to say based on my own case against Ana. It's fine if you read me as scum. I want to prove to town that I'm not. My unvote I hope moves thought in that direction. I feel that if you believe me as scum, I have more to risk by unvoting Anacletus and discussing a lynch on lurkers more than if I kept with my vote on Ana. It's not something I'm completely 100% sold on, but I feel like the possibility of us 4 being all town needs to come up. | ||
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With regards to Tofu, I suppose I'm going to have to wait to see what the fuss is all about on this "Mega Post". I don't know why it's taken this long for someone to make the post about me, but it is what it is. If Tofu is set on his vote, and I can't convince him otherwise, I feel like my only option would be to look into a lurker lynch, or fall back to my original vote. I will look through the lurkers filters again as well, though I'm leaning towards Hyaach as being the scummiest lurker right now. His "suspicions" are simply just a fishnet as of now, with no real reasoning behind them. I'm going to try and see if there are any connections between the 3 lurkers and Mufaa, though as of right now the biggest connection between them is that they were all mostly low post count lurkers >.< | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:23 austinmcc wrote: And of course, in WIFOM-world, you chose the guy who's in a time zone that would mean he's asleep during this time period. We can be almost certain that he's not coming back in to defend himself. So I'd like to see some more reasoning from you on why you like him over the other two, especially if Tofu is still working on some post about how he's convinced that you're scum. Fair enough. My decision to FoS him was not his timezone. Honestly I didn't even know where he lived, all I knew was that his posts were generally not helpful and really focused on Anacletus. Does that make him scum to me? Well, if I said yes, it sure would look bad for me as well. The reason I find him scummy right now is that he was so completely focused on Anacletus, up until his vote for you Day 3. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 20:39 Hyaach wrote: ##vote Austinmcc Show nested quote + On May 15 2012 03:00 Mufaa wrote: EBWOP: Meant to preview notpost,please disregard the darkfire portion above and use this one. Darkfirex5 My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote: sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote: I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no? But if he's town, shit. Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: Show nested quote + On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote: No edits are allowed. IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually. And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything. I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 03:56 FirmTofu wrote: What... I said that purely in jest, teasing him about the newbie game that just completed. I didn't think you guys would go batshit insane over it. On May 11 2012 00:23 Crossfire99 wrote: He posted less than an hour into the day and he makes a reference to a previous game. I don't know what happened in the previous game, but it seems like dahdum was mafia and Firmtofu wasn't and that the town lost (I infer this from his little >< face). It seems like he is complimenting dahdum's play and hopes they are on the same side. What's bad about that? As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though. Crossfire put it best. dahdum was in a game before this and I just commented on how I hope he isn't scum again because he played well last game. I didn't think I was acting suspicious at all, but apparently it was? Regardless, we should switch up our votes onto some more scummy targets. There are certain people that are playing very pro-town right now, but may be doing so just to gain the town's trust. It's extremely hard to tell from just Day 1 behavior, so I think our best for a lynch would be to hunt those people who are genuinely acting scummy or playing poorly. Anacletus seems like the perfect target to start. On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote: I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no? But if he's town, shit. This quote is suspicious, for reasons mentioned previously my numerous people. However, there is an interesting phrasing of words I find rather intriguing. See bold. What motive would anyone have to say that sentence. Is it not already a statement of fact? Why did he feel the need to reiterate something that is quite obvious to everyone that is playing: If we lynch Tofu and he's town, then we are in trouble. Well, no shit Sherlock. Generally when town people die, the mafia gets farther ahead. Here's my theory. Anacletus knows I am town, because I'm not on his mafia team. Therefore, he knows if and when I get lynched, I will flip town. That statement is guilt insurance and a scum tell because of it. He is trying to insure himself now so that later, he can say "Aw crap, well I was wrong, but look at my previous post where I admitted I might be wrong!" When town members vote people, they don't know whether they are right or wrong. When mafia vote people they know the exact alignment of the person they are voting. I believe this knowledge just leaked from Anacletus the mafia. ##vote:Anacletus I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: Show nested quote + On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote: Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5. On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. This would be ok with me, except that he voted for Anac and never switched off of him. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem. On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip? The others I'm less suspicious of but I do have some questions for them I want to ask: BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up? Hyaach- I've noticed you voted for Anac without much of an explination and you tunneled him through day1. Since then you've said you're suspicious of people but instead of providing cases, you never follow up or ask other people for their opinions on the matter. Somewhat suspicious to me and I'll be watching this. Crossfire- I'm not sure what I think of him yet. His reason for not switching to BKE was pretty solid but since then his only case has been on me for not leading a lynch on a townie when there were 2hrs left in d1. Would like to see some more content. FirmTofu- You jumped on the BKE lynch after austinmcc's post where he says "I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now." Now his most recent post d2 is questioning austinmcc for the mislynch and implying Anac and austinmcc are buddying without any real proof. I don't believe this, but it makes me wonder if you're mafia and supported the BKE lynch because you knew he was town and saw an easy d2 lynch in austin/Anac because you knew that bringing up austin's case would put pressure on austin for the mislynch. Like I said, I have nothing concrete to back that up, but it does make me suspicious of you. austinmcc- Even though he led the mislynch on BKE, his reasonings were sound and his posts have all been solid so far. I'll be watching but you seem town to me. Show nested quote + On May 15 2012 00:39 Mufaa wrote: @ Austin:I called him out on the safer comment too.He ignored me also.Still waiting for a response to that. going through the thread and filters now. I'll get a post up soon. i read through mufaa's filter. he was already listing Austinmcc as the least scummy people in his list from day one. With every other post to either push vote on people or directe FoS onto someone whose not Austinmcc/Unforgiven_ Hell, he even forgot him in his list. Has quite a few post that go along with austinmcc's flow of questioning Austinmcc has led two wrong mislynch. yes this may not be a good reason but its two townies dead. Says he has a town read on FirmTofu. I cant figure this part out. It maybe a trap eitherway. Mufaa was placing FirmTofu as the second least suspicious. Both him and Mufaa has stated times and again that Anac is a bad townie. But I can't seem to link them three together. And i'm actually inclined to believe now that Anac is really a bad townie. My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_ His reasoning is based on Mufaa's list from back in Day 1. Back then, Mufaa had you at the lowest of his tell list. I think he is trying to use that to push votes onto you. Another thing that I find completely out of place is his sudden switch from tunneling Anacletus, to not even having him on the scum list. There's no reasoning behind it. His posts day 1 and 2 were all about Ana, yet Day 3 when posting his scumteam, Ana's not on it? Very suspicious. Finally, his posts in between pressuring Ana and the Day 3 vote are more useless fluff posts, like these: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 12:20 Hyaach wrote: bad play town bad play. I was asleep from my last post to now. Going to read what happened inbetween. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 02:38 Hyaach wrote: Hello people. Are we all dead yet? What are everyone's thoughts from last night? + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 19:55 Hyaach wrote: Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter. In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess. 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On May 18 2012 05:51 austinmcc wrote: I don't like those as "fluff" though. He's not really filling a filter to make himself look active, there's no intent on his part to do anything other than be modkilled. Gah. Also, i SWORE there was some post from him about his location saying Singapore but him being in ... Germany? Did I entirely make that up? Anyone remember that from any player? I don't know. I vaguley recall something like that, but it's not in his filter. To me, it's a relative term. Fluff for someone like him is a simple one-line post that doesn't contribute anything to the conversation going on at the time. The majority of his small filter is like that. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:44 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Dammit, i was writing a large post and power went out -.-. let me summarize Hyaach: you can see on Mufaa's filter that he did not attacked me because i was the first telling i was suspicions on him. I belive he did this because he didnt wanted to attrack more attention to him form the people who had a FoS on him. I think this is a normal play by a mafia. Besides this one argument i would like to know another reasons to suspect me (like austin strangely said, maybe to start some new bandwagon?) The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and Show nested quote + and being under the radar in general) posting this now, going to formulate a new post based on BroodKingEXE, ShiaoPi, Hyaach (page 7 to 8) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? | ||
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Anacletus: I know you are feeling pretty helpless right now, but the best thing you could do right now is to get on and actually contribute. Read my last few posts directed to you and get on. Some contribution from you is better than a /suicide in this game. I feel like we are missing someone's vote, whom hasn't voted yet? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:14 Unforgiven_ve wrote: 1.) + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2012 06:02 BioSC wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 05:44 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Dammit, i was writing a large post and power went out -.-. let me summarize Hyaach: you can see on Mufaa's filter that he did not attacked me because i was the first telling i was suspicions on him. I belive he did this because he didnt wanted to attrack more attention to him form the people who had a FoS on him. I think this is a normal play by a mafia. Besides this one argument i would like to know another reasons to suspect me (like austin strangely said, maybe to start some new bandwagon?) The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and Show nested quote + and being under the radar in general) posting this now, going to formulate a new post based on BroodKingEXE, ShiaoPi, Hyaach (page 7 to 8) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? You said it? AT THE BEGGINING of the game, please, dont quote if you are not gonna read all the filter and take it out of context, i clearly said: Show nested quote + My suspicions on Anacletus RAISED big time, but he's not my main read tho. In case i get killed (but i doubt it after this) my FoS goes to austincc. I feel he is actually playing whit the town's "mind", he (both times) just goes super agressive on someone and gets lynched right away, he's using his good redaction skills to throw analysis at the end of both days. I will quote nothing, im gonna stick whit this, its pretty obvious for me now. About anacletus im beliving now he's just a bad player who got lucky two times. Watch his filter and see the big difference on his posting now. ##FoS austincc and Anacletus 2.) + Show Spoiler + Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? My response, something i have alrewady posted too. : Show nested quote + you dont see me posting LONG DEPTH ANALYSIS because we havent had much to work on, besides lame reads based of a couple posts, i want to base my suspicions on actions, how people behave and voting patterns. (i confess, i thought this game were the kind in wich you get subtle clues and histories for night actions.) ALL of us just hadn't much information, just now we have a few things to base our cases, as i just said, i was (hardly) writign a big post and the fxxing power went out. Unforgiven's post. I'm taking nothing out of context. I'm reading what YOU said, which is that: On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc Now, I looked through your filter, trust me. I found both of those posts. The post YOU linked/quoted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=21#406 I found that on page 21 of the thread. Want to know where I found the quote I did? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#199 Page 10. You tell me what post would be closer to "The beginning of the game" My question still stands. What are you trying to say with that quote, and WHY is there a contradiction? To your second half of your post: We need reads from you. You've offered next to nothing. Making reads and sharing them with town is how the town figures out who is/isn't scum. Care to make a read on someone? Why is Austin your #1, when "At the beginning of the game" you didn't suspect him, contradicting your claim to the post you made earlier in the day? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:40 Unforgiven_ve wrote: BioSC: in case you are refering to this sole line Show nested quote + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc i meant about the GOLDEN night kill from our vigilante, i just got exited i guess lol Yes. I wanted to know why you instantly went to austin, when it was heavily implied that you suspected him from the start of the game, which as I pointed out wasn't true. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, do you just not care at all in this game? If you are in this thread this close to the deadline, I want some input from you. What is your take on everything discussed? Why shouldn't we vote you for lurking? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:52 Unforgiven_ve wrote: If ana or austin turns townie, im fucked. i dont have any good read on anyone else yet. That's our point. I realized this yesterday night, that it's possible that I'm completely wrong with my leads and that we need to focus on finding someone with the highest possibility of being scum. Which is why we wanted you and the other people who don't post all that much to come in and contribute thoughts, so we can try to come up with the best lynch. THAT is why people were calling you out. It's not scummy to post thoughts, It's scummy and overall bad play to just sit back and watch townies get lynched without saying anything. | ||
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At this point, I'm pretty convinced that a lurker lynch would be the best course today. We've got Unforgiven to contribute, which is nice. Not that it removes all suspicion off of him, but it's at least a start. Crossfire: Are you locked in on your Anacletus vote? What of the other lurker as of today, Hyaach? Anacletus: Are you committing suicide in the night phase regardless of the vote today? If so, I don't want to risk lynching a townie if you are just going to /out in the night Austin: Are you confident in your read on the lurkers? Even if I believed you, we would need at least one more vote to secure a lynch. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:57 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Do you swear on Jim Raynor's life you are townie? lol That's the thing, if any of us dies, its GG. Mafia vs Lurkers. I see you/bio are the ones really pushing people. pd: this just came to my mind, what if you to are the 2 mafia? Classic ending day swap? pd2: i just have 10 more minutes, then i have to go out and do some stuff. Make me change my mind, we still have a chance, why is there no possibility of you and bio are mafia? I can swear on whatever you want, at the end of the day, its what I know from my PM and what people's perceptions of me are. I know I'm town, and I've stayed that way since day 1. This morning, I removed my unvote from Anacletus to try and get him to contribute, but it obviously hasn't worked. If I was scum, why would I need to put my neck out? I had the majority against him at the time, even if he switched off himself and onto me at the deadline. If I were scum, why would I do that? I want to prove I'm town, and if it means I have to admit I might be wrong about Anacletus, then so be it. My read is that Austin is town, barely. He has been rather unlucky in his cases, but has made valid points that more than just mafia have been convinced by. | ||
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On May 18 2012 07:13 austinmcc wrote: Leaving work and driving home now. Should be back with ~30 minutes to deadline. Fair enough. At this point, there would be 3 votes for Hyacch should I go with my instinct and vote him. I note your observation about the amount of content posted and when. Either way Hyacch flips, it will be an interesting discussion come night/day 4. I am also interested in what FirmTofu had to say about me, and what he gathered from my filter, if only to get a read from him off of it. For now, I'm going to go with my gut choice, and put my vote towards Hyaach. ##Vote Hyaach | ||
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All I can do now is defend myself against Firm's case. Hopefully it's enough to sway enough people towards not lynching me, but it may be too late for that. I'm off for the night, good luck to the rest of town. To the medic, if we have one, protect the one you believe that is on the most correct path. | ||
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On May 18 2012 13:12 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I don't like that I'm seeing the “if you kill me you gonna regret it“ defense. We can do better than that What do I have to go on? People are switching to me and posting nothing about it. Like I said in my post, until Tofu comes in with his super amazing going to save the day post about me, I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. Now I'm really off for the night. Tomorrow, I will be free to discuss. | ||
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FirmTofu: You have no reason now to withold your case about me. None at all. I don't particularly care what your reasons are out of thread, for all I and anyone else knows you could be making things up. That being said, if you don't post your case and mafia shoots you, the game will be all but over. Post your case, I'll argue against it, and the rest of town can decide for themselves. To the Town: If Tofu's case against me is mostly about yesterday's lynch, I strongly urge you all to look into that as being scummy. Ask yourselves why he withheld this case for 2 RL days. Did he not have any decisive evidence? Did he want to make sure I suggested a lynch on a townie so he could frame me for it? Either way, I sincerely doubt that this post was so long and detailed that it took nearly 2 days to finish. If I were truly scum, him posting that case may have saved a blue. | ||
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On May 19 2012 09:04 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2012 08:12 BioSC wrote: Of course, I can blame lurking all I want. Mafia didn't even have to do anything. Town basically killed itself. this is true, but we lurked not because we wanted, it was really real life fucking it up. Day 3 lynch i really declined some action just to play lol. My roleblock to Hyaach for 2 days was just gosu skill ;D GG everyone I honestly believe we had a shot to win if we would have lynched one of you two day 3. UGH I'm gonna go be depressed for a while. | ||
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