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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On May 02 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote: wbg told me (PMs) that he had a spreadsheet done and would post it after he comes from work or something. I'm waiting for him atm. @VE: *sigh* really? Random list of scumreads with 0 reasoning behind them? @Katina: Could you give more thorough reasoning for thinking ET/Radfield are scum? At least taking into account their recent play/lack of play? And again post some reasoning for thinking Palmar is mafia. We can talk about Palmar tonight or tomorrow because he isn't on the chopping block and debating his alignment is not important right now and we need to figure out who to lynch. As for ET and Rafield they haven't been helpful to the town. EcholenTee has claimed to being busy with school so therefore has not been able to contibute. He wrote recent posts but they felt very jumbled, he commented of four different things but didn't bring anything new to the table. I felt like he was just making that post because he had to not because he wanted to. While Radfield has been here but chosen to measure his penis instead with VE instead of helping the town. This goes back to my earlier argument while he appears to be active is he really helping the town? It certainly doesn't feel like it. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 02 2012 05:55 Palmar wrote: How is it in any way beneficial to fuck with me if you're town. Seriously, fuck you, you're being dumb. Let me put this another way: How is it any way beneficial to work together with you if you're scum. Seriously, fuck you, go look in the mirror. (<3 the mirror image posted by Meapak) On May 02 2012 05:57 Palmar wrote: this game is stupid, arrogant and dumb townies or mafia are fucking with me and it's boring. I'll spread my votes on anyone that isn't cephiro, chaoser, VE and sandroba I think. mostly gonna make sure rad and prplhz stay alive, probably wiggles too, he seems towny enough. So, you start the game by claiming yourself King and moving on to asking everyone to claim to you. Sure, we're arrogant and dumb for not blindly believing in you. I'm sorry my lord, but if you want respect, earn it. If you claim to have the power to get me killed today, and all the other stuff you talked about, why would you care about a few dumb townies? Use your power oh mighty king. On May 02 2012 06:13 gonzaw wrote: To Cephiro: Dude, I don't get wtf you are doing. Like really. People ask you reads and you start bickering about how you don't need to post them and you are "waiting for the right time" or some shit. Then, you accuse Palmar's "allies" (I guess you mean syllo) that they leak info, and when asked to justify yourself, you go on to spout some mystical bullshit about how "telling you the obvious wouldn't be fun" and shit. Really, you seem to act like Chezinu and those other guys that troll the hell out of games. But why the fuck would you troll this game if you were town? You can't say "Oh you can't use meta because good players change their meta". ...if you are town and play good you don't need to change your meta. In fact, being town you NEED to stay to your meta so people (even those "retards that use meta" (hyperbole here) that you talk about) have it easier to figure out you are town. I can't see any reason why you would willingly change your meta, or act different than it if you are town, specially since you played very good in that game as town; and now you are playing like shit, creating chaos with your bickering, not giving any reads or reasoning behind them, and just running around trolling people. I don't find any town motivation for you to act this way, so I still think you are scum. I'd like people to avoid voting you. Also, wtf is with this? + Show Spoiler + To everyone using "meta": What on earth is wrong with you people? Are you seriously saying that the TL players are so poor that you can just metagame them? How about playing based on what people do this game instead of comparing it to other games. I am starting to get fed up seeing the words "based on meta" come up in every few posts. Okay, if you don't like using meta yourself, then fine, don't use meta yourself. But are you really undermining every use of meta? Are you really saying that every player here is a "Mafia God" who can change metas as they will when they are scum and fool everybody 100% of the time or something? Players here can make mistakes or play badly every once in a while. When they do that as scum we do find them using meta. Why are you against this? Are you just going to assume everybody in this game is Akiyama or Yokoya and that you need elaborate plans and shit to catch them? Do you really think that or are you bluffing now to avoid doing anything constructive? If someone thinks Cephiro is town, please state why you think so. If you really think the correct way for town in every situation is to play "calm and analytical", you're playing the wrong game. The "Basic Handbook Townie", is nowhere neal optimal play in several cases, and there are various valid reasons why one shouldn't. Again I repeat, if you think that or cannot come up for the reasons why, you're playing the wrong game. So tell me this, is it easier to change up your meta to deceive others, or is it easier to read the meta of another player with full certainty? On May 02 2012 07:18 EchelonTee wrote: RE: The gonzaw/Cephiro back and forth The two bolded parts are the significant parts of gonzaw case, and ones that I find to be pretty true; Cephiro was initially active but since has done no scumhunting. This is especially ironic considering his response: So simply because I was on when the game started and opposed a few plans I was initially active and did scumhunting? No. I have since done no scumhunting? False. Just because I don't scumhunt in the way I did in one game, or in a way you expect me to, does not mean I am not doing it. Unless something drastical happens, my votes today will be split between VE & MZ. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On May 02 2012 08:50 Cephiro wrote: If you really think the correct way for town in every situation is to play "calm and analytical", you're playing the wrong game. The "Basic Handbook Townie", is nowhere neal optimal play in several cases, and there are various valid reasons why one shouldn't. Again I repeat, if you think that or cannot come up for the reasons why, you're playing the wrong game. So tell me this, is it easier to change up your meta to deceive others, or is it easier to read the meta of another player with full certainty? Wtf? You are still confusing the hell out of me. What do you mean by "playing the wrong game"? And what the hell is up with the bolded question? Why the hell would you even try to change up your meta to deceive others if you are town? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 02 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote: Wtf? You are still confusing the hell out of me. What do you mean by "playing the wrong game"? And what the hell is up with the bolded question? Why the hell would you even try to change up your meta to deceive others if you are town? I simply mean that you should not be playing Mafia if you do not understand the points I have addressed. There is no such thing as "confirmed town meta", as the same player could simply act towards his "confirmed town meta", if he were scum. As I said, not in every situation is playing a calm and analytical town optimal play. But let's continue this in PMs, unless you still wish to continue your useless bitchslaps at me in the thread? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If we PM about it, then all that info will be hidden and it would have been pointless to argue in the first place. I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything, so I don't see why we should continue in PMs. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
On May 02 2012 09:03 gonzaw wrote: I won't continue anything in PMs because I want all town to know what we are arguing about, and I want all town to know the points I'm arguing about. If we PM about it, then all that info will be hidden and it would have been pointless to argue in the first place. I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything, so I don't see why we should continue in PMs. Town doesn't give a shit what you two are arguing about at this point. Take it to PMs, if someone claims scum then you can come back and yell in the thread. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 02 2012 08:50 Cephiro wrote: Let me put this another way: How is it any way beneficial to work together with you if you're scum. Seriously, fuck you, go look in the mirror. (<3 the mirror image posted by Meapak) So, you start the game by claiming yourself King and moving on to asking everyone to claim to you. Sure, we're arrogant and dumb for not blindly believing in you. I'm sorry my lord, but if you want respect, earn it. If you claim to have the power to get me killed today, and all the other stuff you talked about, why would you care about a few dumb townies? Use your power oh mighty king. If you really think the correct way for town in every situation is to play "calm and analytical", you're playing the wrong game. The "Basic Handbook Townie", is nowhere neal optimal play in several cases, and there are various valid reasons why one shouldn't. Again I repeat, if you think that or cannot come up for the reasons why, you're playing the wrong game. So tell me this, is it easier to change up your meta to deceive others, or is it easier to read the meta of another player with full certainty? So simply because I was on when the game started and opposed a few plans I was initially active and did scumhunting? No. I have since done no scumhunting? False. Just because I don't scumhunt in the way I did in one game, or in a way you expect me to, does not mean I am not doing it. Unless something drastical happens, my votes today will be split between VE & MZ. wtf why are you wasting votes on VE? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On May 02 2012 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Both of you shut up now ^ | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 02 2012 09:10 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf why are you wasting votes on VE? Because I don't think he should die yet. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
and yet you've offered no alternative? I like how your reasoning is "because he shouldn't die yet" and not "because I think VE is town." you have no balls, scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 02 2012 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote: and yet you've offered no alternative? I like how your reasoning is "because he shouldn't die yet" and not "because I think VE is town." you have no balls, scum. Votes are used to keep someone alive no? Not voting is essentially lynching. He is certainly not the towniest person out there, but he should by no means be the first person to get killed. There are players that are much more concerning to me. PS: I just checked and I was right, I do still have a pair of balls. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 02 2012 09:20 Cephiro wrote: Votes are used to keep someone alive no? Not voting is essentially lynching. He is certainly not the towniest person out there, but he should by no means be the first person to get killed. There are players that are much more concerning to me. PS: I just checked and I was right, I do still have a pair of balls. again, LIKE WHOM? You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are. If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him? | ||
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