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On May 02 2012 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
prplhz & sandroba
Do you think I am magically going to convince the town to not vote for them after all the back & forth crap with gonzaw?
Please point out where I have said the bolded. I am not using my votes to simply stack them up on my strongest townreads, as I feel it is more important for me to save VE from getting killed currently.
If I feel there are more likely persons scum than VE, and VE is about to die, why should I let him die?
Also, I am also voting for my strong townreads, (MZ), as I want try to ensure that no tricky disco maneuvers get him killed.
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On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.
I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.
They're gooooooooood too.
On May 01 2012 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, right now I'd lynch into wherebugsgo, chaoser, syllogism.
That's my story. I'll provide reasoning if any of these players are in the majority in Phase B.
to quote Ace:
How does that even work...
On May 02 2012 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter Sheth - I'm going to be voted off today because I was scumhunting and scum are in power. It's standard operating procedure.
Isn't this just giving up?
On May 01 2012 15:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually - don't answer that. It doesn't even matter.
I'm giving my votes to Radfield, Sheth, prplhz, Cephiro and MrWiggles. Do whatever the piss you want with that. I'm fine with a Sandroba lynch.
On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.
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On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
prplhz & sandroba Do you think I am magically going to convince the town to not vote for them after all the back & forth crap with gonzaw?
Nice defeatist attitude. Great for town, yeah?
On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:
Please point out where I have said the bolded. I am not using my votes to simply stack them up on my strongest townreads, as I feel it is more important for me to save VE from getting killed currently.
If I feel there are more likely persons scum than VE, and VE is about to die, why should I let him die?
Also, I am also voting for my strong townreads, (MZ), as I want try to ensure that no tricky disco maneuvers get him killed.
You didn't say that exactly, I was incorrect in what I remembered. When I looked back this is what I found that I remembered you saying:
On May 01 2012 21:38 Cephiro wrote:
About voting: I am fine with spreading my votes, or concentrating them on one person mostly, depending on how the persons I find trustworthy would like to act.
I'd like to point out the possibility of voting in "circle", in smaller groups or pairs. For example, let's say everyone agreed that Radfield & Meapak should in no circumstances be lynched today, they could be allowed to simply vote each other to reach the 5 votes. I'd personally suggest groups of 3 & pairs.
So why are you deciding to be the only person to vote for VE?
Again, you don't give a reason for defending VE. You just claim he shouldn't die yet. That's not good enough, and quite frankly it's scummy as fuck because it ruins a lot of the work many of us have done.
As town I don't believe you would be this uncooperative.
Last thing I'll note about Cephiro:
On May 01 2012 11:43 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2012 11:09 gonzaw wrote:Meta is a very effective tool. Most people use it very badly and just say things like "Oh, he was active in that game when he was town, he's inactive right now so he's scum". You have to analyze behaviour and motivation when you use meta. Here is your filter from DF2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=183812You can instantly find differences. For instance, you are calm and analytical. In this game you are overcome by "emotion", you are very aggressive and you don't have a focus on things, you just cling on to something (arguing with me for instance) and stay with it for the rest of the game. When people accuse you (syllogism for instance) and start shitting on you you keep your cool. Now someone FoSes you for the first time and you go on a rampage. In that game you obviously care about the game. You post your thoughts every once in a while to keep up with discussion, and you do it in a straight manner without misdirecting or anything. Here you don't care about discussion either. You started shitting on people for pointing out plans. Then when people want your reads you tell them you won't post shit. Then when someone takes notice of this and FoSes you you flip your shit and tunnel the hell out of him, without even caring about other things from the game. For instance, you don't care about the most important part: finding scum. "Oh, he was analytical and calm in that game when he was town, he's being more "aggressive" now, so he's scum." Do you see what you are doing here? You do realize it doesn't even take a skilled person in psychology to fake that, or act in another way on purpose? As for your final question, my final answer: I will give my reads when I have enough content to back it up.If you think I am scummy for not going around pointing fingers when I am unsure myself... well, I'll let everyone make their conclusions of that. As I said before, I find making one proper case more useful rather than make 3 jabs at different people without anything to back it up. That is all.
So, Cephiro here says he'll give his reads when he has enough content to back them up.
Has he backed up his reads of sandro and prplhz? Nope.
He then says making one proper case is more useful than making 3 jabs at different people without anything to back it up...
well, Cephiro still has no case of his own, (with about 2:10 left in the day or so) and, the best part? He's been jabbing at people just as much as anyone he's arguing with.
Evidence here:
On May 01 2012 10:51 Cephiro wrote:
I sincerely hope you two are not townies. -_-
(at gonzaw + wiggles)
On May 01 2012 21:38 Cephiro wrote:+ Show Spoiler [My Round B Vote List] +--------------------People I would prefer my votes going to: VisceraEyes Meapak_Ziphh Liquid`Sheth --------------------People I am ok voting for: Radfield --------------------People I can vote for if really necessary: Mr. Wiggles EchelonTee --------------------People I will not be voting for today: prplhz chaoser sandroba + Show Spoiler [If I was able to vote for the minority] +
--------------------People I would prefer my votes going to:
Bloodyc0bbler
wherebugsgo
--------------------People I am ok voting for:
Foolishness
gonzaw
--------------------People I can vote for if really necessary:
Palmar
Ace
--------------------People I would not be voting for today:
Katina
syllogism
On May 02 2012 09:32 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 09:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
again, LIKE WHOM?
You keep saying he shouldn't be the first to die and there are others who need to die. The day ends in less than 3 hours and you haven't enlightened us about who those people are.
If he's not the towniest person out there and your previous rationale for voting was to vote people who you thought were town, why the hell is your vote on him?
prplhz & sandroba Do you think I am magically going to convince the town to not vote for them after all the back & forth crap with gonzaw?
note in none of these cases does Cephiro ever give a single shred of reason why he's placed players where he has placed them, nor has he bothered to make a singular case as he said he would prefer gonzaw doing (over jabbing people)
Yet, the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum. Not to mention, he hasn't had a singular focus. The double standard is quite telling.
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LMAO
Bugs accusing of "the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum".
That's rich. Really, that's priceless.
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On May 02 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
LMAO
Bugs accusing of "the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum".
That's rich. Really, that's priceless.
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Yes, ignoring town-members. Quite the pro-town attitude Bugs.
You know, if I were scum, theoretically you could attempt to extract information from me or something.
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Yo Ace, WBG is trying to upstage you bro :D
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On May 02 2012 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Nice defeatist attitude. Great for town, yeah?
Certainly not defeatist, why do you think I'm defying retards like you and Palmar here? Way to go trying to make me look like VE & prplhz.
On May 02 2012 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
So why are you deciding to be the only person to vote for VE?
Again, you don't give a reason for defending VE. You just claim he shouldn't die yet. That's not good enough, and quite frankly it's scummy as fuck because it ruins a lot of the work many of us have done.
As town I don't believe you would be this uncooperative.
False. I say there are people that are scummier than him, and I'd rather try to lynch scum than a scummy/bad townie.
I have given several persons my opinions more in-detail, but as you said yourself, you are totally ignoring me. Why should I try to convince you either in thread or by PM? I see no reason to, you're just being bad.
On May 02 2012 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
So, Cephiro here says he'll give his reads when he has enough content to back them up.
Has he backed up his reads of sandro and prplhz? Nope.
He then says making one proper case is more useful than making 3 jabs at different people without anything to back it up...
You & (especially gonzaw), constantly spammed me about it and wanted to know them even if I did not have evidence to back it up. And now that I do say them anyways, you proceed to call me out for it. BRILLIANT. MVP RIGHT HERE PEOPLE. You should all trust wbg and you've already got this game in the bag.
I won't mind if you'll start tunnelling on me like Gonzaw, that just proves how desperate you are to get rid of me. Scared? You should be.
Also, I said one proper case is more useful than making jabs at different people, BEFORE I told you who I feel are scummier than VE. Not after. Big difference there.
On May 02 2012 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:well, Cephiro still has no case of his own, (with about 2:10 left in the day or so) and, the best part? He's been jabbing at people just as much as anyone he's arguing with. Evidence here: Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 10:51 Cephiro wrote:
I sincerely hope you two are not townies. -_- (at gonzaw + wiggles)
Explain me how that is a jab at them? You're just either too stupid and caught up in your confirmation bias, or intentionally trying to make you look bad. How about you ask Palmar to join in as will, you'll need more than 2 people with retarded reasons to get me killed, even with King Palmar's "influence".
So you say I have no proper case of my own, very well. Would you like to take a look at everyone else that doesn't? I have a feeling almost no-one here has made proper cases so far.
Guess what, WBG HAS NOT MADE A SINGLE PROPER CASE ON SOMEONE HIMSELF, ONLY JABBERING AT VE & ME.
I'll end this with a very quote of his own:
Yet, the closest thing Cephiro has done to scumhunting is just calling people scum. Not to mention, he hasn't had a singular focus. The double standard is quite telling.
And what have you? I'd love to see your singular focus and your scumhunting. 
Your ignorance tells a lot.
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It doesn't matter, bugs can't be lynched today...but everyone needs to keep this in mind tomorrow. He's playing a very anti-town game and needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
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So I'm going to split my votes somehow between Chaoser, Radfield, Sheth, ET, MZ, and Cephiro. I'm not sure how exactly yet, though. WBG, someone said you had a spreadsheet tallying the votes so far. Would you mind sharing it?
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdFVNSFpOalplM09oTjlkdUpBSWoweWc
I've been PMing it around a bit but I don't have all the definite numbers yet.
I know some people have claimed to have voted certain ways but haven't provided the specific allocations.
Anyway, from the data I've gathered we probably need to get everyone above AT LEAST 6 votes (probably closer to 10 or 11 even) to kill sandro/VE.
Even killing sandro alone will probably take about that many votes, since VE piled five on him.
Keep in mind that unless everyone in the pool has more votes than sandro then sandro will not die. Thus it does NOT help for people to put extra votes on players who already have a lot, like Radfield.
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These are my top two scum reads. I've succinctly provided reasoning for each, by unpopular demand.
WBG:
Bugs is trolling town hard. He's been hardline against VE moreso than anyone in the thread…but why? Like, because I thought he was scum based on one of our interactions? Because I haven't been as active as he'd like? His case is basically just a recap of my play, shrouded in subtle jabs discrediting my play in this game and has basically just stopped responding to me entirely. Going after Ceph so hard for the simple act of announcing his intent to spend 2 of his votes on me was the icing on the cake for me. He's not interested in lynching scum, he's interested in lynching ME. He doesn't give a fuck about my alignment. He's just qualifying his attitude by repeatedly calling me scum. If I'm mistaken about Bugs, I blame myself for having too high of expectations where this guy is concerned.
[b]Ace[b]:
Where do I begin with Ace? I've played in two games with Ace when he was town, and in both he's given town at least SOME semblance of rational thought during the course of the day. I don't know if he's turning on the bullshit-burger specifically because everyone in this game is supposed to be "good" at the game, but I've seen no such evidence that he COULD be town in this game. Not one. This alone doesn't make him scum, but one thing alone never does. But this is all I've been provided. If I'm mistaken about Ace, I blame him not me.
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Chaoser needs a life raft bruh
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On May 02 2012 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
These are my top two scum reads. I've succinctly provided reasoning for each, by unpopular demand.
WBG:
Bugs is trolling town hard. He's been hardline against VE moreso than anyone in the thread…but why? Like, because I thought he was scum based on one of our interactions? Because I haven't been as active as he'd like? His case is basically just a recap of my play, shrouded in subtle jabs discrediting my play in this game and has basically just stopped responding to me entirely. Going after Ceph so hard for the simple act of announcing his intent to spend 2 of his votes on me was the icing on the cake for me. He's not interested in lynching scum, he's interested in lynching ME. He doesn't give a fuck about my alignment. He's just qualifying his attitude by repeatedly calling me scum. If I'm mistaken about Bugs, I blame myself for having too high of expectations where this guy is concerned.
[b]Ace[b]:
Where do I begin with Ace? I've played in two games with Ace when he was town, and in both he's given town at least SOME semblance of rational thought during the course of the day. I don't know if he's turning on the bullshit-burger specifically because everyone in this game is supposed to be "good" at the game, but I've seen no such evidence that he COULD be town in this game. Not one. This alone doesn't make him scum, but one thing alone never does. But this is all I've been provided. If I'm mistaken about Ace, I blame him not me.
5/5 would read again.
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I don't get why no one of you would even try to cooperate.
At this rate the lynch could be on any of chaoser, VE or Sheth, and scum can choose whoever they like of them to save or kill, specially considering some players seem that they won't claim what they will exactly vote..
@Cephiro: Okay, so you are tunneling wbg now and being greatly aggressive against him too just for calling you out (effectively another OMGUS)
Noted.
The thing I don't get is why the hell Ace is playing like he's playing. I know people fear him and shit when he's scum because he's cunning, sways people, etc...but unless I'm missing something in PM land he's just completely useless this game. I even doubt he's scum because of that, but fuck he's being so uncooperative and useless it's hard to believe that.
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On May 02 2012 10:50 gonzaw wrote:
@Cephiro: Okay, so you are tunneling wbg now and being greatly aggressive against him too just for calling you out (effectively another OMGUS)
Noted.
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What is this, I didn't even realize I was already tunneling! Damn you genius. I am so aggressive this game.
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Apparently one post a tunnel makes. *shrug*
Dat town.
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Very pleased the way this game is going.
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I said he started tunneling, because it's obvious that's where that is going.
Hey BC, could you come to the thread and contribute and shit? I know you are PMing with wbg because your votes were updated in the spreadsheet.
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