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@Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case.
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##ViteL imallinson @Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. | ||
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I want to help and contribute, but there's only so much you can analyse till new info emerges. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:19 ArcticFox wrote: You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. 1. You have no content, and your 2. tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, 3. plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, 4. it said nothing new, and 5. you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and 6. bristling every time someone mentions you're scum. How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player? 1. I have more content than a few people at least, so that shouldn't put me too high up top. 2. Me being human. 3. RL comes before Mafia, sorry. 4. When you say nothing new, you just mean I agree with some people. I said before, in a game as short of this, it's absurd to think I won't end up agreeing with people on some points. 5. I've wanted to focus on clearing my own name first. 6. I fail to see how this is a scum trait at all. It seems pretty irrelevant. Scum don't want people to think they are scum, but neither do town players. It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision) So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:25 ArcticFox wrote: EBWOP -- Let's approach this another way. You're up for am imallinson lynch. Who's your #2? You've made 2 half-cases on Maju and have an FoS on Draco, but I don't know who you'd rather see hang. Is it one of them or is it someone else? And why? haha, ninja'd | ||
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On April 27 2012 21:19 insectoceanx wrote: I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you? Wow, just noticed this, wtf? o.O Yeah, I meant vote, and not really, but I think we gotta lynch him due to the pure lack of posing. Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar. | ||
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I just think it's a much better scum hunting environment when people are all posting actively, rather than watching the townie's squabble. | ||
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(Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive) | ||
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Whatever I posted gets scrutinised to the point where it makes me mafia. It genuinely feels like whatever I post is another way to think I am scum. I understand the mindset of pressuring an opponent till he cracks and makes a scumslip, but atm I am 95% sure you are town, so I can't pressure you to make you slip, so all I can try to do is convince you (And the rest of town) that I am on your side. The scumteam can just sit there laughing at us, ready to kill the most useful posters during the night. So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use? | ||
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2. Humans are not all equal. Look at my GoT mafia game. I was blue, and was just as *Volatile* 4. I don't have a great deal more to add. I've written about Draco/Stossel, which has new stuff to add to it. 5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC) | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:38 ArcticFox wrote: Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Fair enough, I should have focussed on that more. I'll bear that in mind. However, I think my scumlist for now is pretty clear. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.[/QUOTE] Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets. Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again. [QUOTE]On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote: Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out. [/QUOTE] This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:52 ArcticFox wrote: What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together. Ok, I'll bite anyway. On Maju - I think that my original points stand, however, I am learning more towards bad town, rather than as a scumread. I'd like to see him make a case against his #1 Scumread, but for now, there are better targets. Insectoceanx: Looking back over his filter, looks very townie to begin with, due to his frequent and useful posts, however, he really seems to be posting less and less, but that could just because we have dominated discussion. I think his point to Oneplus is good, which leads me on to Oneplus: If he wants to vote for me, fine, but he needs to work on convincing people, rather than just wasting his vote. I feel like he posts a lot of *stuff* but a lot of it is him repeating himself over the course of the game. However, I think he is mainly just bad town again. On April 27 2012 00:52 oneplus wrote: Hey ArcticFox I doubt english is not my mother tongue which make you can't understand me. I am trying to bring a new topic out for everyone to discuss which is lynch Draco / zealos / me out today beacause it is so highly possible 1 scum among us I want to discuss about what you guys think about this suggestion and not pointing at this guy post alot so he is helpful, that guy post a little so he is a scum. I want to bring more concrete information out. This however, is a pretty scummy thing to do, where he says "He must be scum if this guy flips town" It gives him an excuse to get 2 mislynches off. However, with himself and Draco on the list, it becomes more of a "This is a scummy thing to do" rather than a "This makes him a scum player" sort of thing. | ||
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