Space Station Mafia - Page 30

day one notes part three / night one notes part one

starting page 21

layabout comes in. He makes the post that gets him into trouble later with kurumi. I kind of agree with kurumi on this post
note that layabout PM'd with sandro, and announces it.

coagulation puts a little pressure on grush - disconnection or faked? I lean disconnect.

michaelthe then makes the post that I later refer to as really disliking. He only comments on popular topics.
It starts with an apology, ends with a "gonna read the thread" and has filler in the middle.
Layabout responds to it I think with the idea that sandro would not be running for mayor as scum,
since scum would view the mayor as a major lynch target. So therefore voting for sandro = voting for townie
with information. Not entirely sure if that's where he was going.

Vayesh puts some in character suspicion on me

jackal posts, doesnt contribute much and doesnt appear to be trying to - just makes a joke about kurumi in response to strong's post

strongandbig makes a post commenting on vayesh. disconnect? I dunno. He calls him suspicious in a very cautious way.
also calls kurumi non-town. I feel like strongandbig might be town playing at a sicilian logic level one: if it's
weird, it's suspicious. Or else he's scum playing at level one scum. throws out three names: vayesh, kurumi, zentor

ace's big post is interesting. I really can't read ace because he's doing what I think he should be doing regardless of his
alignment.

wbg undoes his vote on himself and votes for ace. Note connection to the story that wbg posted earlier.

vayesh follows suit after ace's post.

ET puts his FoS on rayzorflash - blahblah I touched on this in my list. Either way, likely disconnect there.

Interesting thought: if mafia is clever, they should realize that this setup allows them to freely accuse each other
day one since only one guy gets to decide the lynch. Who knows if they thought of that though.

wbg posts a big story, and ace follows with a youtube video. No clue what is going on with that.

Sinensis meekly makes a post, again in the random camp.

Sinani follows with one of those dumb summary posts. I actually can see this one as scummy.

ET calls out 10f and sinani - I think disconnect.

then page 22 is essentially the kurumi - layabout tiff. Likely disconnect there I imagine. Sandroba asks kurumi to stop his nonsense

acrofales comes out against chaoser - possible disconnect.

kurumi post some logs:
acrofales logs contains some nugget about black and yellow shit. dunno what it means.
the ace log has something redacted, but of course nothing to make of it.

acrofales I have to lean town on based on page 23 posting. as i said in list later I thought he composed posts more in dfm2

I think maverick may genuinely be in the same boat as froggy. He has eagerness/earnestness.

layabout ends up voting sandroba page 24: crazy theory - if GM and layabout are scumbuddies, then layabout might not want to pile on
GM at this stage. It was clear then that GM was winning, so why not throw a vote on the other guy. Or layabout
is just in the circle that sandroba is making or something.

It is kind of interesting that marvellosity chose to answer the question that froggy posed to mrz. would be sloppy
play out of scum but not out of the question.

kind of interesting that sandroba disappeared from the thread after being so active early on.

Snarf's post on bottom of page 24 has much clarity. Either town or a good scum.

GM puts out three suspicions: node, |10f, and froggy. Of course he lynches froggy later.

then the triple accusation on mrZ. Really dunno what to make of all that. I kind of lean coincidence.
disconnects: chaoser - mrz, grush - mrz, strongandbig - mrz

still think rayzorflash is town (page 26)

acrofales on page 27 reveals he's been talking to wbg, and that "craptons of stuff is going on behind the scenes"

michaelthe complains his only pm is from me. Probably true actually. he should pm other people if he wants to pm.

ET and snarfs format their posts the same. means nothing. disagrees with the MrZ lynch.

sinani makes a string of posts that are fairly townish but not out of the question for scum.

and after the lynch ace comes down tough on GM. still have a gut feeling that one of the two is scum.

From: strongandbig [ 600 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Vayesh
Date: 4/15/12 01:27
Original Message From talismania:
Im curious how you found out that vayesh played in character last time.

I clicked on his profile and then clicked onto the list of his previous posts, lol. He posted a lot in TL mafia xxx (I think that's the right number), so I read the first few posts from him in that game.

From: strongandbig [ 600 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Vayesh
Date: 4/15/12 01:44
Fwiw he was third party that game. Whatever that means for this game.

Original Message From talismania:
Im curious how you found out that vayesh played in character last time.

To: Snarfs [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: SS Mafia
Date: 4/15/12 05:34
I would be great for transparency but my confidence to come somewhere near hitting a scum for the lynch is 0. I've been following the thread closely but just today started sending lots of Pms. I'm missing a lot of info I think about who NOT to lynch. Especially since so many people are supposed to have role claimed to sandroba.

Original Message From Snarfs:
You should run for Captain.

I really like your transparency and you're definitely showing that you're paying a lot of attention to the game. I would vote for you over the other 3 candidates right now.

From: EchelonTee [ 1805 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Couple questions
Date: 4/15/12 04:39
skype [redacted]

Original Message From talismania:
How many scum do you think tried or are trying to run for captain?

I'm curious about your fos on rayzorflash. Why do you think the scum team would pick him to run for captain?

From: Ace [ 11134 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: kurumi
Date: 4/15/12 11:49
First reaction: he's an idiot. I just read the post but I haven't gotten to anything after yet. I'll see when I'm done catching up.

Original Message From talismania:
oh lol.

What do you make of how GM handled his captainship? Would you have done differently?

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Original Message From Ace:
haha he called me black as in my race.

No idea what the "black and yellow" stuff means, but I haven't caught up to reading yet. Same for the wbg thing as I have yet to read it.

Original Message From talismania:
By the way, do you have any idea why Vayesh called you "black"? I understand that's a label here for a third party. In one of kurumi's logs with acrofales that he posted, he also mentions "black and yellow shit" in reference to how sandroba was acquiring claims, so I'm wondering if it might be some sort of game specific thing as well or if it's just a coincidence.

And do you know why wbg posted that huge story about layabout sniffing his crotch and then you and him fighting together? That seemed like a lot of effort to just make a joke, but way too obvious if it was breadcrumbing or something.

Original Message From Ace:
thats how he is, but he's been here long enough to know that he should be trying hard to make sense. He just likes to play that way though.

Original Message From talismania:
I'm new here and you're not - what do you make of kurumi? I find the strangeness in his behavior difficult to read, but I get the impression that might just be how he is.

To: Sinensis [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Hi
Date: 4/15/12 13:38
Ah I see - I assumed it was because maybe it's just common knowledge. I dunno I've never played here before.

Original Message From Sinensis:
How does he tell someone is black by their posting? He must be in communication with Ace, right?

That is what I assumed at least.

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Original Message From talismania:
I thought that was weird as well but apparently Ace actually IS black in real life... I thought vayesh was trying to tell us that Ace was third party or something weird.

My overall opinion of vayesh is this:

1. he's clearly playing mainly for fun

2. If town, then he's acting very much on his own. He has not responded to my pm's and I haven't heard of anyone else talking to him. So he's taking a casual attitude.

3. If he's scum then he would make an amazing pawn. He is always in character and therefore impossible to read. A scum leader would have a great time using him to distract or whatever.

All he's done action-wise is vote ace and then say he was mildly suspicious of me. Doesn't really say much. Right now I would pick town for him if I had to.

Original Message From Sinensis:
What is your opinion on Vayesh?

I think he is a little strange with his weird flavor posts and strange fixation with Ace being black (and that being a "good thing?")

Original Message From talismania:
Yeah a few:
ace ET prp mrz snarfs grush strongandbig maybe a couple others.

most aren't much - I'll be posting most of my logs in the thread soon. I've pm'ed a few others that haven't responded (vayesh, erandorr).

I was just asking you because a few people are not playing much in the thread and some have claimed to be playing in pm land. Thought maybe you were in that category.

Original Message From Sinensis:
Original Message From talismania:
IvE only noticed a couple of posts from you in the thread. Have you been pming a lot with people?


No. Have you?

To: Erandorr [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: GM logs
Date: 4/15/12 11:38
You mentioned in the thread that you chatted for "quite a bit" with GM before deciding to vote for him for captain. Risk.nuke then challenged that, claiming that GM told him that he had only talked to you "briefly".

Would you mind clarifying this subject by posting as much as you can of the logs between you and GM?

Also, I'm curious as to why you only talked to GM, and not sandroba, as he was another leading candidate for captain at the time.

To: wherebugsgo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Your story
Date: 4/14/12 23:09
Does it mean something?

What are your thoughts on layabout and ace, since you mentioned them?

To: VayeshMoru [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: What is with the post about ace being black?
Date: 4/14/12 23:01
What is that about?

And what was your post about receiving the captains log about?

[4/13/2012 9:47:39 AM] John Morris: This is GMarshal
[4/13/2012 9:47:51 AM] Jason Pipkin: Jason Pipkin has shared contact details with John Morris.
[4/13/2012 9:49:41 AM] John Morris: poke
[4/13/2012 9:49:59 AM] Jason Pipkin: good morning
[4/13/2012 9:50:11 AM] John Morris: afternoon for me, but ok
[4/13/2012 9:50:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: ah sorry
[4/13/2012 9:50:39 AM] John Morris: so, whats up?
[4/13/2012 9:50:53 AM] Jason Pipkin: not much I suppose
[4/13/2012 9:51:12 AM] Jason Pipkin: first time I've played in about five years
[4/13/2012 9:51:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: and I know no one's meta at all
[4/13/2012 9:51:47 AM] John Morris: Id give you the blurb about how meta is worthless
[4/13/2012 9:51:58 AM] John Morris: but its not true, so I'll can it
[4/13/2012 9:52:03 AM] Jason Pipkin: heh
[4/13/2012 9:52:13 AM] Jason Pipkin: I called out many people on my old site because of meta
[4/13/2012 9:52:23 AM] Jason Pipkin: it's especially useful in this kind of a game in my opinion
[4/13/2012 9:52:38 AM] Jason Pipkin: scum suck at lying in chat conversations much more than in threads
[4/13/2012 9:52:43 AM] John Morris: I Havent played in a while either, so my meta knowledge is rusty
[4/13/2012 9:53:03 AM] John Morris: also, I might as well tell you that I fundamentally disagree with posting all private convos in the thread
[4/13/2012 9:53:14 AM] Jason Pipkin: I qualified the all
[4/13/2012 9:53:25 AM] John Morris: because of the mere fact that it breaks the possibility of a deception throught duality
[4/13/2012 9:53:36 AM] Jason Pipkin: what do you mean by that
[4/13/2012 9:54:08 AM] John Morris: For example in XXXVI I think it was Jackal tricked the last mafia deconduo, into night killing the wrong person by being very clear that he thought decon was town in the thread
[4/13/2012 9:54:22 AM] John Morris: and then saying the opposite to everyone in PMs
[4/13/2012 9:54:35 AM] John Morris: its a little more convoluted than that
[4/13/2012 9:54:39 AM] Jason Pipkin: well
[4/13/2012 9:54:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: if you're doing a plan that relies on private info
[4/13/2012 9:54:56 AM] Jason Pipkin: then I'd hope people would use common sense and not post it
[4/13/2012 9:55:09 AM] Jason Pipkin: but if it's just a general conversation like this - why not?
[4/13/2012 9:55:19 AM] John Morris: but Pms have the unique potential to allow players to behave differently in the thread than privately, and sometimes you can't tell the person you are baiting that you are baiting them
[4/13/2012 9:56:04 AM] John Morris: I dislike it, you are free to do as you please, but I don't really think it helps the town, rather townies should be free to reveal information they consider relevant when the time is right
[4/13/2012 9:56:15 AM] Jason Pipkin: fair enough
[4/13/2012 9:56:30 AM] John Morris: in another example, if I'm baiting a player to get a strong read, that can take a while, if its posted its likely someone will read it and point it out
[4/13/2012 9:56:34 AM] John Morris: and wham plan sunk
[4/13/2012 9:56:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: I see
[4/13/2012 9:57:10 AM] Jason Pipkin: I guess in my head I had PMs in mind like "hey what do you think of X" etc
[4/13/2012 9:57:32 AM] John Morris: PMs are much more than that ^_^
[4/13/2012 9:57:39 AM] John Morris: although using them in that way is fine too
[4/13/2012 9:57:44 AM] Jason Pipkin: true
[4/13/2012 9:58:02 AM] Jason Pipkin: in any event, I think chat conversatoins are far more telling
[4/13/2012 9:58:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: the more people that talk to one another, the more the scum are forced to fake conversations
[4/13/2012 9:58:23 AM] John Morris: true
[4/13/2012 9:58:41 AM] John Morris: but I'm a thread analysit, I like my thread juicy and big
[4/13/2012 9:58:45 AM] John Morris: any reads so far btw?
[4/13/2012 9:59:00 AM] Jason Pipkin: well
[4/13/2012 9:59:06 AM] Jason Pipkin: I said I thought sandroba was likely town
[4/13/2012 9:59:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: scum reads? no clue so far
[4/13/2012 9:59:37 AM] John Morris: thats a fairly obvious read to pick up though, every good player agress sandro is most likely town, based on his plan proposal
[4/13/2012 9:59:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: other than that
[4/13/2012 10:00:05 AM] Jason Pipkin: acro and sandroba and you and sandroba are not scum together, if one is scum
[4/13/2012 10:00:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: based on acro's post about sandroba and I think you voted for him for captain rather early
[4/13/2012 10:00:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: I base most analysis on weak connections like that but there haven't been too many
[4/13/2012 10:01:13 AM] John Morris: fair enough
[4/13/2012 10:01:17 AM] John Morris: connection play can work
[4/13/2012 10:01:26 AM] John Morris: I'm not fond of it, but its a legit way to play
[4/13/2012 10:01:32 AM] Jason Pipkin: I'm also getting used to the no avatar thing on tl
[4/13/2012 10:01:44 AM] John Morris: haha, takes a while, I know
[4/13/2012 10:01:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: it's hard to keep track of who is who because I forget to read people's names haha
[4/13/2012 10:01:56 AM] Jason Pipkin: I followed death factory mafia 2 pretty closely
[4/13/2012 10:02:12 AM] Jason Pipkin: and I didn't have everyone down until like day 2 or something
[4/13/2012 10:03:14 AM] John Morris: you get used to it surprisingly fast
[4/13/2012 10:03:20 AM] John Morris: + that way you have to remember names!
[4/13/2012 10:03:28 AM] Jason Pipkin: true true
[4/13/2012 10:03:37 AM] Jason Pipkin: have you chatted with anyone else this game?
[4/13/2012 10:04:04 AM] John Morris: a bunch of people
[4/13/2012 10:04:13 AM] John Morris: sandro, chaoser, risknuke
[4/13/2012 10:04:24 AM] John Morris: I have a bunch of others I plan to chat with time permitting
[4/13/2012 10:04:32 AM] Jason Pipkin: they all posted their skype info right?
[4/13/2012 10:04:38 AM] Jason Pipkin: I haven't gone back through the thread
[4/13/2012 10:04:46 AM] Jason Pipkin: although risknuke added me right after I posted
[4/13/2012 10:07:50 AM] John Morris: stupid skype crash -__-
[4/13/2012 10:08:09 AM] John Morris: and no, they haven't all posted their skype info, I just happened to have a lot of them already
[4/13/2012 10:08:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: gotcha
[4/13/2012 10:08:20 AM] John Morris: play enough and you end up with everyones contact info
[4/13/2012 10:08:55 AM] Jason Pipkin: will you be posting your conversations, provided they don't contain town-damaging info?
[4/13/2012 10:09:07 AM] John Morris: probably not
[4/13/2012 10:09:14 AM] John Morris: I'm doing a lot of fancy footwork
[4/13/2012 10:09:21 AM] Jason Pipkin: mmm ok
[4/13/2012 10:09:22 AM] John Morris: and I'm not going to spoil that by posting it
[4/13/2012 10:09:34 AM] Jason Pipkin: fwiw consider any convo with me fair game to be posted
[4/13/2012 10:09:36 AM] John Morris: Have you read Ver's guide?
[4/13/2012 10:09:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: parts I suppose
[4/13/2012 10:09:49 AM] John Morris: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
[4/13/2012 10:09:52 AM] Jason Pipkin: not all the way through
[4/13/2012 10:09:55 AM] John Morris: keep the town on a need to know basis
[4/13/2012 10:09:58 AM] John Morris: read it
[4/13/2012 10:09:59 AM] John Morris: twice
[4/13/2012 10:10:12 AM] John Morris: trust me, you'll become much better instantly
[4/13/2012 10:10:15 AM] John Morris: its worth the slog
[4/13/2012 10:10:24 AM] Jason Pipkin: I've played 20+ games you know
[4/13/2012 10:10:26 AM] Jason Pipkin: just not on tl
[4/13/2012 10:10:28 AM] John Morris: so have I
[4/13/2012 10:10:34 AM] John Morris: I re read the guide often anyway
[4/13/2012 10:10:39 AM] Jason Pipkin: of course I played with the same people over and over
[4/13/2012 10:10:40 AM] John Morris: because fundamentals help
[4/13/2012 10:10:42 AM] Jason Pipkin: so it got easier
[4/13/2012 10:10:48 AM] John Morris: especially when you don't have meta
[4/13/2012 10:11:54 AM] Jason Pipkin: so what does fancy footwork mean?
[4/13/2012 10:12:17 AM] Jason Pipkin: just reading through the thread I can't imagine people already having enough info to do fancy footwork
[4/13/2012 10:12:25 AM] John Morris: I can't let you tip off your scumbuddies! Lets just say what I say to one person in PMs doesn't necessarily line up with what I may tell others
[4/13/2012 10:12:38 AM] John Morris: its interesting to see how info falls through the cracks
[4/13/2012 10:12:57 AM] John Morris: and who knows things they maybe shouldn't
[4/13/2012 10:13:17 AM] Jason Pipkin: so you have reads already?
[4/13/2012 10:13:35 AM] Jason Pipkin: in the thread you mentioned a troll and maybe the candidates list
[4/13/2012 10:13:48 AM] John Morris: sure, I always have reads. Are the accuarate? Maybe, maybe not.
[4/13/2012 10:13:57 AM] John Morris: That was a very deliberate post by me
[4/13/2012 10:14:06 AM] John Morris: lets see how you think, why did I say what I said?
[4/13/2012 10:14:33 AM] Jason Pipkin: well it sounded like you didn't want to say for the most part
[4/13/2012 10:15:02 AM] Jason Pipkin: also it sounded like you were being truthful
[4/13/2012 10:15:14 AM] Jason Pipkin: I think the captain's candidate list would be a fruitful place to closely look
[4/13/2012 10:15:23 AM] Jason Pipkin: although far from guaranteed
[4/13/2012 10:15:28 AM] John Morris: I'm seeing who goes after the soft lynch in the troll
[4/13/2012 10:15:46 AM] John Morris: its a stupid lynch except for policy reasons/if nothing better can be found
[4/13/2012 10:15:54 AM] John Morris: best left for vigilantes
[4/13/2012 10:15:59 AM] John Morris: as lynching him says nothing about others
[4/13/2012 10:16:05 AM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I've seen that idea posted a couple of times
[4/13/2012 10:16:18 AM] John Morris: now, who is going to push that because I said I wanted him lynched?
[4/13/2012 10:16:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: "vig the lurkers" etc
[4/13/2012 10:16:36 AM] John Morris: who is going to vote for me for captian based on the fact that I'm not threatening any of them directly
[4/13/2012 10:16:37 AM] John Morris: ?
[4/13/2012 10:16:44 AM] Jason Pipkin: are you running for captain?
[4/13/2012 10:16:49 AM] Jason Pipkin: I thought you voted for sandroba
[4/13/2012 10:16:50 AM] John Morris: Always
[4/13/2012 10:16:55 AM] John Morris: its my policy to always run for mayor
[4/13/2012 10:17:00 AM] John Morris: sure I voted for sandroba
[4/13/2012 10:17:03 AM] Jason Pipkin: but vote for someone else?
[4/13/2012 10:17:08 AM] John Morris: its not gentelmanly to vote for yourself
[4/13/2012 10:17:10 AM] Jason Pipkin: you can't vote for yourself?
[4/13/2012 10:17:11 AM] Jason Pipkin: heh
[4/13/2012 10:17:17 AM] John Morris: (and not allowed in most games anyway)
[4/13/2012 10:17:24 AM] Jason Pipkin: allowed in real life
[4/13/2012 10:17:38 AM] John Morris: irrelevant, I am a gentelman!
[4/13/2012 10:17:51 AM] Jason Pipkin: well maybe someone takes that bait maybe not
[4/13/2012 10:18:03 AM] John Morris: ah, but now I told you
[4/13/2012 10:18:04 AM] Jason Pipkin: I'll hold off on posting this until the end of the day anyway
[4/13/2012 10:18:09 AM] John Morris: so the bait is less relevant
[4/13/2012 10:18:26 AM] John Morris: now I'm interested in who told me they were temped by it in pms
[4/13/2012 10:18:28 AM] John Morris: and now aren't
[4/13/2012 10:18:35 AM] Jason Pipkin: so you play as though scum are acting individually?
[4/13/2012 10:18:48 AM] Jason Pipkin: whenever I've played scum it's always been very team
[4/13/2012 10:18:54 AM] Jason Pipkin: with some exceptions when people do stupid shit
[4/13/2012 10:18:54 AM] John Morris: thats what I;m saying
[4/13/2012 10:19:02 AM] John Morris: now I've leaked the fact that its bait
[4/13/2012 10:19:03 AM] John Morris: to you
[4/13/2012 10:19:09 AM] John Morris: so if you are scum, they now now
[4/13/2012 10:19:11 AM] John Morris: *know
[4/13/2012 10:19:21 AM] Jason Pipkin: I guess
[4/13/2012 10:19:22 AM] John Morris: so I'll see if anyone;s attitude takes a swift turn
[4/13/2012 10:19:24 AM] John Morris: or maybe not
[4/13/2012 10:19:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: if you're telling me that then you seem to be talking yourself in circles haha
[4/13/2012 10:19:50 AM] John Morris: anyway, most things I do have a motive, even if its not clearly visible
[4/13/2012 10:22:56 AM] John Morris: and scum can be very disembodied in how they act
[4/13/2012 10:23:03 AM] John Morris: its not necessarily all team play
[4/13/2012 10:23:28 AM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I've seen a scum bus another one with a fake convo where he made it seem like the one guy accidentally slipped to him
[4/13/2012 10:23:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: but the guy getting bused had no clue, and then got mad and posted everything in the thread
[4/13/2012 10:27:20 AM] John Morris: lol

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