EPTWe need 13 votes to kill VE. Currently we have 9. If we don't kill VE then I will be sorely disappointed. (it'll also mean we'll probably lose because VE won't get lynched the day after either, if he can escape once he'll escape twice)
First I'll quickly address marvellosity, since I actually think you're town and I need your vote:
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On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
So I've taken a gander at wbg's filter. Seemed a sensible thing to do as one of the most prominent posters on the VE/Toad issues. He seems ok with VE throughout the first day, and the suspicions only start coming a bit later
Ok, first mention is with some idle speculation about the NK. But whatever.
Anyway, the entire point of wbg's case seems to be VE's failure to provide a case or reasoning on Toad for a long time after saying Toad was scum. This is absolutely fair enough, because there's like 2 pages of VE's filter between the original fingerpointing and his cases. What I don't like is how he absolutely goes after VE for this but let's Toad go.
So I've taken a gander at wbg's filter. Seemed a sensible thing to do as one of the most prominent posters on the VE/Toad issues. He seems ok with VE throughout the first day, and the suspicions only start coming a bit later
Ok, first mention is with some idle speculation about the NK. But whatever.
Anyway, the entire point of wbg's case seems to be VE's failure to provide a case or reasoning on Toad for a long time after saying Toad was scum. This is absolutely fair enough, because there's like 2 pages of VE's filter between the original fingerpointing and his cases. What I don't like is how he absolutely goes after VE for this but let's Toad go.
I let Toad go because Toad OMGUSed VE. OMGUS is not a scum tell, and it's especially not a scum tell for Toad to do it. It's just how he operates when pressured by scum and I have explained this already.
If there were any person that would make a good target for scum, it would be Toad. I have done it myself as scum in previous games and the end result has been the exact same thing you see now. I have told Toad this but clearly not much has changed.
Toad's reaction was completely and 100% both predictable and normal (for Toad). Thus, I had no reason to go after him. If you want to see what Toad looks like when he plays scum, go check out TL Mafia XLVIII hosted by Incognito and cohosted by me. You may not agree with using meta because you are a newer player, but it is a useful tool in analysis and meta matters. That's why smurfs exist. Also, you don't have to play with someone to understand meta; you can simply read their past games.
On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
Bold in wbg is my emphasis. Compare to
Why is this so infinitely more acceptable from Toad? Added to the fact the post spoilered below came BEFORE this post. Was this his case or not? According to the above it isn't. But then where IS the case? wbg is convinced VE is scum for this but doesn't give a shit that Toad is doing it worse (and semi-lying?). Meta or not, it seems too far.
Bold in wbg is my emphasis. Compare to
Why is this so infinitely more acceptable from Toad? Added to the fact the post spoilered below came BEFORE this post. Was this his case or not? According to the above it isn't. But then where IS the case? wbg is convinced VE is scum for this but doesn't give a shit that Toad is doing it worse (and semi-lying?). Meta or not, it seems too far.
First of all, Toad was clear with you. He admitted himself he didn't have a case for a while, something scum would rarely, if ever, do. Scum aren't going to admit to you that they don't have a case on the target they're pushing. That's suicide and it actually reinforces the notion that Toad is town, because he is much more transparent than VE.
"it seems too far" doesn't make any sense, and you're not actually asserting anything here. Toad is not lying here, he's just being his derpy self.
On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
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Moving on.
Really? Go re-read his filter. It seems to me that he was very clear in why he was voting/pressuring Risen, and then he was equally clear on his case against Hassybaby. This is just misrepresenting VE, go read VE's filter for yourselves. Then to reiterate, yes VE not posting a case on Toad for ages was bad, but as per above, not sure why only VE gets the flak for this.
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On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:
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I know I'm about to post a big post and I know a lot of you people will be all like "uuuarg, not another one of those posts and this one is even bigger, noone can make me read THAT".
But I honestly ask you to please read this post. Don't skip it. I know it's a lot to read but it's important.
Ok do we lynch VE or Gonzaw today?
Right now both are voting for a basicly confirmed townie (read: me) and neither of those 2 is reading the game, not even with the most recent flips they're willing to read. I think we got 2 mafia palmars in here.
I'll explain this in three phases:
Phase 1 - Nightkills
We've got a claimed shot from ET against michaelthe. So for now I'm assuming he really is a town vig. Even if he is a mafia vig that doesn't matter because it's about the KP amount. Mafia only as 3 normal KP. So the important part it that this is one additional kill towards the usual 3 KP.
Ok what's left?
sputnik.theory
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh
That's 4 people. Still 1 KP more than Mafia should have, right? So now ask yourself for a second who do you think mafia shot and more importantly who was the target for our 2nd vig, no matter of alignment?
Let's assume we have a town vig for a second. Do you think a townvig would shoot someone like Jackal when there's people like Sputnik around? I doubt it.
Next question: Do you think mafia would have shot sputnik considering there's a shitload of people willing to lynch him? I doubt it. Therefore It's either 2 town vigs or 1 townvig + 1 mafiavig and the mafiavig is ET who shot michael because no way mafia would shoot sputnik. AT ALL. I doubt ET is a mafia vig though but that has nothing to do with me being confirmed.
That leaves this list of people who probably got shot by mafia, you may replace sloOsh or midnight with sputnik if you think those 2 looked equally bad but no way a townie shot Jackal:
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh
That's still 3 people. What's mafia KP? 3. That means mafia one-shotted every single one of those.
Remember who told people NOT TO protect Jackal at all costs? That's right, that's VE and WBG.
More importantly, remember who told people to protect Jackal and Toad as well? RIGHT, THAT'S ME click me!
So back to our kills. What did I just say? Mafia oneshotted those guys. Do you honestly beliefe I would be asking people to protect Jackal as a mafia if I was about to shoot Jackal with a single bullet?
In what world would I EVER do such a thing as mafia?
Phase 2 - Votes on Day 1
More onto why I am "confirmed"
Look into the people who voted d1 and how they voted. We killed a townie with Janaan. I am pretty sure there's plenty of mafia on him as we had A LOT of troubles getting a lynch at all.
Town was probably derping hardcore d1. I guess VE read that I think Hassy is mafia but did not comment on it because he did not think it was a threat because everyone ignored it. Once WBG got in the thread and placed his vote and I did the same he suddenly says he thinks Hassy is Mafia out of nowhere and places his vote there.
There's 2 options here:
EITHER Hassy is simply mafia and VE did not think it was a threat at all considering we only had like 4 hours left and need 16 people on Hassy and therefore wanted something to later point back and say "lookielookie, I tried killing hassy d1" only to switch later to janaan.
The other option is Hassy being a townie, although I doubt that's possible. In that case VE just did whatever he wanted to because both targets are town.
So basicly if Hassy is red there's probably a shitload of mafias on janaan and WBG and I pushed a red while VE conveniently jumped on the wagon himself when it looked to him like it was not going to happen and switched back to Janaan later on. If Hassy is green it's a null
Phase 3 - VE and Gonzaw the new and improves Mafia-Palmars
I'm going to make this short because this is not about me being as townish as you can get but about VE and Gonzaw being mafia. Short "sadly" means I'll be only covering one point each. It's still a wall of text.
First a little about VE:
Remember the weird post claiming VE thinks hassy is mafia?
I am talking about this one: clicky!
The second I saw that I asked wbg what he thinks about it because that post is highly suspicious, wbg said I am probably paranoid and I left it with that for the moment.
I'll just quote 3 really short phrases out of that post:
thefuck? Really?
Next thing: Remember how basicly everyone said I am looking okay or nullish except for gonzaw? VE did not say a thing because he saw everyone saying I'm okay, especially wbg and Jackal thinking I'm fine probably made him not want to touch me based on a case that's based on "Toad posts wall of texts".
He knows there's no way out of this. He is to go all-in on me to at least get another mislynch before he dies and you know what will happen the second I flip town?
gonzaw said he thinks VE and I am both Mafia. The second I flip town gonzaw will walz in this thread telling people some bullshit about being sorry how wrong he was and his reads are so off that he'll have to rethink everything, obviously no longer willing to lynch VE
Ok now a little about gonzaw: His case is still not existing. I kept asking him what his case is about. He keeps saying some bullshit about how I am not caring, not taking stances, not commiting, not asking questions and how I am so different.
Guess what. Everything he said so far was ruled out and declared to be bullshit. I am not taking stances? I did, I talked about my reads and made it pretty clear who I want dead and who I did not want dead. I was asked a shitload of questions from a lot of people. I answered every single one of those no matter how stupid. Yet he keeps telling me I am ignoring questions.
Gonzaw paddled back and said "well ok you did, BUT I should not have to ask you about those things, you should post them nonstop" which is firstly incredible wrong because I am not going to post every single read I have, especially the townie ones and secondly people already told me to chill out because I was posting way too much. He never wanted me to post more, he had to find a cheap excuse to keep his case alive. If I do post more about my reads people like wbg, VE and Jackal would have an easy time discrediting me because I am shitting up the thread and at least wbg did and if I did not post more about my reads I am considered to be mafia by gonzaw and he keeps on bombing the thread. He created a classic lose-lose situation for me and no matter what I did in that situation I would have been called mafia for what I was about to do.
Next thing he does is saying I don't care. I show him Mafia 48 telling him people thought I am the most likely guy in the WHOLE GAME to be a townie because I was caring about the game so much.
He again paddels back, agrees that that was wrong as well only to say "well you only pushed targets you wanted to push in Mafia 48". Well duh, what should I have pushed instead? Pulled a VE and be like "GUYSES I WANT TO LYNCH RAD SO I AM VOTING ANNUL LOL" ?!? If that's not what you were talking about but instead were talking about me pushing town targerts and not pushing mafias this is no different because we got a single flip so far. That guy was green and I was NOT on it. How in the world are you telling me I am pushing the wrong targets when you should not have information about such a thing as a townie? Especially not on d1 / n1
Next thing that happens is me asking for some example. So far he kept telling me I am posting different. What about some examples from my older games that show that I am posting so different? He goes on and says I am talking about old games in this game and talking about useless stuff which I only do as mafia. Newsflash: Storm clicky-clicky!
Yeah that post I did was pretty retarded, not one of my brightest moments, but saying I only do that stuff as mafia obviously is not true.
He paddles back, agrees that he was wrong there again to say my style resembles Storm the most but that's only because Mafia 48 doesn't count because it's already so old. I am sorry I am not 24 / 7 rolling mafia. It only played mafia twice ever: mafia 48 and Resistance 1.
I tell him to explain again what he thinks is "weird" about me and ask about specific examples because clearly nothing he said so far was right. He keeps on saying I am weird, doesn't provide any more examples other than what already was said and keeps repeating stuff he already agreed to be wrong.
That's it for gonzaw and his case on me. Now tell me: HOW IN THE WORLD is that guy a townie. He was probably told to tunnel me a bit by some of his buddies because of stuff like that:
According to VE I am unreadable. That guy claimes to have legendary reads right now. How is it that someone like Kita FAKECLAIMES DT who got a green check on me in Storm because according to him I was so obviously town (just imagine the situation, fakeclaiming a DT check as a townie, that's rather drastic if you name is not schworz) to save me from being lynched by mafia + SK.
Yet VE walzes in this thread saying he wants to lynch me because I am unreadable. Because I am unreadable. I'm going to repeat that. I AM UNREADABLE?!? the fuck-#2 and the fuck-#3 at the same time.
There's two possiblities here:
1) He really thinks I am unreadable and has not a single Scumread that is better than true-rnd.
2) He really thinks I am mafia in which case I am not unreadable if he thinks he is right.
Case 1 is obviously not the case. IF that would be the case it would mean VE has not a single scumread on d1 with 6 dead townies that he considers to be better than true-rnd. That'd be totally awful.
Case 2 is interesting. Why should he claim I am unreadable if he thinks I am mafia? Either he lies about thinking I am mafia OR he wants to have a nice cop-out after lynching me claiming "sry guys, I told you he is unreadable
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Soooo. Long post is already long so I'll stop here. I haven't talked a lot about VE and gonzaw but I'm already doubting all of you will read this because it's so long so I'm stopping here.
Take what I said into consideration:
Do you really think I am a mafia who single-target-shot Jackal just to ask for medic protection on Jackal prior to shooting him?
Do you really think it's a good idea to lynch the guy who was not on the townie lynch d1 while probably of bunch of townies tried to get janaan killed?
Do you really think Gonzaw and VE are townies considering what I just said?
For those of you you answer a single or more of those 3 questions with yes go ahead and click the spoiler please:
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For those of you who answered all of the 3 questions with a no: Congratz on being awesome.
Now talk about who we should lynch today. I am eating my hat if one of those two guys turns out to be town and I've only got a single hat. That's a fancy Faschings-hat (according to dict.cc that word exists in english as well!) and eating that would be painful:
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That being sad. I'll quote myself from this very post because I can not believe how someone is possibly suggesting to lynch me given the kills we got unless that guy hasn't reath the thread or is not actively asking himself what those kills imply.
Oh and sry if I got a shitload of spelling mistakes or words missing inbetween. It's 8 am in germany so I'm still pretty sleepy. It took me an hour to write and check it.
I know I'm about to post a big post and I know a lot of you people will be all like "uuuarg, not another one of those posts and this one is even bigger, noone can make me read THAT".
But I honestly ask you to please read this post. Don't skip it. I know it's a lot to read but it's important.
Ok do we lynch VE or Gonzaw today?
Right now both are voting for a basicly confirmed townie (read: me) and neither of those 2 is reading the game, not even with the most recent flips they're willing to read. I think we got 2 mafia palmars in here.
I'll explain this in three phases:
Phase 1 - Nightkills
We've got a claimed shot from ET against michaelthe. So for now I'm assuming he really is a town vig. Even if he is a mafia vig that doesn't matter because it's about the KP amount. Mafia only as 3 normal KP. So the important part it that this is one additional kill towards the usual 3 KP.
Ok what's left?
sputnik.theory
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh
That's 4 people. Still 1 KP more than Mafia should have, right? So now ask yourself for a second who do you think mafia shot and more importantly who was the target for our 2nd vig, no matter of alignment?
Let's assume we have a town vig for a second. Do you think a townvig would shoot someone like Jackal when there's people like Sputnik around? I doubt it.
Next question: Do you think mafia would have shot sputnik considering there's a shitload of people willing to lynch him? I doubt it. Therefore It's either 2 town vigs or 1 townvig + 1 mafiavig and the mafiavig is ET who shot michael because no way mafia would shoot sputnik. AT ALL. I doubt ET is a mafia vig though but that has nothing to do with me being confirmed.
That leaves this list of people who probably got shot by mafia, you may replace sloOsh or midnight with sputnik if you think those 2 looked equally bad but no way a townie shot Jackal:
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh
That's still 3 people. What's mafia KP? 3. That means mafia one-shotted every single one of those.
Remember who told people NOT TO protect Jackal at all costs? That's right, that's VE and WBG.
More importantly, remember who told people to protect Jackal and Toad as well? RIGHT, THAT'S ME click me!
So back to our kills. What did I just say? Mafia oneshotted those guys. Do you honestly beliefe I would be asking people to protect Jackal as a mafia if I was about to shoot Jackal with a single bullet?
In what world would I EVER do such a thing as mafia?
Phase 2 - Votes on Day 1
More onto why I am "confirmed"
Look into the people who voted d1 and how they voted. We killed a townie with Janaan. I am pretty sure there's plenty of mafia on him as we had A LOT of troubles getting a lynch at all.
Town was probably derping hardcore d1. I guess VE read that I think Hassy is mafia but did not comment on it because he did not think it was a threat because everyone ignored it. Once WBG got in the thread and placed his vote and I did the same he suddenly says he thinks Hassy is Mafia out of nowhere and places his vote there.
There's 2 options here:
EITHER Hassy is simply mafia and VE did not think it was a threat at all considering we only had like 4 hours left and need 16 people on Hassy and therefore wanted something to later point back and say "lookielookie, I tried killing hassy d1" only to switch later to janaan.
The other option is Hassy being a townie, although I doubt that's possible. In that case VE just did whatever he wanted to because both targets are town.
So basicly if Hassy is red there's probably a shitload of mafias on janaan and WBG and I pushed a red while VE conveniently jumped on the wagon himself when it looked to him like it was not going to happen and switched back to Janaan later on. If Hassy is green it's a null
Phase 3 - VE and Gonzaw the new and improves Mafia-Palmars
I'm going to make this short because this is not about me being as townish as you can get but about VE and Gonzaw being mafia. Short "sadly" means I'll be only covering one point each. It's still a wall of text.
First a little about VE:
Remember the weird post claiming VE thinks hassy is mafia?
I am talking about this one: clicky!
The second I saw that I asked wbg what he thinks about it because that post is highly suspicious, wbg said I am probably paranoid and I left it with that for the moment.
I'll just quote 3 really short phrases out of that post:
thefuck? Really?
Next thing: Remember how basicly everyone said I am looking okay or nullish except for gonzaw? VE did not say a thing because he saw everyone saying I'm okay, especially wbg and Jackal thinking I'm fine probably made him not want to touch me based on a case that's based on "Toad posts wall of texts".
He knows there's no way out of this. He is to go all-in on me to at least get another mislynch before he dies and you know what will happen the second I flip town?
gonzaw said he thinks VE and I am both Mafia. The second I flip town gonzaw will walz in this thread telling people some bullshit about being sorry how wrong he was and his reads are so off that he'll have to rethink everything, obviously no longer willing to lynch VE
Ok now a little about gonzaw: His case is still not existing. I kept asking him what his case is about. He keeps saying some bullshit about how I am not caring, not taking stances, not commiting, not asking questions and how I am so different.
Guess what. Everything he said so far was ruled out and declared to be bullshit. I am not taking stances? I did, I talked about my reads and made it pretty clear who I want dead and who I did not want dead. I was asked a shitload of questions from a lot of people. I answered every single one of those no matter how stupid. Yet he keeps telling me I am ignoring questions.
Gonzaw paddled back and said "well ok you did, BUT I should not have to ask you about those things, you should post them nonstop" which is firstly incredible wrong because I am not going to post every single read I have, especially the townie ones and secondly people already told me to chill out because I was posting way too much. He never wanted me to post more, he had to find a cheap excuse to keep his case alive. If I do post more about my reads people like wbg, VE and Jackal would have an easy time discrediting me because I am shitting up the thread and at least wbg did and if I did not post more about my reads I am considered to be mafia by gonzaw and he keeps on bombing the thread. He created a classic lose-lose situation for me and no matter what I did in that situation I would have been called mafia for what I was about to do.
Next thing he does is saying I don't care. I show him Mafia 48 telling him people thought I am the most likely guy in the WHOLE GAME to be a townie because I was caring about the game so much.
He again paddels back, agrees that that was wrong as well only to say "well you only pushed targets you wanted to push in Mafia 48". Well duh, what should I have pushed instead? Pulled a VE and be like "GUYSES I WANT TO LYNCH RAD SO I AM VOTING ANNUL LOL" ?!? If that's not what you were talking about but instead were talking about me pushing town targerts and not pushing mafias this is no different because we got a single flip so far. That guy was green and I was NOT on it. How in the world are you telling me I am pushing the wrong targets when you should not have information about such a thing as a townie? Especially not on d1 / n1
Next thing that happens is me asking for some example. So far he kept telling me I am posting different. What about some examples from my older games that show that I am posting so different? He goes on and says I am talking about old games in this game and talking about useless stuff which I only do as mafia. Newsflash: Storm clicky-clicky!
Yeah that post I did was pretty retarded, not one of my brightest moments, but saying I only do that stuff as mafia obviously is not true.
He paddles back, agrees that he was wrong there again to say my style resembles Storm the most but that's only because Mafia 48 doesn't count because it's already so old. I am sorry I am not 24 / 7 rolling mafia. It only played mafia twice ever: mafia 48 and Resistance 1.
I tell him to explain again what he thinks is "weird" about me and ask about specific examples because clearly nothing he said so far was right. He keeps on saying I am weird, doesn't provide any more examples other than what already was said and keeps repeating stuff he already agreed to be wrong.
That's it for gonzaw and his case on me. Now tell me: HOW IN THE WORLD is that guy a townie. He was probably told to tunnel me a bit by some of his buddies because of stuff like that:
According to VE I am unreadable. That guy claimes to have legendary reads right now. How is it that someone like Kita FAKECLAIMES DT who got a green check on me in Storm because according to him I was so obviously town (just imagine the situation, fakeclaiming a DT check as a townie, that's rather drastic if you name is not schworz) to save me from being lynched by mafia + SK.
Yet VE walzes in this thread saying he wants to lynch me because I am unreadable. Because I am unreadable. I'm going to repeat that. I AM UNREADABLE?!? the fuck-#2 and the fuck-#3 at the same time.
There's two possiblities here:
1) He really thinks I am unreadable and has not a single Scumread that is better than true-rnd.
2) He really thinks I am mafia in which case I am not unreadable if he thinks he is right.
Case 1 is obviously not the case. IF that would be the case it would mean VE has not a single scumread on d1 with 6 dead townies that he considers to be better than true-rnd. That'd be totally awful.
Case 2 is interesting. Why should he claim I am unreadable if he thinks I am mafia? Either he lies about thinking I am mafia OR he wants to have a nice cop-out after lynching me claiming "sry guys, I told you he is unreadable
"Soooo. Long post is already long so I'll stop here. I haven't talked a lot about VE and gonzaw but I'm already doubting all of you will read this because it's so long so I'm stopping here.
Take what I said into consideration:
Do you really think I am a mafia who single-target-shot Jackal just to ask for medic protection on Jackal prior to shooting him?
Do you really think it's a good idea to lynch the guy who was not on the townie lynch d1 while probably of bunch of townies tried to get janaan killed?
Do you really think Gonzaw and VE are townies considering what I just said?
For those of you you answer a single or more of those 3 questions with yes go ahead and click the spoiler please:
+ Show Spoiler [click me!] +
For those of you who answered all of the 3 questions with a no: Congratz on being awesome.
Now talk about who we should lynch today. I am eating my hat if one of those two guys turns out to be town and I've only got a single hat. That's a fancy Faschings-hat (according to dict.cc that word exists in english as well!) and eating that would be painful:
+ Show Spoiler [my hat] +
It's actually not MY hat but the hat of a friend and they're all the same
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That being sad. I'll quote myself from this very post because I can not believe how someone is possibly suggesting to lynch me given the kills we got unless that guy hasn't reath the thread or is not actively asking himself what those kills imply.
Oh and sry if I got a shitload of spelling mistakes or words missing inbetween. It's 8 am in germany so I'm still pretty sleepy. It took me an hour to write and check it.
Moving on.
Really? Go re-read his filter. It seems to me that he was very clear in why he was voting/pressuring Risen, and then he was equally clear on his case against Hassybaby. This is just misrepresenting VE, go read VE's filter for yourselves. Then to reiterate, yes VE not posting a case on Toad for ages was bad, but as per above, not sure why only VE gets the flak for this.
I gave VE flak for it because I recalled that I was the one who pushed Hassy and not him; he kept saying he was fine with killing Hassy but never did any of the work. I originally believed his explanation but I was wrong. I should have listened to MG more because he was right and I wasn't.
In fact, if you notice, that's how he's been all game. He's been completely fine with killing a whole bunch of different people (the number is in the double digits at this point) but he doesn't provide valid reasons for any of them.
He provides some semblance of reason in certain posts, but when you actually read them you realize that they either
a. aren't reasons to call someone scum, or
b. aren't actually true
On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
Bold is my emphasis. Confirmation bias? The exact same argument applies for VE Mafia knowing what he's doing as VE town.
Bold is my emphasis. Confirmation bias? The exact same argument applies for VE Mafia knowing what he's doing as VE town.
How is that confirmation bias? The same argument doesn't apply to mafia VE, because a mafia player would not be pretending to be a DT the entire game unless he was really good. The claim makes far more sense from the perspective of VE being mafia because it was so botched and terrible. The whole "DON'T MAKE ME CLAIM NOW" and then claiming when nothing happened in between was incredibly fake. That makes far more sense from the perspective that VE is mafia fake claiming than it does from the perspective that he is town. As town you would make that outburst and then claim on a trigger, not just claim randomly for no reason.
On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
wbg's opinion is that VE's case is total shit. No it isn't. The case is at least decent, based on disruptive behaviour (mafia trait), pointing fingers all over the place (confusion, mafia trait), terrible OMGUS, wifom speculation, walls of text, and general complete lack of positive content - yet all you do is brush it off with "lololol toad meta". This isn't a good enough response, and it does NOT make VE's case bad.
wbg's opinion is that VE's case is total shit. No it isn't. The case is at least decent, based on disruptive behaviour (mafia trait), pointing fingers all over the place (confusion, mafia trait), terrible OMGUS, wifom speculation, walls of text, and general complete lack of positive content - yet all you do is brush it off with "lololol toad meta". This isn't a good enough response, and it does NOT make VE's case bad.
Apparently you haven't read VE's case then. The case is not "at least decent" and you wouldn't say it was if you had actually played in a game with VE before. I can't fault you for this, but you can at least read past games and see actual cases for yourself.
Toad hasn't been disruptive on purpose. Toad has been disruptive because he was pressured by VE (and earlier, gonzaw). For the 100th time, that's what Toad does. That's exactly why Toad is a prime mafia target for a mislynch! You try to mislynch Toad and the entire world explodes to him. That's why he's considered the forum drama queen. That's why he gets posts made about him that say he always thinks he's the most important player in the game!
Toad didn't point fingers all over the place, he just OMGUSed two people. OMGUS is not a mafia trait. WIFOM speculation is not a mafia trait. Walls of text are not (usually) a mafia trait. "General complete lack of positive content" doesn't say mean anything at all.
Now that we've established that NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE EXCLUSIVELY MAFIA TRAITS, can we move on? And yes, because none of these things are exclusively mafia traits, we CAN move on. In fact, VE himself has done 90% of the things you just listed were in VE's case to begin with.
VE calls Toad scum for posting walls of text but he did it by posting walls of text himself (rofl) VE calls Toad scum for pointing fingers all over the place when VE has baselessly accused twice as many people as Toad.
On April 12 2012 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
Finally
Stupid, stupid pot-stirring. wbg gets annoyed at people "not reading the thread". And yet here, apparently, he completely fails to do so himself - VE mentions sanity on practically every occasion he posted about his claim, and wbg should bloody well know this. So he's either not reading the thread, or wilfully stirring by misrepresenting.
Finally
Stupid, stupid pot-stirring. wbg gets annoyed at people "not reading the thread". And yet here, apparently, he completely fails to do so himself - VE mentions sanity on practically every occasion he posted about his claim, and wbg should bloody well know this. So he's either not reading the thread, or wilfully stirring by misrepresenting.
Which again begs the question; WHY WOULD A DT WHO DOESN'T KNOW HIS SANITY CLAIM ON DAY 2?
my god.
