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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
April 03 2012 19:13 GMT
#761
On April 04 2012 03:02 Tobon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 02:49 Nemesis wrote:
Note how he says he is suspicious of cascades but is not willing to lynch him.


Oh, and this part. My read on cascades is here: link. In short: scummy.

The bit you quoted is me saying that the timing of the PoP on cascades was poor because we hadn't decided for sure on a target yet. As many of us are agreeing now, a lot of us (me definitely included) used our PoPs poorly and in an uncoordinated way on day 1. Hopefully we can do better from here on out.

I'm not so sure. I said earlier that I could not come up with a decent reason for scum to claim such an obviously scummy role, but this post brings one to mind: you're stating that it's so absurd that he must be town.

Lets entertain a thought: he's scum and is roleclaiming.

a. It's a true roleclaim. He now comes off looking honest (albeit naive) and promises to use his bombs for the good of the town. We now trust him, because he doesn't use his bombs and plays for the end-game when he places them, maybe even convincing town that it is now a good move, because the statistics have changed (more chance of hitting mafia)
b. It's a false roleclaim. We threaten to lynch him if he uses his bombs, because they are horribly anti-town (or if we don't threaten he admits it's anti-town to use them and promises not to). If he has some hidden role, he can now safely use his hidden role while claiming that he is not using his ability (bombs) for the good of the town.

Given that almost all the roles seen so far in this game have a verifiable effect (the exception seems to be BillMurray's strange DT claim), it is a lot easier to roleclaim something that is either real, or you don't want to use.

Some added wifom based on DFM1 roles:

Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the explosive Blaster Mine Toy! You are a Good Toy.

Usually sold to children as a glorified fire cracker you ended up stuck in the factory with some bad, bad toys. But you refuse to be a sitting duck. Using your blaster charges you can destroy actual spaces on the queue. You have 2 charges and may use them in one of 2 ways:

1.) You can place a primer under a single queue at night. At the end of the day any toy in that position of the queue will be blown up or

2.) You can place both of your charges under the queue position and the first Toy to encounter it will be blown up. Be careful as if you do this, when the day starts it will immediately blow up anyone starting on that queue which could be you!

You win by eliminating all of the Bad Toys.


This was a role in DFM1: almost the same as the role Bluelightz is claiming, but no randomness. The lack of random makes it a lot more townie imho.

Now, other than this roleclaim, what in Bluelightz filter makes you lean towards town? Because if we accept that the roleclaim says very little about his alignment, I am left with the same nonsense in his filter as I saw yesterday.
On April 01 2012 13:50 Bluelightz wrote:
Snarfs, wbg, wiggles, tobon are town. any questions?

Yes, actually. Why do you think this:
On April 01 2012 15:18 Bluelightz wrote:
I haven't helped discussion and didn't explain my reads. I think the people I mentioned are town because they didn't seem to act like they are discussing stuff in a qt blah blah.I agree that we should coordinate our PoPs.

So, 8 posts into the game, you claim you can sniff out QT coordination? Trolololol.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the entire content of bluelightz filter if we ignore the QQ about his wifi and the repeated obtuse explanations of his role. So yeah, Bluelightz is pretty high on my scumometer (although current priorities should be on Syllo/Cephiro/Sbrubbles)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 19:37 GMT
#762
Syllo, how many town reads do you have right now?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#763
prpl you claimed Tobon looked bad but never actually furthered your argument on him. Care to explain why?
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#764
On April 04 2012 03:09 Tobon wrote:
@Sbrubbles: you are posting well, but you need to stop and pick someone else to analyze. Pointing the finger at Syllogism is too self-serving for you at the moment. Provide town with more analysis of someone _not_ in your little suspicious group of 3, and maybe you get reconsidered.

What do you think of Bluelightz, for instance?


Starting with bluelightz, compared to his play in Aperture (in which he was scum), he's posting just as little and no reads here whatsoever (there he made some fake reads as scum). There on day 1 he completely randomly suggested someone to be mayor, essencially pulling a crappy town read out of thin air and he did the same thing this game. His claimed ability sounds inspired by a town ability from DFM 1, and would in theory work to make it easier for town to get a few lynches off with less PoP. But, since scum have hidden push/pull abilities, it has a terrible potential to backfire. Also, he might be scum and telling the truth about his ability so he can lie about which space is safe. Although it outs him, it wastes a day of lynching and kills at least 2 townies, which would be worth it, especially since he already has suspicion on him. I think he's the best potential lynch right now.

Next, cascades contribution to town is nonexistant. He suggests a policy at the beggining of the game, uses his pull to check if Palmar was telling the truth (when, even if Palmar was scum, the was no reason for him to lie), threatens people for not posting (when his posting lacks in both number and quality) and makes a big post that contains solely his defence. I am for lynching him.

To not forget, there's MrZentor who was active at the begining of the game but seemingly disappeared (and also didn't use his PoP). I know it sounds like hypocrisy me calling someone a lurker, but in this case he was here from the beggining. Might be a good target for night checks/abilities and a good lynch target if he remains mia and we have enough PoPs.

Syllo and Cephi, I think we've made our points. Sure enough the rest of the town will know what to do when the day begins.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18100 Posts
April 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#765
Very late EBWOP to the post above. I just saw I quoted the wrong person. The quote at the top of my post should be this:
On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.

I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 03 2012 20:52 GMT
#766
why did risk nuke lie about the red light belonging to him?

and why did risk nuke not bother to explain his ability?
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:17 GMT
#767
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 03 2012 21:19 GMT
#768
On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?

Oh look another rolefish attempt
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 03 2012 21:20 GMT
#769
On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?

because concluding that would be fucking dumb
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
April 03 2012 21:23 GMT
#770
@layabout: He did explain it. He just did not explain it in the beginning. If scum is within 1 space of him the instance he uses his ability, a red light goes off.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:29 GMT
#771
I currently have 0 qualms about killing Tobon.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:30 GMT
#772
On April 04 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 06:17 Tobon wrote:
@layabout: while we are asking questions, why should we not conclude that your claimed inability to use PoPs is actually a lie to cover for being able to do hidden pushes, like the one that killed VE?

because concluding that would be fucking dumb


Layabout confirmed town. ;-)

I'm thinking syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr.Zentor for lynching, in that order.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:31 GMT
#773
On April 04 2012 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
I currently have 0 qualms about killing Tobon.


Why's that Bugs? Lay it out for us.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:32 GMT
#774
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:35 GMT
#775
On April 04 2012 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.


If I was scum, wouldn't I want you dead before you explained how scummy I was, instead of after, when your death would make your case look like it has that much more weight?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:40 GMT
#776
Who says I won't be explaining it later? There's still plenty of time left in this night.

Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:42 GMT
#777
On April 04 2012 05:52 layabout wrote:
why did risk nuke lie about the red light belonging to him?

and why did risk nuke not bother to explain his ability?

These are very good questions, by the way. The first one especially. The second, I could just see just not doing it in time - I did my stupid PoPs pretty quickly after the light came on.

Especially because risk.nuke is now trying to dissuade us from testing his role claim by killing some of the potential scum that it supposedly revealed:

On April 04 2012 02:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm thinking it might be better to ignore sburbbles ceph and syllogism for now.

Even if one of them dies and flip scum, it doesn't actually say anything about the others alignment.
It's good enough that we just have the information that there is evil toys in there.


So Risk, why do you think we should ignore these guys now? And what was your thought process in not wanting to claim the red light initially?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 03 2012 21:45 GMT
#778
On April 04 2012 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.

On April 04 2012 06:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Who says I won't be explaining it later? There's still plenty of time left in this night.

So you don't explain at night, except that you do explain at night?
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 03 2012 21:48 GMT
#779
Bugs give me all you got within the next 20 minutes!
Find the Mafia:
cephiro

syllo

sbrub
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:48 GMT
#780
Why 20 minutes, layabout?

I explain at the deadline.
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