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On April 03 2012 04:22 Cephiro wrote:
Thanks for reminding. Also, I don't like syllo's use of a push action. I suggest someone pushes me up once, then we pull syllo down twice, unless the beacon only works at that instant moment like risk claimed.
Uh, why wouldn't it work exactly like he says it does, unless you think he is scum and lying
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You misinterpreted the description, but in a manner that makes you look towny, so that leaves Sbrubbles
##pull Sbrubbles
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On April 03 2012 04:33 Cephiro wrote:
... What the hell syllo, you are looking so scummy to me right now, you just wasted 2 PoP for essentially nothing.
You pushed BM which doesn't get us anywhere, and now you pulled sbrubbles, which does not get us anywhere either, unless you are 100% certain that I am town and that risk's ability works only on that certain moment, and you're trying to pull Sbrubbles all the way down?
Please clarify to me what you tried to achieve by that pull?
Uh yes I'm trying to pull him all the way down, that's the shortest path to killing him and leaves pushes to be used for BM. You are being a bit too thick
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That was a sad attempt at getting rid of me. Now that I will actually be around to defend myself against the inane accusations, do actually specifically point out what I've said has been "contradictory" and why "outguessing the mod" is bad and what has been scummy about my play (nothing). WBG you basically lied about me "immediately " considering Cephire town and Cephiro you seem to be selectively pretending to be dumb.
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syllo chose to immediately believe risk.nuke's claim, but he didn't consider that Cephiro could be scum.
Which is demonstrably false and you know who I would have killed yesterday considering I used both of my actions. Why are you asking superfluous questions?
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There were, however, several people who thought risk was a police car DT before he even claimed
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You have a different definition of "immediately" than most and that is not calling someone town. Why do you keep misinterpreting what I've been saying? Moreover, how are those things relevant at all?
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On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.
Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)?
Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me.
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And I've made it quite clear why it is unlikely for BM's role to be in the game, and thus he is lying, especially if risk's more believable came is true
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On April 03 2012 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final.
Are you scum wbg? Why do you attempt to know what thought process went into my decision? Why don't you find it odd that many people used/wasted their PoPs very early and attempt to make it look like me using my own PoPs at pretty much the last possible moment, given my local time, is suspicious? I made the reasonable assumption that risk is indeed the dt role he claims to be, as it's a very risky fake claim to do on day 1, especially with the possibility of the "real one" being out there. That left me with two targets for my pull and out of those sbrabbles was the obvious choice given that some of the things cephiro had posted looked town to me.
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On April 03 2012 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:58 syllogism wrote:On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.
Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)? Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me. you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects. Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly.
And no, it wasn't refuted by VE; in fact, I convinced him. It can not be "refuted" by anyone other than Ace and it's quite suspicious that few people are agreeing with me given that the logic behind my skepticism is sound. Now that I think about it, BM said he latched on to VE, so it's possible that he is responsible for getting VE killed.
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I didn't assume anything, that was just, as you even said, speculation based on the fact he says his role latches on to another player. There was no such a role in the previous game and I did not say that I considered that the most probable explanation for VE moving, but it was merely a random possibility that occurred to me.
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And I did not focus merely on the balance aspect of the two roles, though I certainly dispute the notion that they are equally powerful. Risk's role was present in the previous game and ace posted a red siren which further seems to substantiate his claim. It's certainly possible for there to be a mafia role that can produce such an effect, but it would be strange to use it on day 1 and his behavior otherwise gives me no reason to suspect his claim.
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Finally, you are still claiming that I called cephiro town. I did not. I said something he did was towny, which is an indication of increased probability of someone being town. I don't even understand where you get the idea the process was "quick".
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Your reason for thinking I'm scum is laughable to a point I don't believe it can actually be your honest take on the situation.
Syllo makes his case for some secondary voting mechanism by criticizing that free for all PoP allows both town and scum to waste their PoP. Then he throws away his vote on BM randomly. Free for all posting doesn't mean town doesn't try to reach a consensus and he pushes regardless. Is he trying to make his point about organized secondary voting being better or throwing away his vote as scum?
How was the vote on BM "thrown away" and "random? To the contrary, my vote/push was well reasoned and well timed. Perhaps the concept of time zones is foreign to you, even after I pointed it out, or are you being malignantly ignorant? There was no consensus, a significant portion of players had already used their votes and no one was willing to express their willingness to vote wbg/bm when I asked about it. Utter garbage.
His whole discussion with BM, questioning both the claim and game balance around it was an especially useless and space consuming discussion. BM's information isn't relevant for now and claim may or may not be true, but itself it wasn't scummish, so I don't see the point in dwelling in that.
This is also nonsense. Not all claims are equal and anyone familiar with how games are balanced can deduce whether a role is likely to be present in the game. While BM's claim is no neutral survivor balrog, it is still dubious.
Lastly he tries to buddy with you to quickly throw me down. No waiting for me to post? Just "pulling him because he hasn't posted yet"? At least it makes more sense than his BM push, but still, if I was gone for good, there would be reason to expect a replacement, so why rush on me?
Again, I can not "wait to post" when there is a more pressing deadline than the actual one; that is to say when I have to go to bed. The real question is why it took this long for you to actually post. Why "rush" on you? Because there is a believable red check which implicates either you or cephireo.
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Morning. If I see someone mentioning even once that I "wasted my push", I'm going be quite upset. Cephiro you are even a +2 GMT person and you are still pushing that drivel, what gives?
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Yes, you have been wanting that since the game began
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Do not push scumphiro to the item. Why would he even suggest that as town? He gives a very weak explanation for not being afraid of the nullify power or any other power that could possibly kill him. He isn't afraid because he knows there is nothing to be afraid of.
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On April 04 2012 14:01 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 13:59 syllogism wrote:
Yes, you have been wanting that since the game began Nope, that is false. Only since risk.nuke's Cop claim and your reaction to it. And especially now that Sbrubbles is dead, I know for 100% certainty that you are Evil. The only possible way that is not the case is if the Evil Toys have a framer (highly unlikely?), or risk.nuke fakeclaimed (doesn't seem very likely either?). So that leaves me the option of getting you killed.
No, that is correct because that is me saying you are a bad, bad toy.
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