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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today.
On the prix fixe menu today:
Amuse Bouche
cccalf
Entree
JW
Plats Principaux
ET
CC
Desserts
Voting someone
In any case, to start things off, my thoughts on our resident semi-inactive:
On March 27 2012 15:36 cccalf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,
I'm gonna take more looks at people,
Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.
IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up. You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.
You're on my "list". The reason for this is your short filter. The game's been going long enough I imagine you would have posted something besides some wishy washy statement on me. There are lots of things to talk about. Get off your ass and make some cases and votes.
A high-res pictorial analysis of the current cccalf situation:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Iu2Rg.png)
As you can see, cccalf has one short useless post, and is therefore on blzinghand's "list" of players who are hurting town.
Next up, I'll read through what JW has said in my absence and possibly re-evaluate my vote on him.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I may stumble across someone else jubjubbing or scumming it up too and post my thoughts on them if it seems reasonable to do so-- but to start things off I'll talk about what's been going on with these wagons.
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Zentor stop - he's on a roll. Let him finish.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
If you find my professional pictorial analysis diagrams to be obscure, that's not my fault. Sometimes this sort of high-level thinking just goes over people's heads. You should have paid more attention in art class.
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Please, continue BH. We're all waiting with bated breath.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I believe it's "baited" breath but yeah I was eating dinner. On it now.
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+ Show Spoiler [pwnt] +bate 1 (bt)
tr.v. bat·ed, bat·ing, bates
1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: "To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story" (George Eliot). See Usage Note at bait1.
2. To take away; subtract.
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I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now.
+ Show Spoiler [gg] +
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why would you include nationality in the c_c?
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Because he's nationality fishing johnny. He's trying to get town to tell him who is what nationality so they can try for the all-kill win-con. Why else?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I don't like the way in which JW unvoted me. It's not unreasonable to change your vote to someone else, or even unvote entirely if you're convinced by someone's defense. But let's take a look at the manner in which he unvotes:
On March 27 2012 17:00 johnnywup wrote:
BH was just pissing me off. In reality I don't really have any evidence that shows him to be scummy.
##unvote BlazingHand
This is actually pretty reasonable. He had no evidence, he was just mad. Okay. Let's read the rest of his post.
On March 27 2012 17:00 johnnywup wrote:
And I don't know why you keep saying "JW is so scummy! lynch lynch lynch!!!" and thats the essence of what you're saying.. And I don't have to give you a long response to a long post. Your long post doesn't say much, really. So neither does my response have to.
(Btw I was voting because of things I already said, not just things i said in the post that I voted in)
Now I'm confused again. JW, why did you vote me? Were you mad? Was it because of the "reasoning" you gave before you voted me? Or was it because of the "reasoning" that was in the voting post? It certainly wasn't the case I finally pressured you into giving me after the fact... so what's the deal?
Or are you just scum?
Taking a look at JW's posts following his unvote, he makes a case against ET and votes him. I don't think the case really holds water, but this is how I'd expect a newish town player to play.
Then, he defends C_C fairly aggressively against VE. But let's take a look at his next vote-change:
He starts off by addressing some pressure from ET, which isn't really related to the matter at hand. The latter end of his post, though, is:
On March 28 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name.
##unvote EchelonTee
##vote Cyber_Cheese
[spoiler ]note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played. [/spoiler]
Emphasis mine.
JW's reasoning is basically "I think VE is town, so I trust him. I wasn't able to understand why claiming a nationality was bad, but after some explanation, I get it now. I'm voting C_C to clear my name, but I don't think it'll help. Hey guys, I'm usually bad at this game, check my meta."
This is really bad. Whatever your personal thoughts are on people's alignment, you don't place the fate of your vote in their hands. I'm not entirely clear on whether C_C is town or scum, though I personally don't like his play. But I think that trying to shift the "blame" of your vote onto someone else like JW is doing here is either scummy or enormously bad town play. I'm gonna go with scummy. I don't like that he views the C_C lynch in terms of his own credibility. And I REALLY don't like the fact that he's referencing his own meta. It's very, very typical scum play to talk about how you're "bad" or "have trouble convincing people" or in general to publicly doubt yourself in this fashion. I can't tell from his post if he's trying to bus C_C, or if he knows C_C is town and is trying to absolve guilt, or what, but I can tell one thing for sure:
He's waffling, flip-floping, and hedging.
I don't like that.
I don't like it at all.
I see no reason to unvote JW at this point.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Next course: My analysis on C_C. I had reserved judgement until he posted more, and now that he has, let's see if he's scummy scum or awful town!
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I question C_C's logic with having an inactive with 1 post as TOWN, and an active and contributing guys as SCUM,I don't even know any more @_@
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Alright, so since he's scummy flag post, let's see what C_C is up to.
On March 28 2012 03:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.
Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz Preparing a decent explaination of my stance on him and a couple of others now, just throwing it out there in advance to give you more time to discuss
A shitty defense of his flag post, but the only one he could reasonably make. If he's town, that's probably the right move, since he doesn't want to claim a nationality-- and if he didn't know that before, he knows it now. If he's scum, he's trying to distance himself from that post. This tells us nothing beyond the fact that he made that flag post.
This sort of Bluelightz vote is what I'd expect from someone who's never played with Bluelightz. I personally have a great deal of trouble getting reads on Bluelightz in the games I've played with him. Bluelightz is typically utterly worthless as a townie, so much so that he looks vaguely scummy. As scum, he's usually fairly obvious as well. I'll have to make a determination on which he is after we clear out the obvious scum from this thread.
I like that he attacks Sinensis. I don't like that he doesn't press the issue.
On March 28 2012 08:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:johnny, I know you're not beyond reason. Allow me to share this with you: C_C's Filter from LJust peruse the first few pages and then come back in here and say that again with a straight face. He doesn't give a shit about finding scum in this game, and is only posting enough to alleviate suspicion (see: yourself). He's being intentionally thick in regards to his case (unwilling to even comment on my rebuttal) and he's being intentionally vague about his reasoning behind posting the flag he posted in his first post. Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support. What's this? Fear tactics half way into day 1? Shutting down other potential candidates?
A legitimate criticism of VE's statement. I don't like single-wagon towns-- this typically means something is wrong. That being said, C_C is smart enough that he'd make this statement as scum as well. I find this unconvincing.
He has some various prods and defending statements in his filter (which, although short, contains lots of words), but what jumps out at me is this, his most recent post, and voteswitch:
On March 28 2012 08:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Johnnywup
Blatently defending me to that extent.
Not many townies would have logically done it, but scum will know I flip town and end up looking good afterwards.
He's my best read.
I think town CC would do this. Town CC would notice JW and be like "what the hell man" and vote him. I'd anticipate a bit more of a case, but this is exactly what CC would do in this situation if he were town, because JW is being super weird. That being said, Scum CC might also do this. It's a decent bus, and JW can better justify his vote against CC on emotional grounds since he's established as a shitty, emotional player.
The thing both of these scenarios have in common is that JW is scum. Either a town CC is trying to make the most of his time left alive, or a scum CC is executing a fairly obvious bus.
This makes me more and more confident that lynching JW D1 is the best move.
On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. [spoi ler=gg] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WcKq7.png) [/spoiler]
I don't like this post, for obvious reasons. Another soft claim of being SU? + Show Spoiler [really?] + I mean, yes, it's the softest possible nationality claim, but it's STILL a soft claim. At this point, I'm not even sure this makes C_C scum, because it's not like anyone would respond to that by revealing their nationality. This post isn't scummy, it's just.... dumb.
I don't like C_C, but the case for him being scum SUPPORTS the case for JW being scum. At this moment I'd like to lynch JW, but if the CC wagon rolls across the finish line I would find that acceptable, if sub-optimal.
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Back from work.
On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] +
So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality.
Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi.
##vote: Cyber_Cheese
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On March 28 2012 11:28 johnnywup wrote:
why would you include nationality in the c_c?
I had the nationality to begin with, before my first post.
It's irrelevant anyway, your whole team is already pegged.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese
Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is?
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On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is?
It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 28 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:53 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese Let me get this straight: you think that this post you've quoted somehow has anything to do with anyone's nationality? C_C only knows his own nationality... and he's already soft-claimed AND backtracked SU. There's literally no way he was gonna align-fish anything with this latter post that he wouldn't have already with the first post, assuming people are reading the thread. This is a bad and scummy reason to vote for C_C. Was the flag not enough, but somehow this graphic is? It is the combination of the flag and the graphic, and the fact that he is segregating names in his graphic based on nationality.
Explain how the segregating names in his graphic based on nationality does anything to help scum or hurt town?
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