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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#321
She's all yours jdub. I'll be back just before lynch tomorrow. Hopefully you've convinced some dudes.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#322
Are you sure you aren't mocking me?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:25 GMT
#323
I'm not mocking you. I'm fucking pissed off because I've spent all this time scumhunting and you think "Oh, his argument is shit"

How about you tell me WHY it's shit rather than just ignoring what I say and ignoring the evidence? "I don't like meta" Oh really? That's not what you said in C9++ where we SMOKED THE FUCK OUT OF SCUM TOGETHER.

I'm pissed off because you fooled me into thinking you're town, but your actions in the last 15 minutes have shown me that you're actually, in fact, the last scum.

/facepalm

You broke my heart jdub.

</3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:27 GMT
#324
So what I'm doing now is lynching your target, hoping that you're gifting me the third scum, and then pushing for C_C or gonzaw or yourself tomorrow. That's what I'm doing. Mocking you doesn't even factor in.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
March 27 2012 23:28 GMT
#325
i'm not really sure how to respond to this because it doesn't make sense
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is...

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On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote:
so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted.

AKA

Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good.

First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine.

no your arguement wasn't strong. this post didn't make any sense. i could detail to you exactly why it doesn't, but you're going to have to do some thinking sometime.

On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
But the thing is, previously you said
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.

which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart.

what? you didn't actually state anything by bringing up this quote. in this post, and in your atk on BH, you draw several quotes but don't actually use them to prove anything. my english professor would fail you.

On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote:
here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET.

I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4.

In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale.


You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum?

Why so hypocritical?
##vote: EchelonTee

once again, you take one of my quotes and completely ignore what i said. you still haven't provided a single actual reason why i'm "super suspicious". whatever. I had the same STANCE as you (blazinghand a scummy fck) but my ARGUMENT was constructed definitely. as in it made sense while yours, upon further investigation, feels fabricated and false.

don't link myself and you; you're scummy not because of your bad arguement. it's because your reasoning for voting BH is fake. just look at this. does anyone srsly think this is a good reason to vote someone? it reminds me of when TKHawkins tried to bandwagon me in surprisingly normal VII. Get your vote off me, you're not starting a wagon on me today.


VE, the fact that you think mr.wup is onto something here makes me very worried about your sanity.

looking over current cases now. off hand i'm between gonzaw and C_C. don't like froggy/mr. wup either but they're not for today's lynch
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#326
Yeah, and I thought you weren't today's lynch ET. Shows how much we both know. *shrug*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#327
herp derp, I feel that the CC argument is stronger

##Unvote
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese


EchelonTee looks townie, he has substance unlike say, cccalf?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:29 GMT
#328
*sigh* I never said I was better than you VE. I said that based on the evidence laid before me, I cannot find the connection that says C_C is scum. Suspicious, maybe, but I haven't seen anything that points to him being scum. You can't just say that he's scum and make me think "oh! he's scum!". I see your argument, I just can't make the connection that you're making. I don't like arguments that RELY on meta (im assuming that means other games). Arguments that INCLUDE meta are fine in my book. I can't see any other argument, but maybe I'm just stupid and can't add 2 and 2. The problem I have is that I legitimately don't understand what you're arguing.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
March 27 2012 23:30 GMT
#329
LOL what just happened ?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 27 2012 23:32 GMT
#330
What is this.... I don't even...
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:38 GMT
#331
On March 27 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway...

If anyone is interested in lynching scum, perhaps I could interest you in a hot juicy Cyber_Cheese.

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
[image loading]
Alright boys, lets do this.

On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU!

Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?


The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark.

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On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.

Taking this into account, this post looks terrible, and here's why: in the initial post, he had made an underhanded accusation of me trying to hide some sort of underlying guilt by a show of bravado or something, and when I called him out on it rather than continue that line of thinking any further he responds as he should have in the first place and comments on the content in my post.

Which begs the question: why did he attack me in the first place? What was the point? I'd been one of the few to actually post in the game so far, what's the point of raising suspicion of someone if you're not even going to respond back when asked?

My vote is going on Cyber_Cheese and if you're town, I'd go my early interactions with him and tell me what you think.

##Vote: Cyber_Cheese

This was my initial case, which was strong enough as it was. Indications from C_C's first two posts:
  • Nationality Fishing
  • underhanded shit-slinging
  • Afraid to draw attention to himself
  • Selectively responding to posts

Ever since then, he's only strengthened my case: go look at his case on Bluelightz, it's laughably bad. I responded to every point and all he had to say to that was "Awww, he's defending him". He's not interested in finding scum with us, and he's doing a piss-poor job of pretending to be interested in helping us.

And then, there's meta.

So whatever the hell you're talking about "not seeing a connection to being scum", keep it. Push your ET train and we'll see what happens with it. I'm gonna vote for C_C because he's scum and he's gonna fucking die today. If you stand in my way, you'll have to explain your reluctance after he flips scum. I'm fully prepared to explain my enthusiasm if he flips town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:39 GMT
#332
##Unvote: EchelonTee
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#333
On March 28 2012 08:28 EchelonTee wrote:
i'm not really sure how to respond to this because it doesn't make sense
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is...

On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote:
so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted.

AKA

Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good.

First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine.

no your arguement wasn't strong. this post didn't make any sense. i could detail to you exactly why it doesn't, but you're going to have to do some thinking sometime.

I really don't see why the argument was that bad. I dunno what to say, sorry? I don't know. I don't understand how it's so vastly different.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
But the thing is, previously you said
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.

which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart.

what? you didn't actually state anything by bringing up this quote. in this post, and in your atk on BH, you draw several quotes but don't actually use them to prove anything. my english professor would fail you.

Yeah I'm pretty bad at that lol. I tried to draw them all together at the end but I guess it didn't go well :/

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On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote:
On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote:
here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET.

I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4.

In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale.


You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum?

Why so hypocritical?
##vote: EchelonTee

once again, you take one of my quotes and completely ignore what i said. you still haven't provided a single actual reason why i'm "super suspicious". whatever. I had the same STANCE as you (blazinghand a scummy fck) but my ARGUMENT was constructed definitely. as in it made sense while yours, upon further investigation, feels fabricated and false.

How? I really don't see the difference. And I was asking the question why I become more scummy since you had a similar argument (I really don't see the difference on how my argument more scummy).

don't link myself and you; you're scummy not because of your bad arguement. it's because your reasoning for voting BH is fake. just look at this. does anyone srsly think this is a good reason to vote someone? it reminds me of when TKHawkins tried to bandwagon me in surprisingly normal VII. Get your vote off me, you're not starting a wagon on me today.

I've mentioned before that I voted based on the reasons I had posted prior to that post, and that was only an additional point..alone it would be a bad reason to vote for someone, yes.

---
I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name.
##unvote EchelonTee
##vote Cyber_Cheese


+ Show Spoiler +
note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 23:50 GMT
#334
On March 28 2012 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
This was my initial case, which was strong enough as it was. Indications from C_C's first two posts:
  • Nationality Fishing
  • underhanded shit-slinging
  • Afraid to draw attention to himself
  • Selectively responding to posts

Ever since then, he's only strengthened my case: go look at his case on Bluelightz, it's laughably bad. I responded to every point and all he had to say to that was "Awww, he's defending him". He's not interested in finding scum with us, and he's doing a piss-poor job of pretending to be interested in helping us.

Yeah?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:55 GMT
#335
Yeah C_C. Yeah.

@jdub
Dude, it's fine - just try and think in terms of 'why' rather than 'what'. Actions are important, but the motivations are what separate town from scum.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
March 27 2012 23:56 GMT
#336
##Unvote
##Vote Johnnywup

Blatently defending me to that extent.
Not many townies would have logically done it, but scum will know I flip town and end up looking good afterwards.
He's my best read.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 27 2012 23:57 GMT
#337
Also Johnny, it's just that easy for your vote to be manipulated. Just FYI. I prefer you lynch C_C, but I really don't care if you think ET is actually scum - I'll get this wagon across the finish without you if I need to. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 28 2012 00:01 GMT
#338
when did I defend you C_C? I only said I thought VE's argument against you was bad, at the time. I never said I thought you were town.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 28 2012 00:01 GMT
#339
"Without youuuuu, without youuuuuuu!~~~"

My Mind was being destroyed
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 28 2012 00:57 GMT
#340
Oooooh I sing of dead threeeead....


Ooooooh I sing of joyous tidiiiiings when we lynch Cheeeeeeese...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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