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If Risen actually is a Detective, he hasn't done a very good job at playing his role... He has created a ton of spam and confusion, undermined the birth of useful discussion, and made us talk about only himself and Acrofales for countless pages. All this seems like Mafia play, although I don't understand why he wants to get himself killed, regardless of his alignment (and him being Detective doesn't even prove that Acrofales is Mafia, so what's the point?). All I can think of is that he is A) a really anti-town Detective or B) a really reckless Mafia player.
There are 8 votes on him already, so I doubt this bandwagon will turn around in these remaining 20(?) hours. So, the wisest move would be to change the focus from arguing about Risen's questionable logic to analyzing the events of the day 1 lynch and especially night 1 kills.
MrZentor already had a good take on DoYouHas earlier: most likely he was killed because of his focus on Alderan or risk.nuke (probably not both, but you never know). He was also quite calm and analytic, which is bad news for Mafia, so it's not 100% certain that Alderan or risk.nuke is Mafia. Still, I would keep a close eye on these two.
Acrofales also made a post about SamuelLJackson, although I don't really agree with his conclusion - the blue kill was most likely just a surprise bonus, and what Mafia really wanted was to stop him from speaking. The reason for that could be any or all of the following: A) he had solid, calm analysis B) he was an experienced player C) he suspected GreYMisT and chaoser. Any one of these reasons would make for a good Mafia kill, and the possible combination of them all would make a very necessary Mafia kill. Think about it: if I was GreYMisT or chaoser and I saw some veteran like SamuelLJackson coming after me, I would want him dead right away. But certainly his experience alone would have made him a good target.
(By the way, gumshoe, how long have you been offline? 3 days? Since nobody else seems interested in you, I'll just leave you on my watch list, but you better do something useful once you reappear from your lurking. Same with evantrees - this guy hasn't really contributed anything yet! Is he aiming for a world record on lurking or something? Try to at least appear useful or you're merely a bandwagon-hopping voting machine...)
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Haha, just as I encourage evantrees to post he does that :D
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only got sort of ninjaed once not twice at least...
Indeed gumshoe where are you? and OriginalName to a lesser extent.
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Been running around like a chicken with my head cut off today with work.
I have a couple more hours to tie up some loose ends and I'll catch up on the past 5 pages.
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On March 26 2012 09:47 Alderan wrote:
Been running around like a chicken with my head cut off today with work.
I have a couple more hours to tie up some loose ends and I'll catch up on the past 5 pages.
I think you're scum.
How do you feel about that?
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Alright guys I apoligize for not being present today. I had to move back into college, deal with a ton of aperture mafia stuff, and then play dota.
I've been trying to keep up with the thread through all of this and I retain my vote on risen. I will reread all that I missed and have an idea of where i want to move after the lynch.
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On March 26 2012 08:59 evantrees wrote:
Sorry waited a bit due to being uncertain if curu wasn't just late with a pm due to reason for tiny daypost. So pmed him asking then went to bed.
I was not hit last night, so mostly likely roleblocked SLJ. I really don't see SLJ being jailed, vigged and hit by scum.
Which would mean there could be two roleblockers, someone could have jailed bugs or bugs could be lieing.
@Sinensis respond or post at all?
Hey evantrees we missed you nice of you to join us here on page 47. What took so long for you to respond to me voting for you ever since Day 1? You had time for some random 1 liners but no time for me? That hurts my feelings. Who are you voting for today? I see you voted Mattchew yesterday, here's the explanation you offered:
Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now
That isn't a very solid case you made, but it was day 1 and Mattchew was being a little disagreeable at the time. Not really that suspicious, though it does leave some reasoning to be desired.
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incredibly busy at work and school today. I will be voting risen to help actually consolidate votes for today and allow for a town controlled lynch
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Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all?
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On March 26 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote:
Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all? wut?
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bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either.
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On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote:
bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either.
Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion?
Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case.
Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion.
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On March 26 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote:
If Risen actually is a Detective, he hasn't done a very good job at playing his role... He has created a ton of spam and confusion, undermined the birth of useful discussion, and made us talk about only himself and Acrofales for countless pages. All this seems like Mafia play, although I don't understand why he wants to get himself killed, regardless of his alignment (and him being Detective doesn't even prove that Acrofales is Mafia, so what's the point?). All I can think of is that he is A) a really anti-town Detective or B) a really reckless Mafia player.
There are 8 votes on him already, so I doubt this bandwagon will turn around in these remaining 20(?) hours. So, the wisest move would be to change the focus from arguing about Risen's questionable logic to analyzing the events of the day 1 lynch and especially night 1 kills.
MrZentor already had a good take on DoYouHas earlier: most likely he was killed because of his focus on Alderan or risk.nuke (probably not both, but you never know). He was also quite calm and analytic, which is bad news for Mafia, so it's not 100% certain that Alderan or risk.nuke is Mafia. Still, I would keep a close eye on these two.
Acrofales also made a post about SamuelLJackson, although I don't really agree with his conclusion - the blue kill was most likely just a surprise bonus, and what Mafia really wanted was to stop him from speaking. The reason for that could be any or all of the following: A) he had solid, calm analysis B) he was an experienced player C) he suspected GreYMisT and chaoser. Any one of these reasons would make for a good Mafia kill, and the possible combination of them all would make a very necessary Mafia kill. Think about it: if I was GreYMisT or chaoser and I saw some veteran like SamuelLJackson coming after me, I would want him dead right away. But certainly his experience alone would have made him a good target.
(By the way, gumshoe, how long have you been offline? 3 days? Since nobody else seems interested in you, I'll just leave you on my watch list, but you better do something useful once you reappear from your lurking. Same with evantrees - this guy hasn't really contributed anything yet! Is he aiming for a world record on lurking or something? Try to at least appear useful or you're merely a bandwagon-hopping voting machine...)
You can't analyize night kills. Too much WIFOM.
I personally am suspicious of risk.nuke. What he is doing seems exactly like what happened for the majority of election mafia. For those of you who had not read that game Risk made a case on me day1, and then relentlessly pushed it down everyone's throats. The difference in these 2 instances is that in that game his reasons were somewhat founded. Anyone who actually reads the case on me this game by him will see it is almost completely based on my "Lying" about my joke at the start of the game. My feeling is that he is trying to emulate his play from election mafia, in an attempt to appear so aggressive that he has to be a townie.
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You keep brining that game up as if it were a defense against you. I was supicious of you because you played scummy. Period. I don't know if it was part of your strategy in order to avoid beeing nightkilled by the mafia because you were a medic or something else but you were forced to roleclaim in order to not get lynched which means I wasn't tunneling you that game. You played poorly and I took notice of that which is a big difference.
I know you are mafia. It's just a matter of time before I can convince the others of it, and I'm not in a rush. I play mafia with my focus on the endgame and you will not survive it so as far as I care, I consider you a lynched man walking. And I got several ideas of whom your scumbuddies might be.
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On March 27 2012 00:48 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote:
bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either. Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion? Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case. Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion.
I generated discussion all of yesterday. where the hell were you?
oh right, you were being wishy washy on your thoughts on risen.
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On March 26 2012 21:50 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote:
Also as one final nail in the coffin Risen, if you were dt and sure that acro was scum, why bother checking him at all? wut?
It's pretty simple. If you are sure someone is mafia, then checking them isn't useful.
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Chaoser what do you think of OriginalName. I haven't played with him but I'm sort of expecting more from him?
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Have to admit that today is a busy day at work for me too. Wrapping things up, but don't expect to have much time tonight either.
GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?
Lyter and Evantrees: your filters are even emptier than Gumshoe's. Who are your top 3 scum and why? Who do you think is town?
OriginalName: you had some good posts at the start of this game, but have disappeared all night and day. You started off voting SLJ and switched to Evantrees. Do you think Evantrees is scum? Do you think Risen is scum? How about Sinensis?
Risk.nuke: your case against greymist is really bad. You misinterpreted his sarcasm. Would you still think he is mafia if you imagine his first 3 posts did not happen?
I think my own stance is pretty clear. Risen is scum and should be lynched today. His DT claim is so ridiculous, together with his followup this morning, that he is either the worst townie in history, or mafia. I refuse to believe players can be as bad as he is, so he must be mafia.
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On March 27 2012 01:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 00:48 Oberyn wrote:On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote:
bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either. Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion? Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case. Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion. I generated discussion all of yesterday. where the hell were you? oh right, you were being wishy washy on your thoughts on risen.
I'd hardly call your little chart of possibilities much of a contribution.
The only other thing you've provided is misrepresenting a 1:1 trade for a 6:1 trade. The night hits are going to resolve whether we lynch a scum player or not. You come up with this conspiracy PGO theory, but that honestly can't be the explanation you think is most likely.
worst case scenario, a mafia risen gets lynched day two
best case scenario, mafia gets a single mislynch and limits discussion and a mafia risen gets lynched day three
I don't understand how you call this a great plan.
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On March 27 2012 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Chaoser what do you think of OriginalName. I haven't played with him but I'm sort of expecting more from him?
he's sucking it up. big time. his big post on gumshoe could have been summed up by it's opening sentence of
I just dont get this dude, half the things he says seem to just scream posting for the sake of posting with huge paragraphs filled with nothingness
and then maybe one example for support. Instead it criticizes gumshoe in a "i'm criticizing you but not really" kind way. It feels like a whole lot of empty gas basically. All show, no bite. Which sums the rest of his posting as well. In particular is this post:
On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote:
I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ
which is funny because ON fits most of those criteria as well, especially with the vote finally ending on evantree.
He's on my shortlist for mafia.
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