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On March 26 2012 05:37 Zealos wrote:
Oh dear dear, where to start. One you were the first to OMGUS when you called me as a really bad townie, at which point I responded by saying you are not bad, but instead scum. But instead of reading the content of my post, you tried to deflect the nature of my argument, solidifying your position as scum.
You should stop posting. When I flip town DT you're going to be in some hot water if you're a townie...
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On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong)
You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you.
For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one.
That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen.
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On March 26 2012 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong) You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you. For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one. That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen.
I'm really confused by your play. You know I'm going to flip town DT, why are you going so hard on me being scum?
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It really feels like you are clutching at straws at this point. Earlier you were saying it was best if we lynch you and acro? Now you're just trying to defend yourself?
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On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong)
Dude... -_-
Whatever I'm going to work be back in 6 hours.
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On March 26 2012 05:41 Zealos wrote:
It really feels like you are clutching at straws at this point. Earlier you were saying it was best if we lynch you and acro? Now you're just trying to defend yourself?
I'm still hoping when town wakes up they will look at Mattchew's posts and think that oh hey, yeah it's probably better to lynch acro day 2 and the guaranteed scum Risen if he flips town day 3. Instead we're lynching the town DT day 2 and scum acro day 3. I think option 1 is a lot more logical, but apparently I'm missing something. Apparently presenting all options to town (saying what to do if I flip scum) is scummy. I thought it was pro-town.
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On March 26 2012 05:39 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong) You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you. For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one. That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen. I'm really confused by your play. You know I'm going to flip town DT, why are you going so hard on me being scum?
I don't know for sure what you'll flip but based on analysis alone it's 95% scum.
I've never seen you act this way in all your games as town. In the game I cohosted with Incog where you were a medic you at least responded to and used reason and logic. Here you're just running around seeding as much chaos as possible like a chicken with its head cut off.
Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie.
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On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling.
hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now.
Care to explain?
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On March 26 2012 05:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie.
Welcome to TL Mafia.
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I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you.
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On March 26 2012 05:46 Zealos wrote:
I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you.
I'm just confused, I didn't think my play wasn't pro-town since my claims were so easy to check. We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3. That isn't bad, is it? In a game with only 4 scum dropping them to 3 by the end of day 3 is decent positioning imo, and tbh I really am having a hard time understanding why people are voting for the guy who openly claimed and told everyone what his check was instead of the guy who hasn't claimed anything.
In a normal game without the third party threatening to shoot me I wouldn't have panicked. It's my fault we're in the position we are in, and I acknowledge that.
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On March 26 2012 05:45 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling. hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now. Care to explain?
Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure.
In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad.
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EBWOP: I think it's pretty clear, but scum love stuff like this so I'll reiterate what I mean by "We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3." No that isn't a scum slip, I'm presenting to town what they do should acro flip town. It won't happen, but you don't know that, so I present it as a possibility.
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On March 26 2012 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:45 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling. hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now. Care to explain? Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure. In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad.
I think your argument ignores the fact that C9++ didn't have an all-knowing third party pressure.
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Because most townies don't have a role to claim!
You can't be town, if you were town you'd actually see the gaping holes inyour own logic.
That's why when one person claims to have a check on another, after taking suspicion, you kill the guy who analysis determines is more likely to be scum. As of now there is no case on Acro and the best case is Risen. Risen claiming DT doesn't change that one bit.
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On March 26 2012 05:56 Risen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2012 05:46 Zealos wrote:
I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you. I'm just confused, I didn't think my play wasn't pro-town since my claims were so easy to check. We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3. That isn't bad, is it? In a game with only 4 scum dropping them to 3 by the end of day 3 is decent positioning imo, and tbh I really am having a hard time understanding why people are voting for the guy who openly claimed and told everyone what his check was instead of the guy who hasn't claimed anything. In a normal game without the third party threatening to shoot me I wouldn't have panicked. It's my fault we're in the position we are in, and I acknowledge that.
Because day 2 claims don't verify town whatsoever. And lynching you now and then acro tomorrow if you flip DT means we still get the mafia hit. Also, if acro is mafia, then the whole of the mafia team now know you are DT, so you are pretty dead anyways.
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On March 26 2012 06:01 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 05:45 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM. Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player). we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2. If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible. Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling. hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now. Care to explain? Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure. In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad. I think your argument ignores the fact that C9++ didn't have an all-knowing third party pressure.
Nice assumption, moron.
I'm not all knowing.
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On March 26 2012 05:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:37 Zealos wrote:
Oh dear dear, where to start. One you were the first to OMGUS when you called me as a really bad townie, at which point I responded by saying you are not bad, but instead scum. But instead of reading the content of my post, you tried to deflect the nature of my argument, solidifying your position as scum. You should stop posting. When I flip town DT you're going to be in some hot water if you're a townie...
And what is this garbage? It's just total filler. Even if you do roll DT, my reasoning is still completely sound. Either you're a shit DT, or a reasonable Mafia, which is what I am hedging my bets on.
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On March 26 2012 06:01 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:56 Risen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2012 05:46 Zealos wrote:
I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you. I'm just confused, I didn't think my play wasn't pro-town since my claims were so easy to check. We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3. That isn't bad, is it? In a game with only 4 scum dropping them to 3 by the end of day 3 is decent positioning imo, and tbh I really am having a hard time understanding why people are voting for the guy who openly claimed and told everyone what his check was instead of the guy who hasn't claimed anything. In a normal game without the third party threatening to shoot me I wouldn't have panicked. It's my fault we're in the position we are in, and I acknowledge that. Because day 2 claims don't verify town whatsoever. And lynching you now and then acro tomorrow if you flip DT means we still get the mafia hit. Also, if acro is mafia, then the whole of the mafia team now know you are DT, so you are pretty dead anyways.
Sure you still get the mafia hit, but now mafia doesn't have to spend shots night 2 on me since I'm positive the town doc would protect me (means mafia has to double stack their shots on me). On top of this you get to use your day 3 lynch on someone who you think is scummy come day 3. Easy logic. I think you're really scummy and I hope you aren't town since you're pretty much getting lynched day 4/5/6 at this point depending on how much hate lurkers accrue over the course of the next few days (real-life days)
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Even if you flipped DT, there is no reason that puts me into a scum position. You are just using threats as an attempt to stop me from pressing my case. Give us a good reason to believe you're DT, before I roleclaim as Godfather and claim you're one of my mafia buddies, as your reasoning is that roleclaims are always truthful.
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