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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 22 2012 01:59 Jayjay54 wrote: so you ignore completely ignore his ability? I might add that his abilty is probably town favoured regardless of his alignment. Could you clarify what you are talking about? I'm not seeing any description of an ability in his filter. Not sure, his posts have all been mostly spam and he is going to be a headache to deal with during late game if he doesn't change his play. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:04 Mementoss wrote: Hey guys I guess I have a lot of reading and figuring out to do, a lot more people to think about compared to the minis im used to haha. Will try to catch up to the thread decently fast, have been following the game lightly since it started. Hi Mementoss! :D | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:07 kitaman27 wrote: Could you clarify what you are talking about? I'm not seeing any description of an ability in his filter. Not sure, his posts have all been mostly spam and he is going to be a headache to deal with during late game if he doesn't change his play. yea, I didn't really put that well. I say his role is good and town favoured regardless of alignment, which is why I want him to be alive. nisani can play much better...which makes me think he is scum... and your first case on wiggles was just bad reasoning...he is not looking exactly strong, but he has at least put a little effort in it. there are better targets tbh. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
dont lynch dirkpalmar. He was just trying to play without having to worry with meta it seems. he is also making sense. Lynch blue or kenpachi, anyone who has way less potential of being useless. I guess kitaman also may be included into this with his wishywashness. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
Now, I would rather lynch Palmar because he is a massively underperforming smurfing veteran. The only reads he gave us before I called him out a bunch of times as a veteran were omguses, and he only showed up in the thread when he wanted to defend himself. Did you see the way he walked into the thread 1/2 way through the day, offered nothing new to the discussion, jumped on the obvious 3rd party bandwagon, then disappeared again. This seems like Palmar's scum laziness to the max, only really starting to give off reads after I make it clear that he's not a new player. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:19 Grackaroni wrote: Did you see the way he walked into the thread 1/2 way through the day, offered nothing new to the discussion, jumped on the obvious 3rd party bandwagon, then disappeared again. See? This is the foolishness case. It is wrong! He was the second player after me to vote Drazek. He didn't join the bandwagon. He started it with me. That post at that time was completely appropriate. He voted Draz for the right reasons way earlier than most of you guys. I don't know why everyone thinks that this post didn't add anything... This is what happens when you take posts out of context. Also palmar: it's sad that I have to defend you here, because you don't care. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:25 Jayjay54 wrote: See? This is the foolishness case. It is wrong! He was the second player after me to vote Drazek. He didn't join the bandwagon. He started it with me. That post at that time was completely appropriate. He voted Draz for the right reasons way earlier than most of you guys. I don't know why everyone thinks that this post didn't add anything... This is what happens when you take posts out of context. Also palmar: it's sad that I have to defend you here, because you don't care. I don't care if he was the 2nd person on the bandwagon of a claimed 3rd party, he didn't give a shit about scumhunting. If you think he doesn't care then there's probably a reason for that. I was actually hoping that Palmar would be in this game to help lead the town, not anymore. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:31 Grackaroni wrote: I don't care if he was the 2nd person on the bandwagon of a claimed 3rd party, he didn't give a shit about scumhunting. If you think he doesn't care then there's probably a reason for that. I was actually hoping that Palmar would be in this game to help lead the town, not anymore. It is kind of obvious to anyone that he doesn't really care about this game. however, like I said, his posts about draz and foolishness were both completely understandable to me. And he actually did stuff other than sheeping...Even if I don't agree with the kita case, he still at least provides stuff others don't. And again, his ability is townish and I want to keep him around. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:17 Jayjay54 wrote: yea, I didn't really put that well. I say his role is good and town favoured regardless of alignment, which is why I want him to be alive. I'm still not sure I grasp what you are saying. Are you aware of Palmar's role or something? Palmar, does what jayjay is saying mean anything to you? On March 22 2012 02:35 Hassybaby wrote: I can see the arguements about it being scumPalmar because of he relatively inactive nature this game, but to me it feels more like he has a role he doesn't find as interesting. This is about the weakest explanation I've ever seen. I just looked at your contributions today and they have been completely absent. What gives? Who is your lynch preference? You mentioned it was Palmar before. Now that he has revealed his identity, you think he is just apathetic? On March 22 2012 02:18 Zephirdd wrote: dont lynch dirkpalmar. He was just trying to play without having to worry with meta it seems. How in the world is this indicative of alignment? Palmar, what is your opinion of all these people jumping out of nowhere to defend you for incredibly weak reasons? | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On March 21 2012 07:52 Sbrubbles wrote: Few questions here: @Midnight + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 06:40 MidnightGladius wrote: Did anyone else get item-blocked by the Breaker card, or was it just me? Kita, everyone I've posted about my role has been true. When I said that I had no role abilities and won with the town, that was in the context of people worrying that a PR Wheatley might have to be killed later on if his win-condition changed. Midnight, can you share with us what you meant by the "item-blocked" thing? Also, what's up with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote: I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role. On March 19 2012 12:12 Grackaroni wrote: Because MG is masoned with me and has a similar role. He is trying to collect potatoes. he just posted the bit about the lemons to make my lemon tree planting seem less suspicious Anyone trying to get potatoes? grow them. As far as I can tell, your only response was to call him silly. Did I miss something? @Kita, from what's been happening, I wouldn't see it bad to lynch Kenpachi. His play is way too erratic and borderline suicidal for a town player (though it doesn't rule out a mostly harmless 3rd party). Can you explain a bit what GMarshall has to do with the planar dragon? Do you assume Kenpachi and Drazerk had a connection because Drazerk checked him and found out he was also 3rd party? + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 02:58 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason I can think of Kenpachi having a GMarshal fake claim would be if he is the third party planar dragon. If that is the case, I don't think he should be today's lynch as we already used yesterday to eliminate a third party player. Lastly, after rereading the thread, bluelightz's posting really stands out as strange. He volunteers Wiggles (who, also kinda oddly) completely ignores it, then he keeps pushing it until a nonsensical post by Drazerk that makes him change his mind. After this he sticks to calling out lurkers mostly, targets Kenpachi and lurks from day 2 till now. He has made some suspicious moves but hopefully he can come explain himself. Otherwise I see him as valid lynch. His filter is pretty similar to that. A lot of questions and a couple of comments as to what has happened, but not too much after that. If we're talking apathy, he's barely done anything. I'd rather lynch him over Palmar right now | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 22 2012 02:50 Jayjay54 wrote: yes I know stuff about his role, I posted that like three times now. I'm asking you to clarify how, if you're going to use it to soft defend him. I'm heading out to a Sabres game so I won't be around for the lynch tonight. -_- | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 22 2012 03:17 kitaman27 wrote: I'm asking you to clarify how, if you're going to use it to soft defend him. I'm heading out to a Sabres game so I won't be around for the lynch tonight. -_- a softdefend is all I can offer you. even, if you knew his entire abilities, you still can't know his alignment. I am not claiming to know his alignment, but his ability is kinda townish. I also believe that his role is townfavoured regardless of his actual alignment... If you don't believe me, what would be the use of giving you all the indicators. I might be lying afterall. This doesn't render me more believable than I am now, but scum would def know all the information too and can play accordingly (obv). no, I won't give you any more than this, I probably already gave away too much. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On March 22 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote: So you're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after constructing a poor case, yet before you stated that you would support his lynch? Why does a anti-town action make you less willing to lynch him? This has already been answered, but I trust JayJay's claim about Dirk, contingent on his claim about Nisani. I've had a town read on JayJay for a while now, and as it makes no sense for him to lie about Nisani, I just don't see any motivations for him to lie about Dirk. His weak case notwithstanding, I don't think that he is the correct lynch today. I'm also taking a look at the votes as they stand now, and I've noticed something real bizarre. Bluelightz votes for Kenpachi in the thread here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13997915) but never votes for him in the voting thread. Afterwards, a ton of people cast votes without a corresponding ##Vote in the thread, which makes it really difficult for me to see who actually justified their vote. Here are the players that cast a vote without making a post in the thread at around the same time: - blubbdavid (on Bluelightz): posts a weak attack on Bluelightz 2 hours before voting, - Paperscraps (on Dirk): votes 5 hours after his last post in the thread. After we lynch Bluelightz today, I would definitely take a further look at these two. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I will be back and forth through the thread and I wanted to make sure I posted my vote and my thoughts on it. A lot of it has been covered- and I find it convincing.. especially his activity on other threads, yet not here.. that to me is significant.. My REAL preference for the lynch is Sinani, but since he's supposed to get shot.. we will see what happens with that... As for Kenpachi- I'm fairly confident he isn't town.. but that doesnt necessarily mean we should lynch him right now...at least in terms of the information we would get from it. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 22 2012 01:58 Jayjay54 wrote: well, if you look through his filter, it is all cotton candy. He literally posts no single read. It's fluff. then again, I learned he is a new player... memmtoss, david, mav and shrubbles too I think. This doesn't make things easier... This is at least ghosts third game, I was in another two games with him were we both lived pretty long (D4 at least). All I can say is that this reaction On March 21 2012 06:56 ghost_403 wrote: @phagga - You posted earlier that I've been inactive this game compared to previous, and you're right. I'm trying to do a better job at scum hunting this game. If you look back at the two games I've played previous, the players I've argued with the most both turned out to be town. If I see someone behaving scummy, I won't hesitate to call them out, but otherwise I'm going to resign myself to taking it easy and making sure that the town doesn't do something stupid. Seemed to work well finding sloosh in the last game, hoping for a repeat performance. Now to hunt some scum. is not the townGhost_403 from last game, where he was a vigi. Also, notice the last sentence. All that followed were five short posts that offer no insight on who he thinks is scum. I may be biased, as we are both no vets in this game and have played together in different constellations. Nevertheless, I don't like his play in this game. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On March 22 2012 03:37 MidnightGladius wrote: This has already been answered, but I trust JayJay's claim about Dirk, contingent on his claim about Nisani. I've had a town read on JayJay for a while now, and as it makes no sense for him to lie about Nisani, I just don't see any motivations for him to lie about Dirk. His weak case notwithstanding, I don't think that he is the correct lynch today. I'm also taking a look at the votes as they stand now, and I've noticed something real bizarre. Bluelightz votes for Kenpachi in the thread here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13997915) but never votes for him in the voting thread. Afterwards, a ton of people cast votes without a corresponding ##Vote in the thread, which makes it really difficult for me to see who actually justified their vote. Here are the players that cast a vote without making a post in the thread at around the same time: - blubbdavid (on Bluelightz): posts a weak attack on Bluelightz 2 hours before voting, - Paperscraps (on Dirk): votes 5 hours after his last post in the thread. After we lynch Bluelightz today, I would definitely take a further look at these two. I don't understand this. You are voting for bluelightz too. I forgot to cast my vote after the case so I ninja'd it. But still, I am the first one to cast his vote on bluelightz (this day). | ||
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