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I don't think it's too helpful for all of us to bombard Velinath with questions: he's made it clear that he's going to be fully transparent, or be lynched otherwise, so let's give him enough time to do so, with mod approval. If that information isn't forthcoming, however, then we need to talk. Otherwise, we're just creating clutter.
Kenpachi, in light of your recent discovery, do you still want to kill GlaDOS? If not, do you have anything more to say about any of the actual players here? If not, can you please stop spamming?
Grackaroni, I'm still not willing to trust any of Drazerk's claims, especially ones hinging on abilities he may or may not have used, and items that may or may not have even existed. I doubt that Velinath is a Planar Dragon. A third party would probably not seek an elected role that came with so many conditions and threats.
Speaking of items, the Anger Core obviously never existed, and I doubt Drazerk started with any items in the first place. So someone should have a corrupted Portal Gun, and beyond that, nothing. If anyone wants lemons, they should grow a lemon tree.
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##Grow: Lemon Tree
@Velinath : Are you able to gift yourself items and will you be doing that?
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@Grack I can gift myself items. I will not do so unless the town's okay with me doing so since people probably still have some reservations about my town alignment.
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On March 19 2012 11:31 Velinath wrote:
Alright I have confirmation that I can release this.
The Wheatley role gives me access to the Black Market, where I can buy items (and apparently, "services" from other people with access to this) with currency. Right now, I can buy the items I've listed for you previously in the thread. I know for a fact right now that there are others with this access, but I don't know who they are or what faction they are.
I can sell items too, I think, but I'm a little hazy on that.
The way the whole "giving items" thing works is that I can buy an item and immediately have it given to a person I specify.
The Black Market is based around aliases, so if you ask me to buy a specific item and I then purchase it in the Black Market, other people with access to the Black Market will know the alias I post under (they'll be able to compare post times, etc). Please keep that in mind, if you'd like me to purchase items.
Ugh? So do you know which aliases are those? Do you know which people buy what, and what they sell?
Can you communicate to these "vendors"? How? Via PMs or QT?
Is there any information from there you can give us?
@Midnight: I think Drazerk said he gave all his items to the Cell Leader.
Whether that's true and there does exist an Anger Core, or that's all bullshit altogether we don't know (I'd want to assume that's bullshit though).
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)?
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I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.
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On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)?
I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons....
In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role.
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On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.
Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could.
Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least?
Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it.
On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)? I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role.
I really hope this isn't a fake-claim like Toad's/Rg's ones from AC
Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree.
In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning.
Really? It has no meaning, yet it apparently is in your Role PM and is a restriction?
Why did you plant a lemon tree because MG said so? Woudln't you just plant one each cycle because your role states so?
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Because MG is masoned with me and has a similar role.
He is trying to collect potatoes.
he just posted the bit about the lemons to make my lemon tree planting seem less suspicious
Anyone trying to get potatoes? grow them.
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On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could. Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least? Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it.
Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market.
Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could.
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Gonzaw, I wasn't being serious about telling people seeking lemons to grow lemon trees :D. I was just poking fun at the idea of there being a black market trade in lemons, of all things.
Grackaroni, now you're being a bit too silly :D.
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On March 19 2012 12:12 MidnightGladius wrote:
Gonzaw, I wasn't being serious about telling people seeking lemons to grow lemon trees :D. I was just poking fun at the idea of there being a black market trade in lemons, of all things.
Grackaroni, now you're being a bit too silly :D.
there's not much going on the thread anyways.
Besides I'm pretty sure there are a few players in here who aren't bothering to read the thread so it might actually help me get one 
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On March 19 2012 12:12 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote:On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could. Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least? Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it. Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market. Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could.
I am not the one that should dictate your actions, the whole town should, so I'd want to wait for other people's thoughts on it.
Since you are in touch with town, maybe having your identity in the black market known will make things more transparent with you (for instance, you won't be afraid to post info in the thread fearing it will out yourself or something in the BM).
Also, I maybe we should have ALL people from the black market claim here and claim their aliases.
If everybody claims, then the BM will be completely transparent, and scum/3rd party won't be able to use it to their favour without gaining some suspicion.
If someone doesn't claim their alias, we can just assume they are mafia, so if any info is gotten about them, they should be instantly killed
Thoughts about this?
@Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles?
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On March 19 2012 12:21 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles?
yeah, I wouldn't even consider it fake claiming its a pretty ridiculous role.
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Now back to serious thoughts, Transparency for the black market is not always a good thing. The OP itself explicitly mentioned the fact that there could be roles capable of stealing items. I can only imagine those being scum roles if they exist so you could end up gifting a powerful item to scum rather than the townie player the item was originally made for.
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On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Midnight: I think Drazerk said he gave all his items to the Cell Leader.
Whether that's true and there does exist an Anger Core, or that's all bullshit altogether we don't know (I'd want to assume that's bullshit though).
A good part of what Drazerk said is probably bullshit, but according to his role PM any items that come into his possession become permanently inoperable, so whatever became of them is now moot.
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On March 19 2012 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Now back to serious thoughts, Transparency for the black market is not always a good thing. The OP itself explicitly mentioned the fact that there could be roles capable of stealing items. I can only imagine those being scum roles if they exist so you could end up gifting a powerful item to scum rather than the townie player the item was originally made for.
Fuck, forgot about that.
Yeah, maybe it's a bad idea.
@Sbrubbles: It's odd seeing you here all of a sudden. This is the first time you've posted since the lynch, right? What thoughts do you have about it? Or thoughts about anything else?
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Curu has recieved -5 Science Collaboration Points for attempted intellectual property theft!
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On March 19 2012 08:19 gonzaw wrote:
@Lanaia: It seems to me you are just trying to blend in, I haven't seen you contribute that much, and the only relevant reads you've stated where you thought BH was town and Drazerk scum.
I've been a little busy. I will have more reads, come dayflip. With all the fuckery d1, I don't really have that many reads. Wiggles/Jay town, etc.
On March 19 2012 10:08 willz22912 wrote:
For gonzaw: I have null reads at this point towards Lanaia and Zephridd based on their filters to this point. I don't see any pro-town behavior, they are mostly just sheeping other peoples thoughts (electing BH, which I also agreed/voted for). I also don't have any reason to assume they are scum at this point either.
I see Zephridd's case against paperscraps more of paperscraps acting like a noob town more than paperscraps being a real scum.
Lanaia is calling out Kenpachi who I also am concerned with, Kenpachi hasn't posted anything useful except for asking for votes for GladOs, and he traded an item to Drazerk for a vote when the GladOs vote wasn't even close to being close to majority and passing. No reason to have traded an item that early especially to a claimed 3rd party, pretty anti-town.
Wasn't calling out kenpachi. I was asking him to be less abrasive. It's not a good look, you know?
That lemon thing is silly.
On March 19 2012 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Now back to serious thoughts, Transparency for the black market is not always a good thing. The OP itself explicitly mentioned the fact that there could be roles capable of stealing items. I can only imagine those being scum roles if they exist so you could end up gifting a powerful item to scum rather than the townie player the item was originally made for.
I agree with Grack completely here.
I'm willing to trust ven as town considering all the bullshit draz said. Least for now.
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There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it:
-If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it.
If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it.
If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party.
The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right?
(Unless I'm missing something).
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