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On March 18 2012 00:50 Maverick32x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:48 Velinath wrote:
Maverick, I believe Kenpachi, Blazinghand, and myself are legitimately running for Wheatley. Now okay, all of those are people that I would never pick for this election... And I know there are more people than that who put their name in.. so why pick you 3?
I picked the three people who had multiple posts/significant interest, from what I could see. If you want the full list:
MidnightGladius is voting for himself.
gonzaw is voting for himself.
Grackaroni is voting for himself.
Drazerk and Blazinghand are voting for Blazinghand.
Paperscraps, RayzorFlash, Bluelightz, and Velinath are voting for Velinath.
Adam4167 is voting for himself.
I think that's it unless I'm blind.
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oh, and Kenpachi is voting for himself
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Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.
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On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this.
he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN.
If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying.
I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.
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On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.
Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.
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On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town.
zzz -_-
But you're actually pretty right haha. I would rather not get it because I enjoy being town, and I would be afraid of a role switch, and I know I would not be successful at that... (Which may be a reason for you guys to elect me?) Plus, I don't think I'm ready for that responsibility... so I ask not to be elected.... But I think transparency is key...
One issue that I'm going to have coming up is that I'm going out for St. Patrick's day in a couple minutes and I'll like to drop my votes asap.. I hope I'm home before the deadline, but I plan on checking the thread on my phone every so often.. and will vote through there if necessary....
Jay, if you were interested- I'd vote for you.. I've liked all your reasoning so far.. a lot of the other candidates haven't put forth much in terms of their post.. maybe get a couple other people to share their thoughts on why they want/would be a good candidate and go from there?
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@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.
As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light.
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On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town. Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.
Why did your win con change?
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On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town. Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed.
You claimed Balrog later on. You claimed Dayvig and the shot before your wincon changed. I was refereing to the shot / vig.
now that you are here: why don't you want a veli to be Wheatley after your wincon change?
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On March 18 2012 01:31 Maverick32x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town. Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed. Why did your win con change?
Inside joke my role has been changed in every game I have played on TL Mafia
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On March 18 2012 01:34 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:31 Maverick32x wrote:On March 18 2012 01:25 Drazerk wrote:On March 18 2012 01:23 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party.
##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. he have claimed just because of that. if you believe him, then his wincon has changed. so he might have thought he was no threat for town THEN. If we find a better lynch, I am fine with moving on. However, this lynch is at worst a third party lynch. We won't lose a townie. Before we randomly lynch a player, lynching drazerk is by far the better option. And that doesn't even take into account that there's a fair chance he's lying. I still think we should give Wheatley to one of the newer players (mav, david or whatever), since they might not be as good in abusing OP powers, yet (no offense, bros! seriously!). That is, if they're willing to be transparent and to let town guide their actions. If they get insane, it will be probably easier for town to recognize it, while vet-players will annihilate town. Please learn to read. I claimed after my win con changed. Why did your win con change? Inside joke my role has been changed in every game I have played on TL Mafia
ahh.. I see.. <slinks away....slowly... >
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Drazerk you're clearly holding something back from us.
Original win con : survive until the end with town.
New win con : Kill Gandolf, get 5 items.
Old win con: Velinath should be Wheatly because you think he has a pro-town role similar to yours.
New win con : Velinath is a horrible candidate and we must not let him get elected.
Either you were trying to do something scummy earlier by electing a 3rd party (defended by the fact that 3rd party is basically overpowered blues) or you turned anti-town and didn't want somebody who you thought had a pro-town role to win the election.
Nothing in your wincon should have made that change in your view of Velinath so you are either holding something back from us or you are just bullshitting completely.
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Alright, before I go I will place my lynch vote on sinani206!
First, he has been lurking.
Second, because that sinani looks very suspicous later on, it might distract us later in the game.
##Vote: sinani206
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On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote:
@JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum.
As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light.
I'd rather lynch scum, too. I doubt we'll find a good scum lynch on d1. It's normally a total gamble. But as I said, I am at any point willing to switch, if there's a target which satisfies me. Until then: Draz is most likely third, but might lie about his wincon.
Ok, I try to explain my train of thought here: Wheatley already freaks me out. Read the post again. It's creepy. I think it is almost safe to assume that he will turn evil at some point. I don't want a kitaman or so in that position. It's just too powerful. Moreover, a strong player who turns against us, is a lost strong player.
If we imply total transparency about the ability, it doesn't matter how experienced a player is, since the actions are town guided. So what's the downside?
Mav, I actually don't want to be Wheatley.
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I agree with you JJ, picking a person to be Wheatley is mind boggling =_=, Its tempting to say that its ability will help town but the possiblity of Wheatley turning bad x[, Or we could just have a vig shoot Wheatley if Wheatley will turn bad, Any opinions on my idea?
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On March 18 2012 01:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Drazerk you're clearly holding something back from us.
Original win con : survive until the end with town.
New win con : Kill Gandolf, get 5 items.
Old win con: Velinath should be Wheatly because you think he has a pro-town role similar to yours.
New win con : Velinath is a horrible candidate and we must not let him get elected.
Either you were trying to do something scummy earlier by electing a 3rd party (defended by the fact that 3rd party is basically overpowered blues) or you turned anti-town and didn't want somebody who you thought had a pro-town role to win the election.
Nothing in your wincon should have made that change in your view of Velinath so you are either holding something back from us or you are just bullshitting completely.
I had two choices upon my win con change -
1) Keep around and just try and get lucky
2) Claim and ally with town and hope scum or someone else does it for me
What do you think someone else who has a similar role would do?
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Ok jj is sane and so far he has been making the most sense out of anyone. Blue lightz your vote against Sinani is stupid. I'll probably end up voting drazerk for lynch, but for now I'm gonna wait to see if there are better options.
Also can someone please explain why valineth is a good choice for wheatley?
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On March 18 2012 01:51 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Drazerk you're clearly holding something back from us.
Original win con : survive until the end with town.
New win con : Kill Gandolf, get 5 items.
Old win con: Velinath should be Wheatly because you think he has a pro-town role similar to yours.
New win con : Velinath is a horrible candidate and we must not let him get elected.
Either you were trying to do something scummy earlier by electing a 3rd party (defended by the fact that 3rd party is basically overpowered blues) or you turned anti-town and didn't want somebody who you thought had a pro-town role to win the election.
Nothing in your wincon should have made that change in your view of Velinath so you are either holding something back from us or you are just bullshitting completely. I had two choices upon my win con change - 1) Keep around and just try and get lucky 2) Claim and ally with town and hope scum or someone else does it for me What do you think someone else who has a similar role would do?
This still doesn't explain why you should have any preference towards any specific Wheatley candidate as it relates to your win con, which is what you implied.
Unless you're still assuming I'm third party because I was able to put two and two together and figure out your role name.
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On March 18 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Ok jj is sane and so far he has been making the most sense out of anyone. Blue lightz your vote against Sinani is stupid. I'll probably end up voting drazerk for lynch, but for now I'm gonna wait to see if there are better options.
Also can someone please explain why valineth is a good choice for wheatley?
Apparently because he "understands this whole thing" or something like that.
That's complete and utter bullshit.
Don't elect Velinath.
I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath.
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On March 18 2012 02:00 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Ok jj is sane and so far he has been making the most sense out of anyone. Blue lightz your vote against Sinani is stupid. I'll probably end up voting drazerk for lynch, but for now I'm gonna wait to see if there are better options.
Also can someone please explain why valineth is a good choice for wheatley? Apparently because he "understands this whole thing" or something like that. That's complete and utter bullshit. Don't elect Velinath. I think our best option is to elect Blazinghand and kill Velinath.
Can you elaborate that? at all? Has Velinath done something scummy?
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