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On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.
I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better
Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item.
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On March 18 2012 00:33 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think Draz is bullshitting. The "I need 5 items" condition makes no sense as balrog. It's completely random.
Draz refers to this old Balrog fake claim and adds another random condition to it.
So they took an old fake role as a gag, implemented it here and were like "yea he needs more stuff".
You also claim to have restrictions on your KP item wise. Also completely nonsense for flavour (balrog doesn't need shit to kill).
I still think he might be sleeper cell or even scum (who didn't intend to claim until he knew he hit third).
Overall, draz, you are a perfect day 1 lynch. At worst (in case you weren't bullshitting), we lose a third party who wants to kill a townie and looks for items, which is still OK from town perspective. At best, me nail a lanch at scum or sleeper.
Sounds like a plan to me.
##vote Drazerk Except for the fact I can't kill for a while and you will be controlling the kill while I wait for scum to kill gandalf for me?
I am not voting you, because of that. I am voting you, because I don't buy your role.
Balrog who is resembling an old fake claim, but is now suddenly obsessed with items in addition.
yea right.
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On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.
I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item.
yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove.
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On March 18 2012 00:37 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:33 Drazerk wrote:On March 18 2012 00:30 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think Draz is bullshitting. The "I need 5 items" condition makes no sense as balrog. It's completely random.
Draz refers to this old Balrog fake claim and adds another random condition to it.
So they took an old fake role as a gag, implemented it here and were like "yea he needs more stuff".
You also claim to have restrictions on your KP item wise. Also completely nonsense for flavour (balrog doesn't need shit to kill).
I still think he might be sleeper cell or even scum (who didn't intend to claim until he knew he hit third).
Overall, draz, you are a perfect day 1 lynch. At worst (in case you weren't bullshitting), we lose a third party who wants to kill a townie and looks for items, which is still OK from town perspective. At best, me nail a lanch at scum or sleeper.
Sounds like a plan to me.
##vote Drazerk Except for the fact I can't kill for a while and you will be controlling the kill while I wait for scum to kill gandalf for me? I am not voting you, because of that. I am voting you, because I don't buy your role. Balrog who is resembling an old fake claim, but is now suddenly obsessed with items in addition. yea right.
I just want to get back to middle earth through the rift using items 
Also the whole point of the game is that it is a collection of roles from multiple game and with Igrok as a co host it makes perfect sense for it to be in the game and due to the epic relationship me and balrog had in LOTR it makes sense for me to have received it as payback.
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On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.
I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item. yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove.
Was this sarcasm? It reads like sarcasm, but it's really hard to tell with just text.
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On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.
I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item. yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove.
Only ways you can get an item is the following
Kill someone
Lynch someone
Get given it
Naturally I would only get an item through lynching in which case I would own up to it because you already know my kill flavour T_T
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On March 17 2012 11:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 11:31 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 11:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 17 2012 11:14 gonzaw wrote:
@Grackaroni
So why do you think I even have an item?
No role related reason. Just a random thought. Ehmm, that's not ramdom at all. If it was indeed a random thought, what was the purpose of posting it? I was trying to make it a little less obvious but sticking to my transparency. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:48 gonzaw wrote:
Fact: Lemons contain traces of potassium sulfate.
I want my lemons 
Why is it that people keep bringing up this lemon thing?!
Couple things:
1) I don't think we should be trusting Draz at all. It sounds chaotic. And I'm on board with JayJay's reasoning.
2) Can we try to cut down on spam?
3) Who is realistically going to running for Wheatley... everyone seems to just have random votes for themselves....
In my opinion.. I think a lot of people who are 'vouching' for other people make me extremely nervous. This indicates that they probably have some kind of connection that we don't know about? This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but rather something that needs to be considered when electing someone..
I imagine we must have a role that does some sort of protection. If Wheatly gets elected, the person should be transparent, tell us what it is, and if we have protection abilities, we can just use it on him?? Or is that too simple?
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Because I am a lemon too.
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Maverick, I believe Kenpachi, Blazinghand, and myself are legitimately running for Wheatley.
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On March 18 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 18 2012 00:34 Velinath wrote:On March 18 2012 00:30 Hassybaby wrote:
Veli, according to Draz, he's got limitations on his dayvig involving items. So I don't know how well we'll be able to control it.
I think it would be a good idea to KILL him at some point, lynch or otherwise, so we can see what everything he says is true. But right now, I'd like to focus on other aspects like the election. We still have over 24 hours, and a lot of people have yet to say anything, so I think waiting will be better Well, if he's limited by items then we don't need to kill him. It'll be easy enough to tell if he's lying if someone gets consumed by shadow and flame again without anyone having given him an item. yea, that'll help. Because he can't at no point say "Hey I received an item". That's totally a prove. Only ways you can get an item is the following Kill someone Lynch someone Get given it Naturally I would only get an item through lynching in which case I would own up to it because you already know my kill flavour T_T
I hate getting bogged down into this circular discussion, but the reality is that none of us really know your role or your alignment.
Somehow we are all convinced he is Balrog also, which we really don't know either...
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You want to use items to get back? Sorry. Just no.
Also, that was sarcasm.
Draz can at any point claim he got given an item. Now what? No one claims to have given an item.
draz: can you only kill when you get an item?
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On March 18 2012 00:48 Velinath wrote:
Maverick, I believe Kenpachi, Blazinghand, and myself are legitimately running for Wheatley.
Now okay, all of those are people that I would never pick for this election... And I know there are more people than that who put their name in.. so why pick you 3?
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On March 18 2012 00:49 Jayjay54 wrote:
You want to use items to get back? Sorry. Just no.
Also, that was sarcasm.
Draz can at any point claim he got given an item. Now what? No one claims to have given an item.
draz: can you only kill when you get an item?
I am going to laugh at you when I flip
I am done arguing with you and defending myself we concentrate on what is important now which is the election and a real lynch we are not discussing myself any more.
And I can not discuss just know my kill and win con are both related to items
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Hey Drazerk, why did you want to make town elect velinath, because you believed he was 3rd party. When you claimed that your win condition before was just to survive and win with town?
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On March 18 2012 00:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey Drazerk, why did you want to make town elect velinath, because you believed he was 3rd party. When you claimed that your win condition before was just to survive and win with town?
over powered blues with additional powers why wouldn't you want that?
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On March 18 2012 00:50 Maverick32x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:48 Velinath wrote:
Maverick, I believe Kenpachi, Blazinghand, and myself are legitimately running for Wheatley. Now okay, all of those are people that I would never pick for this election... And I know there are more people than that who put their name in.. so why pick you 3?
Gonzaw was the fourth, and that's it I think. I think he was left out of the list because he openly admitted he will lie if the superpower was interesting enough. Judging by how this game is going, something tells me it will be interesting, so I can't see how anyone can trust his as Wheatley
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Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:
I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something.
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No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game.
What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia.
I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out.
In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then.
This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim.
##Vote Drazerk
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On March 18 2012 00:54 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey Drazerk, why did you want to make town elect velinath, because you believed he was 3rd party. When you claimed that your win condition before was just to survive and win with town? over powered blues with additional powers why wouldn't you want that?
ok and why don't you want that now with your new wincon?
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On March 18 2012 00:56 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game.
##Vote Drazerk
I think it atleast tells us he isn't a sleepercell dude who doesn't know who his mates are.
So he is town or scum with big cojones.
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