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I'm going to reference the two posts I was talking about from you when I made this post:
On March 11 2012 13:09 willz22912 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 11:45 DimmuKlok wrote:
Ok, I think that's enough lurking for everyone. It seems like everyone didn't want to post their opinion on Maverick before the night came. Understandable, but we need to begin discussion again. If you look at my counter post against Maverick, it should be pretty easy to see that he is one of the remaining mafia.
I need to hear what everyone thought about my post. Asap, because I don't want to waste time. Why are you rushing a vote on Maverick before Sufficiency? We have 48 hours. What time are we wasting? You bring up some interesting points yes, but why push this before someone we all agree on?Do you still agree that Sufficiency is Mafia? If so, both of you do agree with that, so one of you is lying and willing to bus your last teammate, which is still a win for town. Sufficiency first, and then we smoke out the last member. Otherwise this is pretty damning evidence against you DimmuKlok.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote:I'm assuming Sufficiency is one of the mafia that we have left. I'm less confident with going with someone else at the time. Maverick, why do you suspect me of being mafia? Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 01:58 Maverick32x wrote:
Dim- This one kind of breaks my heart because for a long time I really thought Dim was town.. but allow me to explain. Dim targetted Trackd00r at the end of this rant. That means that him and Trackd00r can not be mafia. Dim also votes randomly for Beorn for being a lurker... The only other person who voted for Beorn was... Sufficiency!! (Starting to see the connection?) He defends sufficiency- and NEVER accusses him.. Dim and Sufficiency have a connection.
Read it, and dismantled it. Multiple times might I add when it comes to the whole beorn thing. You say I defended Sufficiency, but that's not true at all. I've done nothing but try to get information out of that guy, but it's completely useless since he's given up on the game. You people keep trying to make a connection to me and Sufficiency and I'm taking note of it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2012 12:02 DimmuKlok wrote:This is a lot of text, but that's because I responded to every part of Mavericks post. It's crucial that you read it in it's entirety. It became painfully obvious to me that Maverick was Mafia by the end of the post. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:Sure, I'll break down all my reasoning. On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote:
My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.
Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment.
It's past 4 in the morning here so I'm going to wait to post who I think we should lynch for in the morning. What I do want to post now is who is slipping underneath the radar... Rainmaker has posted twice so far. In his last post he said he had to head to class and that he would post his later on, which he never did. Beorn has only had one post thus far in which he agrees with the general consensus on random lynches. Early on you pick out two people.. 1 of which is confirmed town, the other though lost interest in the game, his replacement I'm thinking is also town. Your first reason for me being mafia, is me defending 2 players that we later found out ended up being the correct decision... Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 02 2012 20:36 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings. Fair enough... I was hoping it was something a little more elaborate, but ok.  Despite this complete dodge/slap in the face. You seem okay with taking this as answer. I seem ok with the answer... This is your second reason for me being mafia... I've already stated that was one of my multiple attempts at getting more info out of Sufficiency. My reaction and that face at the end was the face of me coming the realization that Sufficiency wasn't a mastermind, just someone who didn't want to put time into this thread. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 03 2012 03:09 Sufficiency wrote:
If I have to choose from the three I listed above, however, I'd probably just lynch beorn. It feels to me that his inactivity is either because he is really scum, or his lack of power (i.e. he is probably vanilla). I really don't think he is a PR of any sort. It feels like a safe lynch to me.
In my opinion, day1 lynch is very difficult to conduct. Without any "hard" evidence (from kills, etc.) and only through talking, any mafia can be just as pro-town as anyone else. I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. Targeting the lurker, seems safe... however what about sufficiency?! What about him? Am I supposed to be mentioning Sufficiency in all my posts? I've explained multiple times that post was to get Beorn out of hiding and had nothing to do with Sufficiency. Sufficiency just randomly accused beorn, and I took that opportunity to try and get him to start posting. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 03 2012 03:55 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 03 2012 03:33 Rainmaker5 wrote:Ok I'm going to draft up a list and announce my vote real quick. this formatiting will be a bit wonky but I don't have time to really make shit pretty right now. going to link post #s so I don't have to explain where I'm getting information Trapdoor http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13742776This is just a good post that I feel I can stand behind. Against a no-lynch and wants people to talk. Standard behavior for a good town player. Dimmuclock http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13743011same shit, for a lynch wants people to discuss. Otoshi~~~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13743011Here's pretty suspcious to me, starts out against a lynch at all, when people say they're for it switches to random lynch. Seems pretty scummy. Up to this point I don't think people had mentioned a random lynch. Gunman Don't really have a read on him b/c he doesn't really seem sure of his own opinion would like to hear more from him but I can't really say that FoSing currently Tiy and fried are on the lynch train- seems good Mav is seems pretty opposed to a random lynch, not to much to say after that Pablos http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13750765going out of his way to fly off the handle when someone is suspicious, is well suspicious. Also he seems to be supporting random lynch? I'm not really sure Beorn doesn't really seem to have an opinion- no read So I don't really like Pablos's style, but he cleaned up towards the end. Mav and Memtoss are off my radar currenly because even if they're scum they're encouraging posts and moving forward that's going to hurt them. Suff is kinda sketchy- takes attention away from his rampant fingering by putting it on people who didn't react. But I really feel the guy who's generating the most noise is definitely OtoshimonoU. He feels really scummy and even if he's jsut playing poorly is the type of guy that real scum can use to keep deflecting attention. Which I guess is something you can suspect me of doing lol Anyway that's my vote and my analysis. Wish me luck on my Midterm! The only useful thing about this post is your opinion on OtoshimonoU. There is no point in bringing up the names of people that are not on our current suspect list and then not even accuse them of anything. That kind of information is just taking up space. You haven't posted much up until now and that post is looking pretty suspicious to me... ##FoS: Rainmaker5 Again, confirmed townie. Him being a confirmed townie didn't make that post any more useful. I was correct in my suspicion of him. He ended up just being an inactive townie who got mod killed, instead of a mafia unwilling to contribute like I suspected. There is no need for this to be included in your case against me. The fact that it was included should be looked upon as suspicious.Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. Still nothing on sufficiency... Why would there be anything on Sufficiency? This was posted right after I proposed a lynch on Beorn with Sufficiency! The reason for the post was to pressure Beorn, which I explained here: Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Defending Mementoss was simply me trying to get the conversation in a more productive direction and off someone I thought was innocent at the time. Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. On Day 2 I think we should seriously consider lynching lurkers, or start conversation on how to get them to post more. You of all people should know this, considering this post was directed at you. Once again, highly suspicious that this made it into your case on me. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 03 2012 05:51 Maverick32x wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Sufficiency- Good posts!! I'm really glad to hear from you!! That being said, I truly am suspecting the following people as the most likely to be mafia at this point- Sufficiency- Its not so much the things you said, but the reactions that I've been gathering from the bottom two. Obviously I suspected you from the start due to your poor posting. But it seems like a lot of the other people were eager to let you get by as "poor town", and you weren't confronted at all. Then all of a sudden you post that you want to get rid of the lurker, and Dim hopes right on board. You've established zero credability in this thread, if anything you were seen as a non-helpful, yet for some reason you're getting bandwagon support..... Dim- You've spent a lot of time defending Mementoss, and bandwagoned with Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote:
My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.
Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment. On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:09 Sufficiency wrote:
If I have to choose from the three I listed above, however, I'd probably just lynch beorn. It feels to me that his inactivity is either because he is really scum, or his lack of power (i.e. he is probably vanilla). I really don't think he is a PR of any sort. It feels like a safe lynch to me.
In my opinion, day1 lynch is very difficult to conduct. Without any "hard" evidence (from kills, etc.) and only through talking, any mafia can be just as pro-town as anyone else. I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Because some of you are starting to look at Mementoss, I'm going to post my opinion on him quickly and post my scum reads a bit later.
Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads.
Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. I think this is highly suspicous behavior. Both players have bounced off each other and defended each other's actions to establish credability. Mementos: On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote:
Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts)
Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Creating excuses for Sufficiency. On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:
@Maverick - I would also like to hear more from Sufficiency, I still have a decently scummy read on him based on his low amount of posting. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.)
Mementoss
trackd00r
maverick
dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum.
No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails
gunman
rainman
friedchicken
tiystus
otoshimoU
beornt
Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up
Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss)
Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU)
I honestly was shocked when I saw Dimm in this list. I looked through his filter and did not see a whole lot of "Meaningful posts".. but I guess the bar was set kind of low for this... I think he kept Sufficiency in the bottom since obviously I have been making a scene about him. You later make a huge post about how scummy Sufficiency is, and how you think he is the worst townie ever, or mafia. On March 03 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote:@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town. Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:04 Maverick32x wrote:
Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior.
@Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times)
Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r. Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine. About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now. Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet. The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content. Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information. My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red] Yet you've flipped to Oto, and are actively trying to make me consider Oto, and point to his lack of answering to both myself and Trackd00r- trying to get us to sway our votes. All this being said!!!! I won't vote for mementoss or Dim. They do talk a lot, which would be useful later on if they do end up being Mafia... So I guess that leads me to who I should vote for... I have about 2 hours left!! So I'm going to keep reading through and seeing what people come up with!!! Feel free to respond Sufficiency, Dim and Mementoss- I'd like to hear a counter to what I've posted, since I'm trying to stay open-minded. Defending Mementoss was simply me trying to get the conversation in a more productive direction and off someone I thought was innocent at the time. Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. On Day 2 I think we should seriously consider lynching lurkers, or start conversation on how to get them to post more. Kind of a strange post.. seemingly distancing yourself from sufficiency since you're starting to worry that people are connecting you... You suspect Beorn of lurking and being scum.. but again.. no mention of sufficiency... Um, what? This is the post that was describing my bandwagoning with Sufficiency and our so called "connection" you claim we have. "No mention of Sufficiency", not sure what you mean by this. There is no reason for me to be randomly accusing him in that post. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 03 2012 07:18 DimmuKlok wrote:
I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency. I can't tell if he's smart and trying to get reactions out of people with his posts, or one of the many other things I've considered. If people are interested I can make a more detailed case on my opinion of him, but even I'm not too confident in my read on him. This NEVER happens. Yes, actually it did. Nobody asked for it until willz, and when he did I answered his question about beorn, along with my read on Sufficiency in the next post. As I stated above, because of his inactivity it was hard to have a good case on him: Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 16:20 DimmuKlok wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2012 15:14 Maverick32x wrote:
I really think we are pressuring the wrong guy if we are targeting Dim.... I completely agree with Trackd00r that we need to target one of those 3 lurkers.
Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct)
My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all.... This is my assumption too. Of the three I'm thinking Gunman is the most likely candidate, but it's hard to say with them being so inactive in the late game. I have to look into this further before I vote. I would say Sufficiency is the least likely to be mafia, but that's only if I can make the assumption that this early posts were to get reads on their reactions, and not just bad play. The posts I'm referencing: On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote:
Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though.
Going to bed now. See you in about 9 hours. I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. On March 01 2012 13:16 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Oh great. Now he is defensive about it.
Anyway, since it's not the time to vote yet, we might as well wait until everyone talked a few lines.
On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103
Later, I tried to confirm which it was, and sadly his answer was: On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 05 2012 08:27 DimmuKlok wrote:
GG Mementoss, it's been fun.
OtoshimonoU, what is your read on Sufficiency? Also, who is your top scum read right now and why? It honestly sounds like you're trying to figure out who's the biggest threat in the town... That post is simply me trying to get more information out of Oto. How you came to that conclusion and felt it was worth including in your list of reasons I'm mafia, is beyond me. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 07 2012 01:55 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 07 2012 00:46 blubbdavid wrote:
Oh shoot, didn't think about the possibility of a Godfather.
Dimmu's now randomly pointed against Willz, that's confusing. Could you please elaborate more why Willz looks suspicious?
And I feel too that a DT case against Rain would be wasted. Even if Rain returned town, how would it be helpful? "Hey look guys, we have a townie here, but one who doesn't contibute." I don't see how a DT case on Rain is wasted, or even less effective than a DT case on anyone else. Everyone has the same chance of being mafia, statistically, and Rain is the most likely to come up as Mafia in my opinion. If you investigate anyone and they turn up town, what does that tell you? Nothing, because it could be wrong, and even if it's right then you just have a confirmed town player who will continue to do what they did before that. My opinion of Willz is after this. Possibly directing the DT towards a town? If I was mafia, why would I care if a DT case went down on Rain? We now know he was a inactive towny, which I would have known at the time if i was mafia. Another massive slip Maverick. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote:Why I called out Willz: On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote:
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new). On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?...
...Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency.
He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post. On March 05 2012 04:23 willz22912 wrote:
Just saw that OtoshimonoU just voted for himself, I think he's just giving up at this point because it's too hard to defend yourself if everyone already is on you. If he is that uninterested in the game, lynching him now seems really pointless and won't give any information. He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this: On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote:
Okay, took a look at the responses.
We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active.
I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU...
I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much.
That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it. This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of... On March 06 2012 08:15 willz22912 wrote:
Adding on/clarifying for my last sentence. If it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU again, then yeah we may as well see what his flipping will give us for information.
I guess I'll just switch my vote to OtoshimonoU now to make sure it goes through, but I still think it's a mistake. This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information. On March 06 2012 09:22 willz22912 wrote:On March 06 2012 08:36 Maverick32x wrote:
I know I say 'significantly' like its a huge amount of people, but I really think that it clears both sufficiency (who I'm HIGHLY suspicious of, and burbbles) Which is a larger step than we've taken so far... and I'm sure if we look at the filters we may be able to pull some conclusions as well... one of the things that would confuse me if he flipped town.. why killl Mementoss? Either way, we'll have some answers in a couple hours...
See this is what bugs me. It really doesn't clear anyone. Sufficiency is currently voting for a no lynch and Sbrubbles is voting Rainmaker. How is OtoshimonoU flipping green going to clear them when if they were Mafia, they would know if OtoshimonoU is town and if we have enough votes without Mafia pitching in to get rid of him. We have multiple people who were already dead set on OtoshimonoU, and then we have a couple others (myself included) who are willing to switch our votes to make sure a lynch 100% goes through. Now we have at least 3 people who are not voting OtoshimonoU. If we didn't have the swing votes, the lynch wouldn't go through AGAIN. This is clearly what the Mafia wants, us to be indecisive and confused while we keep losing key members during the night. If we mis-lynch we mis-lynch, but don't overstate how much information we're going to get. I already stated my opinion on Mementoss being targetted earlier as well, I think it was more he was the most active poster than for anyone in particular he had suspicions on. This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either. Why you called out Willz- to protect Sufficiency? Pretty much switching the pressure.. Funny you say that now. You initial response was "Dim... I like that post.. a lot... ". Sounds like a lot of bandwagoning to me. It's obvious you're making wild assumptions. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 08 2012 16:20 DimmuKlok wrote:On March 08 2012 15:14 Maverick32x wrote:
I really think we are pressuring the wrong guy if we are targeting Dim.... I completely agree with Trackd00r that we need to target one of those 3 lurkers.
Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct)
My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all.... This is my assumption too. Of the three I'm thinking Gunman is the most likely candidate, but it's hard to say with them being so inactive in the late game. I have to look into this further before I vote. I would say Sufficiency is the least likely to be mafia, but that's only if I can make the assumption that this early posts were to get reads on their reactions, and not just bad play. The posts I'm referencing: On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote:
Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though.
Going to bed now. See you in about 9 hours. I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. On March 01 2012 13:16 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Oh great. Now he is defensive about it.
Anyway, since it's not the time to vote yet, we might as well wait until everyone talked a few lines.
On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103
Later, I tried to confirm which it was, and sadly his answer was: On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings. You defend sufficiency some more.... That was not a defense of Sufficiency. I was giving my read on him at the time and I even said in the post that I would only consider him town if his early posts were to generate reactions and responses, which he never said was the case. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:On March 09 2012 09:46 DimmuKlok wrote:
I went with Gunman. Obviously it's our only option at this point. Defending would be too obvious..... Once again you're just making the assumption I'm mafia. Saying "defending would be too obvious" isn't going to prove anything. How is this a reason I'm mafia? Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:20 Maverick32x wrote:
SO there are a couple examples of the 'connection'... I'm all for going for sufficiency first though.. so you still got time~
Lastly, who could the other 2 mafia be if not Sufficiency and Dim? Really try to answer that, and look at the connection between confirmed town and the 1 mafia that we have left.... There is a pattern of communication here- everyone left here had sufficiency in their sights at some point in the game... except Dim....
How bout you, buddy? With how many slips you made in that post, it's obvious. I urge everyone to go through Mavericks filter and see for yourself. ##FoS: Maverick32x
This is my point of view while reading the thread. You said you still suspected Sufficiency. Maverick still suspected Sufficiency. You now suspect Maverick. You are trying to convince other town to vote for you. By the time I came into this thread and read up tonight, you had declared your vote for Maverick and you were 100% confident. I am asking for clarification since we still have time and there is no need to rush, and you use this to justify calling me Mafia? The fact that I was willing to push a Sufficiency lynch that you yourself agreed with not more than a day ago?
It all comes to blubb in the tiebreaker and who he believes I guess. Or hell, I'll even listen to Sufficiency and see his reasons.
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It's not hard to understand. Mavericks case on me made it obvious he was mafia. A simple look through his filter is all it takes to confirm the suspicion. With that knowledge it was easy to see that the push to lynch Sufficiency was something that was going to cost us the game.
Looking at Sufficiency's posts, you can't be clear if he is a bad town or mafia. Either way, he's inactive. What makes it a dead give away is Mavericks eagerness to lynch him. Even with me being just as likely as a suspect in his eyes, he's willing to wait because the Sufficiency lynch was easier at the time.
When you posted with the exact same intentions, it was too obvious.
Blubb and Sufficiency, please read everything I've posted and post back.
This is all I'm going to have time for tonight, but I'll be back in the morning.
Fine, even assuming your assumptions about Maverick are true, why is anyone going along with Sufficiency first whom I suspected more than OtoshimonoU when they were the two likely suspects = Mafia behavior? Blubbdavid( who we both agree with is town) has commented that even he agrees with the case on Sufficiency as well.
You also state here: "Looking at Sufficiency's posts, you can't be clear if he is a bad town or mafia." This is the exact same reasoning we lynched OtoshimonoU, we didn't know any better that early in the game if he was bad town or mafia. Sufficiency exhibited the exact same behavior and has hardly been present in any discussion, but now you're willing to believe in him being town late game? You were perfectly fine with lynching OtoshimonoU, but now you leap to defend Sufficiency, who isn't even active enough to contribute?
Myself, Blubbdavid and Maverick have all made various posts detailing how we were against Sufficiency because of his behavior. You have agreed with this up until now, I have quoted a post you made here that you still haven't made any comment on:
On March 10 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
I'm assuming Sufficiency is one of the mafia that we have left. I'm less confident with going with someone else at the time.
You only change your opinion after Maverick questions you, and you lump me into it based on your previous case of me + the fact that I was still willing to push sufficiency? EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT MAVERICK, I asked if you still agreed with the case on Sufficiency, because in that case we should still push for that lynch and sort out the last mafia with that information. I would have been willing to hear you out regarding Maverick if you made a better case and you did not deflect my questions about your views on Sufficiency. I was asking clarification, you used that post to justify lumping me with Maverick. In your spat with Maverick before I made that post, you also posted this: On March 10 2012 13:42 DimmuKlok wrote:
What makes you think I know? I'm sure they will reveal themselves eventually. Probably in a similar fashion.
So you were setting up anyone who was going to question you with this post. This is right after you make your case against Maverick, but no one is allowed to punch holes in it? No one is allowed to comment on the suddeness of this change when you have consistently been against Sufficiency? It's either your way or Mafia?
If you have one agreed on suspect, and still have 1 more Mafia to find, and you claim to find that Mafia, why not go for the agreed on suspect first? How is that un-townlike behavior? It is still removing a Mafia if we are correct, and all evidence points against Sufficiency. You still have to convince the rest of the town to your opinion
You made the radical switch, claiming this as you "solving the puzzle". Why is this town behavior? Did you not agree with Sufficiency's case, then why keep posting that you do? We keep pointing to your "connection" with Sufficiency. The fact is, he hasn't posted enough to justify any defense of him. I tried with OtoshimonoU but still couldn't convince anyone to switch, how is this now any different? How are you willing to suggest Sufficiency is town when he hasn't posted anything worth defending. Where is his town behavior, where is his opinions on the rest of us, who does he think is Mafia? None of that exists. It could likely be Sufficiency is really town and we force a mis-lynch, but it also equally likely that Sufficiency is Mafia and we keep going, but like OtoshimonoU, we won't know until we lynch him. Unless you have inside information like being our DT or being Mafia, those are the only two explanations to really "know" what alignment he really is.
And this final quote from you is what really annoys me: On March 10 2012 07:18 DimmuKlok wrote:
Please vote for me if you think I'm mafia. If you're all willing to throw the game away on such a stupid idea, then I'm not going to put in the effort to help this town.
This is still Mafia, this is still a my-lo situation, we still don't have concrete reads unless one of us is the DT, and he hasn't claimed. But no we can't suspect you because we would throw the game away because of your arrogant behavior. You aren't going to single handedly win this game even if you made all the correct reads if you can't convince others to support you by being supremely arrogant.
Even now though DimmuKlok, I'm willing to hold off on voting against you, because I'm trying to be objective and not use my previous angry feelings towards you. So make your case to sway my vote, I'll be back in 12 hours and I will decide then.
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Coming back to this thread, so DimmuKlok, you think that you mis-read me now since Blubbdavid won't go along with you? That's cute, but I'm sorry, but that's not enough proof to convince me of your innocence. You shouldn't have jumped so quickly if you didn't think you had an ironclad case (your assumption that my guilt lies with posting after Maverick was super flawed) and now you're backtracking because Blubb won't support you.
However, I feel like letting Sufficiency stand as it is is giving him too much power. It is a close vote as it is, 3 people needed to get a lynch, but Sufficiency is free to cast his vote when he wishes without any explanation. If we do have a DT as town, I think now's the time to claim to try and make the choice, keeping in mind they possibly also have a godfather. We make a wrong choice and it's GG, there's no point trying to save it unless you never ran a check on any of us.
I'm inclined to get rid of Sufficiency first, and if he flips Mafia, then logically go after DimmuKlok. However, if you guys think DimmuKlok is the more dangerous of the two, then I will go along with it. I'm trying to be objective in my opinion on DimmuKlok since he could possibly still be town and correct, but I'm finding it very hard after he jumped the gun on me, again.
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Ok on the other hand, now that I've thought about it. Do we want to assume that Sufficiency gets modkilled to vote for our other suspect now? I feel this is too risky, but it's worth mentioning based on how inactive Sufficiency is.
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I only brought it up as a possible option, I feel like it's a little too risky as I stated. It all revolves to how much we believe DimmuKlok is Mafia. I feel he is highly suspicious, but not enough to risk switching unless you and Blubb think it'd be worth it.
If Sufficiency flips red like we all think he will, then the trail points at DimmuKlok 100% so we would have a solid gameplan for the next day.
I feel we shouldn't be overconfident and rely on a modkill, only town people have gotten modkilled ;p
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I agree Maverick, it's kinda problematic that we wouldn't of had a successful lynch if not for Dimm switching, since Blubb never did. Though it remains to be seen if Sufficiency was actually Mafia all along.
In any case awaiting mods eagerly and thanks for all you've done to keep this game going.
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One more Mafia to go, hooray.
Although DimmuKlok helped us continue the game with a successful lynch on a Mafia, he could have easily just bus'd his teammate (since he hasn't contributing anyway) to gain last second credibility for the final vote. Don't take this sudden cooperation blindly without looking for possible motives why.
Blubbdavid made a post asking if he should switch to Dim or Sufficiency and we posted 20 minutes after that saying Sufficiency, but he never changed his mind. This could have potentially been a game-ender as with a no-lynch we would have lost a town for free this night and had insufficiency majority to keep going. He posted his reasoning, but still, risking a game loss because "I wasn't able to change my vote, neither did I want to do it" has to be suspicious at this point in the game.
Maverick jumped onto Sufficiency with me even though I proposed an option to go after DimmuKlok immediately (using Blubbdavid's vote that he never changed) so we would still have had the 3 neccessary. He had the opportunity if he was Mafia to prosecute a potentially innocent town and win the game, so this clears him in my mind.
And of course I know for myself I'm town, so that leaves DimmuKlok and Blubbdavid as my two likely suspects. However, I still think it's DimmuKlok and that he's the Mafia godfather because he has been too brazen with his posting for anything otherwise. Without fear from a DT check, he's pushed several cases on us without success and has had too many holes in his theories. Don't forget as well all of the town deaths have also benefited him in some way. Mementoss gave him credibility, Sbrubbles was one of his accusers and also defended me against his case, trackd00r was also in support of me and had suspicions against DimmuKlok. Out of the possible 3 Mafia, we've killed two goons, which means either it's only 3 goons, or there has been a godfather in play all along, and the only person thats left that fits the bill is DimmuKlok.
I'm fairly confident of my read on DimmuKlok being Mafia, but even if you are truly town DimmuKlok, you've lost all credibility because you've attacked all 3 of us now in some way with little to no evidence. If you didn't point fingers so wildly, we might have been more sympathetic to your posts, but not anymore. Your actions aren't the actions of a "town who's solved the puzzle", your actions are of a Mafia trying to find some desperate way to stay alive. My fingers on you and I hope the town votes you next day.
##FOS: DimmuKlok with vote to follow if I don't get killed off.
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I think DimmuKlok's actions can be explained pretty well. Look at the mod post, look at the last vote.
Sufficiency was getting modkilled or lynched, he was gone one way or another. This is getting lucky for town, that Sufficiency was so inactive that he gets modkilled, but it was still going to let the game continue. Therefore DimmuKlok saving us for extra credibility is the only plausible explanation left. He could not have won by forcing a no-lynch if Sufficiency is modkilled anyway. I repeat, HE COULD NOT HAVE WON from not voting, so that claim is a last ditch effort to buy credibility.
Even now he's being super arrogant in his behavior saying that he shouldn't be considered a suspect. Really dude? You made a giant post calling out Maverick and said you were "100% confident in your read." Then you said the two Mafia teammates left were me and Maverick, which now couldn't possible be true since I checked that during the vote. If i was Mafia and I made that post saying Sufficiency was likely to get modkilled and wanted to lynch an innocent town, I would have called for it and pushed your death DimmuKlok, same with Maverick. That clears both of us if we were Mafia, since we both had a way to "win the game" just like you did, except ours was 100% and yours was entirely dependent on if Sufficiency was afk.
Honestly, I've made the posts against you DimmuKlok in my filter, you have now accused ALL of us in some way, is that somehow supposed to make us like you more as town? I've said it before, Mafia is a team game, and your behavior while possibly townlike is very very arrogant and makes us not like you. So if you were town all along, sorry but you gave us no choice.
The last suspect left is Blubbdavid and he also warrants suspicion. The last thing DimmuKlok should have tried was claiming DT as well, to cause a he said/she said split and make us vote for who is more believable. In that situation though, I think he knows that he's on everyones suspect list and that claim wouldn't fly. So I'm inclined to believe Blubbdavid's claim that he is the real DT, but I have to point out as well that this is poor timing. He already had enough credibility with town and we were already pushing for his target DimmuKlok. There is no need in this case to actually make the claim. He actually removes himself as a target because if he gets killed tonight then we are completely on DimmuKlok, but if he really is a Mafia this is the perfect way to explain not being a target and reinforce our DimmuKlok lynch.
It is highly plausible that Blubbdavid is the real Mafia, and that he wins the game with our mis-lynch on DimmuKlok. If he does, then it's very well played by him. But the overall history of this game to me has been DimmuKlok's behavior towards everyone else.
It's going to be either Maverick or I who gets killed this night, and I think it'll be me just cause DimmuKlok likes me less  Any other person getting killed would leave only one plausible suspect left and be a terrible decision. In any case, ggs it was fun but time consuming, but I think I would have enjoyed this a lot more had I been in from the start instead of as a replacement.
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Alright, final vote time.
I know for myself I'm vanilla but wasn't sure of Mavericks role, now that he is vanilla town, then the only town role besides my vanilla is either a DT or a vigilante left, which Blubb has claimed.
However, there is the case that DT wasn't even present in this game since vigilante wasn't present, we also had a miller/medic already as well. The rules state that not all roles are present, so this is really annoying now.
So we have 3 options:
Option 1: If your theory is correct DimmuKlok, then I would have to be the Mafia this whole time if Blubb is DT and you are vanilla townie. I think my actions to this date have given my alignment to be town, but even if this wasn't enough for you I refer you to this: On March 14 2012 09:28 willz22912 wrote:
If i was Mafia and I made that post saying Sufficiency was likely to get modkilled and wanted to lynch an innocent town, I would have called for it and pushed your death DimmuKlok, same with Maverick. That clears both of us if we were Mafia, since we both had a way to "win the game" just like you did, except ours was 100% and yours was entirely dependent on if Sufficiency was afk.
I'm fairly sure that Maverick would have went along with my vote if I decided to push you DimmuKlok, in fact he even posted so. So I had the opportunity to win if I were Mafia, Maverick has flipped green, so why didn't I do it?
Option 2: Blubbdavid is the Mafia, DimmuKlok isn't lying about being a vanilla town, and we have no DT at all. This option is a valid possibility to me and I weigh it's likelyhood at around 33%.
Option 3: DimmuKlok is the Mafia godfather, Blubb is really the DT and that is why DimmuKlok returned as vanilla town in the check. The more probable possibility to me at 66%.
We have 48 hours, so I'll try and find some time to look through the filters and really dig down. But for now, I propose myself as bait: I'm going to change my vote at the last hour of the deadline, but there is still a possibility that both of you decide to continue it and lynch me anyway. If you really think I'm Mafia, go ahead, but your decision here will have a great impact on what I decide.
##Vote: Willz22912
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I'm sad neither of you took my bait, I guess it was too obvious.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2012 11:56 willz22912 wrote:Alright, final vote time. I know for myself I'm vanilla but wasn't sure of Mavericks role, now that he is vanilla town, then the only town role besides my vanilla is either a DT or a vigilante left, which Blubb has claimed. However, there is the case that DT wasn't even present in this game since vigilante wasn't present, we also had a miller/medic already as well. The rules state that not all roles are present, so this is really annoying now. So we have 3 options: Option 1: If your theory is correct DimmuKlok, then I would have to be the Mafia this whole time if Blubb is DT and you are vanilla townie. I think my actions to this date have given my alignment to be town, but even if this wasn't enough for you I refer you to this: Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:28 willz22912 wrote:
If i was Mafia and I made that post saying Sufficiency was likely to get modkilled and wanted to lynch an innocent town, I would have called for it and pushed your death DimmuKlok, same with Maverick. That clears both of us if we were Mafia, since we both had a way to "win the game" just like you did, except ours was 100% and yours was entirely dependent on if Sufficiency was afk.
I'm fairly sure that Maverick would have went along with my vote if I decided to push you DimmuKlok, in fact he even posted so. So I had the opportunity to win if I were Mafia, Maverick has flipped green, so why didn't I do it? Option 2: Blubbdavid is the Mafia, DimmuKlok isn't lying about being a vanilla town, and we have no DT at all. This option is a valid possibility to me and I weigh it's likelyhood at around 33%. Option 3: DimmuKlok is the Mafia godfather, Blubb is really the DT and that is why DimmuKlok returned as vanilla town in the check. The more probable possibility to me at 66%. We have 48 hours, so I'll try and find some time to look through the filters and really dig down. But for now, I propose myself as bait: I'm going to change my vote at the last hour of the deadline, but there is still a possibility that both of you decide to continue it and lynch me anyway. If you really think I'm Mafia, go ahead, but your decision here will have a great impact on what I decide. ##Vote: Willz22912
Can either of you see the glaring flaw in my last post that should have been called out immediately? I was hoping one of you would and it would sway my opinion but none of you have. Please comment on this suspicious behavior!
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Well I was going to go with the whole voting myself is completely pointless and doesn't do anything except incur more suspicion on me, but I think I meta-thought this through too much.
The situation seems to be a 1-1 split between Blubb and DimmuKlok, with me as the swing vote, I was hoping to create a situation where I wouldn't have to be swing vote and was a valid target, but I don't think either of you think I'm Mafia right?
Oh well, sorry for the confusion, we still have 27 hours so I'm still making my final decision. This is pretty stressful for a newbie in his first Mafia game ever ;p
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For you read Blubb:
You came into this thread very strong with your analysis of our top suspects at the time, OtoshimonoU and Sufficiency. You chose to view OtoshimonoU as the more suspicious person at that time.
As stated you bring up DT and PR's the most, showing you are more experienced than most in a newbie game. If you were an experienced town, wouldn't you want to assert your experience and try and drive inexperienced townies towards the right lynches (this inexperience being me and Mav who are both first time Mafia players on TL) You are being way too passive in trying to convince me against DimmuKlok, why should my opinion be as important as yours if you are the more experienced player?
Regarding your claim as DT, your DT claims are consistent with your behavior, however I'd like to point out you never made a serious case against gunman in the open. Yes you could have had inside information based on your DT check, but you never elaborated on that, you only stayed on gunman because he made attacks on Rain who flipped green. When I made my counter-case against DimmuKlok at the same time you said you were going to stay on gunman but no elaboration on why except for "his fast push on Rainmaker seems suspicious" Do you have any response for this behavior except for "I did a check on him and that's why I knew he was Mafia?" Because yes, you personally could have known but if you didnt get enough people on the gunman vote then we would have lost this game since it was in ly-lo situation already.
You also have just written your views on me and DimmuKlok, and you say that his "Mistrust everyone, calls out" is a pro-town move. It may be pro-town for him personally, but he's never going to be able to gain any credibility when he has been consistently wrong. In that case, this is actually bad for him personally because it makes him such a good target in a situation like this where either of you are the real Mafia, and a 3rd person has to be the one to weigh in and choose.
You have ~4.5 hours to explain this behavior, hope you're around.
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EBWOP:
I forgot to mention the part where you potentially screwed town over by not changing your vote from DimmuKlok to Sufficiency when you specifically asked which person we were going after, and we responded 20 minutes later. Why ask at all if you're going to disregard anything we're going to say? If DimmuKlok didn't switch, and Sufficiency actually came back in time to not get modkilled, that would have been game for town. Pretty inexcusable behavior.
Adding on to that, that also throws your DT claim into question. There was really no need to throw in the DT claim at night when you knew you were not likely to be killed, it's verging on misinformation. The two main suspects that me and Maverick were debating between were you and DimmuKlok. If you were killed off during the night, the only suspect left would be the obvious one in DimmuKlok. Conversely DimmuKlok also would not have been killed off because then we would have focused on Blubbdavid, so neither of you dying was the only valid strategy a Mafia would have.
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So I know I just made chain posts saying that I found you suspicious in many ways Blubbdavid, but at this point I'm going to just save myself the stress and vote DimmuKlok and follow Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and it would be far more complex that you fake a DT claim then DimmuKlok just really being the Mafia godfather all along.
Of the two of you, DimmuKlok has made numerous wrong calls on many people not including Otoshimono, Sufficiency, Maverick, and myself. While it is okay to be suspicious of everyone in the beginning until you can feel out who is really town, this constant claiming of Mafia has only been to his detriment, and hiding behind his godfather ability to return as green is the only good explanation. At least you Blubbdavid have been consistent about who you suspect, and your DT claim is believable, and you have been by far the better town player of the two of you.
If you have been Mafia the whole time Blubbdavid, then gg wp.
##Vote: DimmuKlok.
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GG, I kinda had a feeling on Blubb lying, there were several inconsistencies, but Dimm switched back to being against me, so it was too late to try and convince him and would be too self-serving.
Oh well, was a fun learning experience, gl to those of you in the aperture science game as well, do us newbies proud~
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Eh, gonzaw, I think town did okay for what we had to work with, did you see how many town people were modkilled for being inactive? Then again, the fact that Sufficiency was able to coast for 4 days before getting lynched is really bad by town.
Out of all of you who voted for OtoshimonoU, try and put yourself in his shoes sometime as an innocent townie with everyone against you, Sufficiency by far was the more scummy player but everyone bandwagons too easily (myself included) on the easy lynch to try and feel useful.
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I'll take any advice you want to give EchelonTee either here in thread or in PMs, whichever you prefer.
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