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On March 06 2012 07:43 Probulous wrote:
Now you say that the SK would shoot mafia. That much is obvious. I go back to my previous point. He doesn't know who mafia are (he could shoot town) and we have to kill him before the end of the game. Obviously it is better to lynch mafia over the SK, but it is better to lynch the SK over town.
Probulous, by your logic vig's should all be lynched day 1 too. Because that's exactly what the SK is, an extra town vig. I've given my reasons for what I did and honestly, you aren't the mayor here so I don't have to defend myself to you anymore that I have already. Pandain is scum. I wanted to lynch him. That's all there was to it.
As for proving you're town, a defense that I might have accepted would have been that you misread the voting rules and thought a no-lynch was going to happen. Or even if you could point to somewhere in your filter where you say that both Misder and Sandroba are town (that's what Adam did).
What is this? Fine, next time I'll lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. lol Also Sandroba is not town, that much is pretty obvious.
On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum.
I would have agreed with you before Day 2. See the thing is, SK has 1kp per night. So where is the second night 2 hit? Sandro so far is the only one to have claimed vet and says he took the hit. Are we to assume he shot himself? I suppose there's a chance that both the SK and mafia hit RG, but that doesn't seem terribly likely.
This set off alarm bells for me. I took a look at your filter Pandain, what's interesting is that this is the first time you've really discussed Sandro at all. And to come out arguing that he could possibly be town? Really? Sandro is not town this game. He's been lurky and posting weird pointless short fluff. I don't understand where you are getting this from.
I'm leaving work now, so I'll be posting a bit more detailed explanation of my thoughts in a bit. But after this, my leading scum suspects are Pandain and now Sandroba.
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On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum.
I don't know why you say there is no resistance to him being lynched. Toast is screaming blue murder that you are scum. If my team is correct then blue is soft-bussing which is unsurprising. The way I see it these are the possible explanations for Sandroba "hit"
Fake Claim- He is trying to gain cred by faking a claimed hit.
- Serial Killer / Mafia - Helps him avoid suspicion Day 2
- Town - Clears his name to some extent
The implications of this are that there may not be a SK. The problem with the fake claim is that the benefit for him is minimal. The way he claimed makes him look less like a veteran than someone who got medic saved and no town medic would save him. I believe he was shot.
Real Claim- He survived a hit and claimed it
- Serial Killer - Knows someone has hit him and wants to flush that person out.
- Mafia - Knows that someone has hit him and will claim the hit if they are a vigilante. The vig gets town cred and he looks bad for not claiming the hit so he does it first. The claim also might flush out the shooter. The SK could act like a vig too so either way he had to claim.
- Veteran - He has been shot and can excuse his crappy play as an attempt to get shot.
The issue I have with the veteran claim is the manner in which he claimed it. Most vets celebrate when they get shot, they have achieved their aim. His was a BTW sort of admission. Combined with his lurky play I don't believe his vet claim. That leaves SK or mafia. I don't agree with Pandain that he isn't being defended. Toast is pretty vehement that Pandain is scum. Chainsaw much?
A Sandroba lynch will confirm the existence of a Serial Killer if he flips Veteran (unlikely). If he flips scum we celebrate and we know they have a medic. If he flips SK we have removed a potential issue for town. He isn't playing well and I would guess would probably shoot town before he shoots scum.
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On March 06 2012 07:52 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum. I agree that he isn't scum, but he's almost certainly SK. We're better off lynching him now, rather than letting him get another shot off.
That's the beauty behind this plan. You see, by having the tracker track him continously, we effectively negate any chance of him shooting anyone(because he would get caught.) In fact, it doesn't even matter if we have a tracker or not, the mere threat of being revealed(and he's alone so if he gets caught he loses), forces him to not shoot.
The point I'm trying to make by saying we should lynch someone else, is that if we lynch sandroba we will have no more information, and no more reads on anyone(unless he flips town.) We all are 90-95% sure he's SK, the point is that he's now effectively out of the game and useless to us. Right now we should be focusing on lynching scum so we can have a chance to lynch scum and KEEP lynching scum, rather then wasting a day on someone who can't even hurt town(can't shoot.).
If there's a flaw please tell me, but as of now I see no good reason to waste today on him when we could critically decide between blue lightz and toast.
I would have agreed with you before Day 2. See the thing is, SK has 1kp per night. So where is the second night 2 hit? Sandro so far is the only one to have claimed vet and says he took the hit. Are we to assume he shot himself? I suppose there's a chance that both the SK and mafia hit RG, but that doesn't seem terribly likely.
What? I don't get it. Theres a possibility that he's a vet and someone else is a SK. its not a good one but again, the point is that we not waste a lynch if we can force him to not shoot.
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And toast is negligient, he merely is focused on me because I've been focused on him. He's been on me since day 1, and he hasn't supported Sandroba.
There is effectively no support for Sandroba. But again, this only indicates he's not scum, as they wouldn't just let him(and he wouldn't be so lethargic about getting lynched), die when theres a valid excuse.
But I'm not even denying that Sandroba is probably scum. The key fact is that by lynching him we effectively waste a day to either confirm what we already assumed(he's SK), or the fact that he's a vet(in which case we just lynched a town woopdie doo). If we make him unable to shoot for fear of getting caught, then we don't even have to worry about him harming town.
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On March 06 2012 08:01 TheToast wrote:
Probulous, by your logic vig's should all be lynched day 1 too. Because that's exactly what the SK is, an extra town vig. I've given my reasons for what I did and honestly, you aren't the mayor here so I don't have to defend myself to you anymore that I have already. Pandain is scum. I wanted to lynch him. That's all there was to it.
A vig that shoots repeatedly and wins when town dies is not the same as a normal vig. You can't deny that the existence of a SK is a danger to town. It means there is more KP around that needs town to die to win. Like I said, it makes sense for an SK to go after mafia but ultimately he has to go after town as well. So as town we lynch Mafia>SK>Town.
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As for proving you're town, a defense that I might have accepted would have been that you misread the voting rules and thought a no-lynch was going to happen. Or even if you could point to somewhere in your filter where you say that both Misder and Sandroba are town (that's what Adam did).
What is this? Fine, next time I'll lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. lol Also Sandroba is not town, that much is pretty obvious.
No you don't lie. All I was saying is that there non-summy reasons for doing what you did, but they aren't the reasons you had. Your actions could have come from town but your reasoning confirms you as scum. Anyway I am voting for sandroba today as his lynch gives me more information than yours and is more likely to succeed. But you will be on my lynch list tomorrow.
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On March 06 2012 08:19 Pandain wrote:
And toast is negligient, he merely is focused on me because I've been focused on him. He's been on me since day 1, and he hasn't supported Sandroba.
There is effectively no support for Sandroba. But again, this only indicates he's not scum, as they wouldn't just let him(and he wouldn't be so lethargic about getting lynched), die when theres a valid excuse.
But I'm not even denying that Sandroba is probably scum. The key fact is that by lynching him we effectively waste a day to either confirm what we already assumed(he's SK), or the fact that he's a vet(in which case we just lynched a town woopdie doo). If we make him unable to shoot for fear of getting caught, then we don't even have to worry about him harming town.
You reasoning rests of two assumptions- He is the SK
- Mafia would defend him if he was scum
The first can only be confirmed by a flip. The second is big. He was scummy since Day 1 and was almost lynched. Then he was shot overnight. Despite all this he has not attempted to provide any analysis at all. Anyone straight up defending him would have to use really weird logic or a chainsaw defense. Surely it is better to let him swing and waste town's time on someone who is clearly not town. Plus they can gain a little cred for his flip and can hide amongst the rest of the votes. I don't see why this is unlikely. If he is mafia they have a medic and he clearly isn't it (he can't protect himself).
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Jackal, so far you have been as useful as tits on a bull.
You survived night 1 which was your reason for lurking day 1. Well it is day 2 and we have nothing from you. What is your reason today? If this keeps up I will have to assume you don't care about town winning and so must be scum. You're good at this game gives us something.
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I actually change my mind, but mainly for two reasons:
1. By having tracker continuously track him, it wastes tracker time when he could be finding more scum(and tracker tracking new people is arguably more important then finding out more evidence).
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.
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On March 06 2012 08:37 Pandain wrote:
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.
This will hopefully get clarified by the sandroba lynch. If he flips SK then obviously there was one. If he is veteran then we can assume he was shot and so there are two KP meaning there is a SK. If he is mafia, who cares? If he is town then my mind is full of fuck.
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I was occupied with life events yesterday, hence my inactivity for a large portion of it.
Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba
Jackal, for a game you claimed 'is worth playing', you sure are going about it strangely. Do you plan to just ignore me calling your case shit? is that because you know it was?
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On March 06 2012 08:20 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:01 TheToast wrote:
Probulous, by your logic vig's should all be lynched day 1 too. Because that's exactly what the SK is, an extra town vig. I've given my reasons for what I did and honestly, you aren't the mayor here so I don't have to defend myself to you anymore that I have already. Pandain is scum. I wanted to lynch him. That's all there was to it. A vig that shoots repeatedly and wins when town dies is not the same as a normal vig. You can't deny that the existence of a SK is a danger to town. It means there is more KP around that needs town to die to win. Like I said, it makes sense for an SK to go after mafia but ultimately he has to go after town as well. So as town we lynch Mafia>SK>Town.
Why didn't you bring any of this up yesterday when I came up with the sandro is SK theory? I suppose it makes sense, but I still say if there is a confirmed scum you vote them over the SK. Pandain is confirmed scum IMO. If in your terrible reasoning that makes me scum, then whatever.
On March 06 2012 08:37 Pandain wrote:
I actually change my mind, but mainly for two reasons:
1. By having tracker continuously track him, it wastes tracker time when he could be finding more scum(and tracker tracking new people is arguably more important then finding out more evidence).
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.
1. Toast calls out Pandain for defending Sandro
2. Pandain 180s and decides to lynch sandro
Calling it now, Pandain Sandro scum team.
Sandro's lurkiness makes me think he's not a vanilla mafia, possibly a vig. Pandain can wait for day 3.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba
Eating dinner now, I'll post a nice long analysis later.
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On March 06 2012 08:32 Probulous wrote:
Jackal, so far you have been as useful as tits on a bull.
You survived night 1 which was your reason for lurking day 1. Well it is day 2 and we have nothing from you. What is your reason today? If this keeps up I will have to assume you don't care about town winning and so must be scum. You're good at this game gives us something.
Thank you. Just got home from work.
I don't know why anybody thinks I'm good at this. It pops up every game.
Dunno what Sandroba is. I was hoping Palmar would slip but it's hard to get Palmar to slip, but any ways I think Palmar is SK. If he's scum he has done a good job changing his scum persona. If he's 3rd party he's changed that a bit as well but I certainly don't see him as town.
I stand by my belief Adam is scum. I've been absent. He's been useless.
Pandain scares the hell out of me. I've seen him pull this kind of fake claim as scum before. And get away with it.
Everybody else no freaking clue.
##VOTE: Adam4167
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Current Vote Count:
Sandroba - 9
TheToast
Adam4167
Pandain
Probulous
Paperscraps
Snarfs
Bluelightz
deconduo
Palmar
Adam4167 - 2
Jackal58
Probulous
A Killer Cuppa Tea
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 1
Palmar
Bluelightz
deconduo
Snarfs
sandroba
Bluelightz - 0
Pandain
Probulous
Deconduo - 0
Paperscraps
TheToast - 0
Pandain
Pandain - 0
TheToast
A Killer Cuppa Tea
If there is a mistake, please let me know. Voting ends in 2 hours 50 minutes.
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Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all.
This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy.
Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here.
Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting.
##Unvote
##Vote: Deconduo
Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet.
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On March 06 2012 09:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:32 Probulous wrote:
Jackal, so far you have been as useful as tits on a bull.
You survived night 1 which was your reason for lurking day 1. Well it is day 2 and we have nothing from you. What is your reason today? If this keeps up I will have to assume you don't care about town winning and so must be scum. You're good at this game gives us something. Thank you. Just got home from work. I don't know why anybody thinks I'm good at this. It pops up every game. Dunno what Sandroba is. I was hoping Palmar would slip but it's hard to get Palmar to slip, but any ways I think Palmar is SK. If he's scum he has done a good job changing his scum persona. If he's 3rd party he's changed that a bit as well but I certainly don't see him as town. I stand by my belief Adam is scum. I've been absent. He's been useless. Pandain scares the hell out of me. I've seen him pull this kind of fake claim as scum before. And get away with it. Everybody else no freaking clue.
##VOTE: Adam4167
What you're saying makes no sense.
You don't know what sandroba is, yet you were inferring my guilt from me defending him earlier.
You think Palmar could be 3rd party or scum. I spent a large portion of D1 attacking Palmar.
Yet i'm scum.
You calling someone useless is rich. I hope for your sake you aren't town, because if this is your town play, you have a very inflated reputation.
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I'm not scum.
I doubt AKCT is.
You guys see a fucking problem with this lynch?
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On March 06 2012 09:25 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 09:08 Jackal58 wrote:On March 06 2012 08:32 Probulous wrote:
Jackal, so far you have been as useful as tits on a bull.
You survived night 1 which was your reason for lurking day 1. Well it is day 2 and we have nothing from you. What is your reason today? If this keeps up I will have to assume you don't care about town winning and so must be scum. You're good at this game gives us something. Thank you. Just got home from work. I don't know why anybody thinks I'm good at this. It pops up every game. Dunno what Sandroba is. I was hoping Palmar would slip but it's hard to get Palmar to slip, but any ways I think Palmar is SK. If he's scum he has done a good job changing his scum persona. If he's 3rd party he's changed that a bit as well but I certainly don't see him as town. I stand by my belief Adam is scum. I've been absent. He's been useless. Pandain scares the hell out of me. I've seen him pull this kind of fake claim as scum before. And get away with it. Everybody else no freaking clue.
##VOTE: Adam4167 What you're saying makes no sense. You don't know what sandroba is, yet you were inferring my guilt from me defending him earlier. You think Palmar could be 3rd party or scum. I spent a large portion of D1 attacking Palmar. Yet i'm scum. You calling someone useless is rich. I hope for your sake you aren't town, because if this is your town play, you have a very inflated reputation.
Makes me believe even all the more he's SK. Scum love to find SKs.
And thanks for showing up only when I mention you.
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You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST
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