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On March 05 2012 18:25 deconduo wrote:Why would he be worried about getting shot if he knew he had a medic to save him? In fact, I think SK is far far more likely as they would have the most to lose by getting shot; losing their night life. A mafia with a medic to back them up is basically immune to night hits, so shouldn't be worried at all.
On March 06 2012 07:52 deconduo wrote:
I agree that he isn't scum, but he's almost certainly SK. We're better off lynching him now, rather than letting him get another shot off.
Paper, decon doesn't read as scum to me. Your case was that he was pushing bad cases. Well when it was clear they weren't happening (me) he dropped it. That could be scum or town. Misder disappeared and never responded to anything so it would be monumentally stupid of decon to remove his vote without something to explain it. I mean if Misder could get off by just not saying anything then we would never lynch mafia. He followed through with his case and was wrong. At least he was clear on his intention to lynch Misder.
Compare that with Toast's actions. He chose to not to vote for his "SK" and let a townie swing. His actions are far more scummy than decon. Sandroba has been actively useless (is there such a thing?). He is around and posts enough to avoid the modkill but doesn't bother to add anything of use.
Is there anything more to your case than his bad reads?
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On March 06 2012 09:31 Adam4167 wrote:
You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST
Jumping on a Sandroba wagon does not count.
And seriously at that point you should be able to see that nobody had voted anywhere else. You're scum bro.
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On March 06 2012 10:16 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 09:31 Adam4167 wrote:
You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST Jumping on a Sandroba wagon does not count. And seriously at that point you should be able to see that nobody had voted anywhere else. You're scum bro.
You keep banging that drum.
And I'm not your 'bro'.
You come back with a coherent case that consists of more then baseless accusations, and then I'll defend myself. Otherwise, find something more productive to do, because right now you're just filling the thread with pointless noise.
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On March 06 2012 10:37 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 10:16 Jackal58 wrote:On March 06 2012 09:31 Adam4167 wrote:
You arent even reading the thread, are you?
I posted before you did, at 8:55 KST Jumping on a Sandroba wagon does not count. And seriously at that point you should be able to see that nobody had voted anywhere else. You're scum bro. You keep banging that drum. And I'm not your 'bro'. You come back with a coherent case that consists of more then baseless accusations, and then I'll defend myself. Otherwise, find something more productive to do, because right now you're just filling the thread with pointless noise.
Calling scum scum is never pointless.
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On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote:
I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me.So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town.
On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote:
Don't forget attack Palmar, I've done plenty of that as well. How does any of that make me scum and only scum? You are assuming Sandroba's guilt from his lack of effort (something BOTH of you were doing) and then inferring my guilt from that.
From this I read suspicion of Palmar for his case against sandroba. Therefore in terms of likelihood of being mafia
Palmar > sandroba.
On March 05 2012 13:23 Adam4167 wrote:Bluelightz, why are you giving up so easily after one vote? Compared to your play in Normal Mini Mafia I, where you had 4 votes piled on you the first day and you tried to defend yourself.Do you feel guilty again, like in Student Mafia?
Suspicion of Bluelightz, therefore likelihood of mafia
Bluelightz > sandroba.
On March 06 2012 08:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Its far too late in the day to start pushing another case. Id like to see a resolution to this night-hit situation.
##Vote sandroba
What happened?
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Current Vote Count:
Sandroba - 8
TheToast
Adam4167
Pandain
Probulous
Paperscraps
Snarfs
Bluelightz
deconduo
Palmar
Adam4167 - 2
Jackal58
Probulous
A Killer Cuppa Tea
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 1
Palmar
Bluelightz
deconduo
Snarfs
sandroba
Deconduo - 1
Paperscraps
Bluelightz - 0
Pandain
Probulous
TheToast - 0
Pandain
Pandain - 0
TheToast
A Killer Cuppa Tea
If there is a mistake, please let me know. Voting ends in 1 hour at 12 KST. Sandroba is currently to be lynched.
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On March 03 2012 10:27 Palmar wrote:
you Adam4167
also, if I'm scum you lynch me, vet or not it's bad logic to let vets get away with shit.
On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote:Deconduo, you decided to use an easy fucking bullshit explanation to vote a townie, even after I told you that it was bullshit, and I later explained that I thought he was town. I take that as an insult. You're literally calling me bad at mafia by straight up refusing to listen to me.I will make sure you die this game.
Palmar do you still think a scum team of sandroba, Adam and decon makes sense? Your input would be appreciated. As with Jackal you're good when you're town so I value your thoughts.
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I don't think Sandroba is going to flip scum. He claimed he was looking to be replaced. Nobody has voted against or argued against his lynch.
If sand is scum they are bussing him.
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@Everyone 
What would be a reasonably balanced number of scum if there was a Serial Killer. I know this is setup speculation and so cannot be relied upon but I have no idea how these setups are usually balanced. I have been basing on reads on the assumption of three mafia, is this reasonable?
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EBWOP: *my reads
What a fail 
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Once the lynch is done can we please get a final vote count that includes the ordering of the votes? eg Toast is labelled as the first voter for sandroba which is not correct. I can do this if it is not part of the hosts' responsibility. Thanks
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On March 06 2012 11:18 Probulous wrote:
Once the lynch is done can we please get a final vote count that includes the ordering of the votes? eg Toast is labelled as the first voter for sandroba which is not correct. I can do this if it is not part of the hosts' responsibility. Thanks
yeah i'll do this with the night post
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I'm posting from my phone so I can't quote stuff.
Prob, I already stated why I'm on the sandroba lynch in that post. It's too late in the day for me to push the cases I want to push, so I'm bandwagon voting on sandroba to try and get a better grasp on what happened last night. I like other lynches better but convincing at least 4 people to move off of sandroba is something that would take more time then we had when I voted.
It's a shit vote and I know it, but my vote going anywhere else is just as shit, considering the current vote tally.
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On March 06 2012 11:38 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm posting from my phone so I can't quote stuff.
Prob, I already stated why I'm on the sandroba lynch in that post. It's too late in the day for me to push the cases I want to push, so I'm bandwagon voting on sandroba to try and get a better grasp on what happened last night. I like other lynches better but convincing at least 4 people to move off of sandroba is something that would take more time then we had when I voted.
It's a shit vote and I know it, but my vote going anywhere else is just as shit, considering the current vote tally.
Well this is completely illogical. Your last sentence implies that sandroba is getting lynched regardless of your vote. The rest of your post suggests you want a conclusion to the night hit. Well combining those would suggest that you will get that conclusion regardless of how you vote.
In this situation it would make sense to stick with your reads. If people switch to your reads then great, if not you get clarification on the hit. Either way it looks like you don't believe he is scum, so why vote for him? You're taking the easy way out and I don't like it. Town Adam doesn't do things the easy way.
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On March 06 2012 11:09 Jackal58 wrote:
I don't think Sandroba is going to flip scum. He claimed he was looking to be replaced. Nobody has voted against or argued against his lynch.
If sand is scum they are bussing him.
I think you are wrong.
Sandro originally caught my attention for his posts, they've been really irregular to start, clearly he's been pretty lurky this game. Of the few there are, almost all of them have been really pointless, strange, and full of fluff. Originally day 1 I was thinking SK, it seemed to make sense given how lurky he is and what has seemed to be him trying to avert attention from himself. As soon as I made this accusation against him he immediately voted for my lynch day 1. Who immediately votes to lynch someone for one post?
Despite there being no second kill night one (doesn't prove no SK, votes could have stacked) the real evidence for me was Pandain's reaction to sandro's imminent lynch. Pandain has barely even recognized sandro's existence this game then posts this:
On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum.
So here's Pandain basically defending sandro saying he could be town. Take a look at sandro's filter for this game, there's no way that he is town. Sandro's town play looks nothing like this. I called Pandain out and posted this (spoilered)
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2012 08:01 TheToast wrote:
I would have agreed with you before Day 2. See the thing is, SK has 1kp per night. So where is the second night 2 hit? Sandro so far is the only one to have claimed vet and says he took the hit. Are we to assume he shot himself? I suppose there's a chance that both the SK and mafia hit RG, but that doesn't seem terribly likely.
This set off alarm bells for me. I took a look at your filter Pandain, what's interesting is that this is the first time you've really discussed Sandro at all. And to come out arguing that he could possibly be town? Really? Sandro is not town this game. He's been lurky and posting weird pointless short fluff. I don't understand where you are getting this from.
I'm leaving work now, so I'll be posting a bit more detailed explanation of my thoughts in a bit. But after this, my leading scum suspects are Pandain and now Sandroba.
Just over a half hour later Pandain goes a complete 180 and posts this:
On March 06 2012 08:37 Pandain wrote:
I actually change my mind, but mainly for two reasons:
1. By having tracker continuously track him, it wastes tracker time when he could be finding more scum(and tracker tracking new people is arguably more important then finding out more evidence).
2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist.
All that reasoning about the tracker/no lynch plan? Out the window! No clearly it was all just a terrible idea, screw it just lynch him!
This is clearly a scum move. He defends him with a ridiculous argument then after getting called on it completely back tracks but does so in a way that attempts to make it look like the result of some logical reasoning. Sorry, nope.
Pandain is scum and this little diddly of a post convinced me he's trying to protect Sandro and then bailed when I called him out on it. My guess is Sandro is a vig or medic. It explains why he was lurking all game and why he's been trying to keep attention off himself. Also explains why Pandain has practically ignored him this game and why he tried this clumsy defense. Also explains why there was no second kill night 1 (because there is no SK)
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Waiting for a typical TL last minute vote switch that leads to a medic outing themselves and a no-lynch. This game has been pretty boring. Half the time I end up talking to myself.
Paper I am still waiting on your response to my question about decon.
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ROFL that timing again. Always gets me.
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Final Vote Count: (Voters in Chronological order)
Sandroba - 8
decon
palmar
bluelightz
snarfs
paperscraps
probulous
pandain
adam4167
thetoast
Adam4167 - 2
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Probulous
Jackal58
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 1
Palmar
Bluelightz
deconduo
Snarfs
sandroba
Deconduo - 1
Paperscraps
Bluelightz - 0
Pandain
Probulous
TheToast - 0
Pandain
Pandain - 0
TheToast
A Killer Cuppa Tea
If there is a mistake, please let me know.
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Night 2: A Clear Majority![[image loading]](http://btx3.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/walk-the-plank.jpg?w=468%5B%2Fimg%5D%5B%2Fcenter%5D)
After losing two of the ships finest sea lassies the crew got to work hunting down any possible mutiny. Uproar of hidden plans and trickery were a plenty. In the end the vast majority of fingers, of those who still had theirs, and pegs were all pointed at one Pirate. "Sandroba" called out Captain Wiggles, "the rest of the ship wants you dead, any words for yourself?"
With a smirk on his face Sandroba stood tall and said nothing.
"Fine," proclaimed Captain Wiggles, "it is YOU who will walk the plank today."
Behind the screams and cheers of the rest of the ship, Sandroba , weighted with cannons tied around his waist, walked eerily silent off the plank and into the sudden death of the Sea.
As the ship pulled away, a thin trace of red could be seen from where Sandroba's body would remain for eternity.
Sandroba the Mafia Goon has walked the plank!
Night 2 has now begun. Day 3 will begin at 11:00 KST, 23 hours from now. Please remember to submit all actions to myself and Mr. Wiggles before then.
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*dancing in the street*
ooooh yeah!!!!
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