Newbie Mini Mafia IV

On February 28 2012 10:02 Alderan wrote:
I might have lied to you. I just went back to the voting thread and here is what I saw:

igabod - 5
k2hd
DoYouHas
Chocolate
Janaan
Steveling

Chocolate - 5
phagga
JekyllAndHyde
slOosh
ghost_403
NightFury

Of the 5 voting igabod I have suspicions of 4 of them.
k2hd
Chocolate
Janaan
Steveling

Of the 5 voting for Chocolate I have town reads on 3 (and a half) of them. Obviously not going to list them.


The way this looks to me, without one clear bus target is that we might be right. I think Chocolate may actually be scum. I think they are in a position where they have to stack on the inactive so as to save their team mate.

Potentially changing my vote, what does everyone think?

On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote:
Okay gumshoe, got a question for you.

Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot.

Who do you shoot?

Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses.

On March 02 2012 09:07 gumshoe wrote:


1because Ive been in no condition to attack them, I built my case around the person I was surest to lynch,

sloosh is more a gut thing

phagga basicaly said he was ok with a no lynch at the start of the game, saying we should only lynch scum, not lurkers

2phagga attacked chocolate earlier and hasnt let up despite the fact that at points chocolate had at least look as if he had improved, he always remaind suspicius of him, which leads me to bilieve it dosent matter to him if players improve he only cares about what mistakes theyve made

3I dont like how he contenuesley framed my pressuring zell as fishing for blue, I pressured zell because I dindint like that he gave us that information,

4I dont like that he placed his vote on chocolate and then said I was next, because what that basicaly means is that he postions himself perfectley to see a lynch through on either of us no matter what, sure enough as it seems im the more likely lynch things he switches to me. Also by saying im next he basicaly says theres no chance of me bieng town, which isnt a townie out look.

5Calls me pathetic ) : hurt my feelings,but also suggests that hes trying to destroy character regardless.

Says he wont switch his vote no matter what and that towns only bet is me.

6Seems to be the most aggresive active poster and if I had to kill someone important it would be him.

On March 01 2012 19:39 k2hd wrote:
I believe that chocolate is town.

He's had a LOT of pressure put on him due to his sub-par posting on day 1, and had to defend himself left, right and centre for the rest of day 1. He's spent most of his time on defensive posts, and perhaps hasn't been able to focus on gathering much of his own evidence on other players. He is very aggressive in trying to force lurkers to post more by voting, but as was mentioned by DYH, this could just have been a poorly thought out way of fostering discussion. I understand that it may have been an easy way to avoid generating original content/cases of his own, but again, this is probably just the play style of a townie who is unsure of what to do, or who would rather not stick his head out too much. I did not check up on everyone's previous games, but from what I gather from what others have said, chocolate was mafia in his last game, had to tone down his posting because it was too aggressive, and hasn't played town before (unless he's had another game that I don't know about).

There is also this post by chocolate:



Why would he argue so confidently against a vote swing AWAY from him?

Chocolate is also one of the first to start getting suspicious of alderan. After day 1, some of the heat was finally lifted off of him and focused on alderan by others. Following this, we have sloosh post a large case against alderan, followed by JekylAndHyde's case, and alderan is under more and more pressure. Instead of continuing his case against alderan, chocolate decides to launch a case against night fury of all people, who no one had posted any suspicions against yet. If he were mafia, why would he not join others in pressuring alderan (or the case that is piling up against gumshoe), and go for a target who would be harder to mislynch? I sincerely believe chocolate is town, and that some of those pressuring him hard are looking scummy to me.

Those who voted chocolate on day 1: phagga, sloosh, NightFury, ghost

I currently do not have as much info as I'd like on NightFury to say much about him.

Sloosh's actions seem pro-town to me so far, and though he has not posted as much as others, his posts have generally been full of content.

Now for the remaining two:

Phagga has been trying very hard for a chocolate lynch the whole game. He takes a moment to call gumshoe out on why he didn't change his vote from ghost, and why he felt the need to "take responsibility" for voting chocolate if he flipped green, and then goes straight back to attacking chocolate. He is either getting tunnel vision with chocolate, or trying to get the mislynch on him. Have a look at this post. He accuses chocolate of relying on the arguments of others, and voting lurkers (a policy which he did state at the start), but ignores the fact that it is chocolate who first brought up a case against alderan (albeit a rather lackluster one) and states emphatically that he will vote chocolate again on day 2, presumably for not coming up with original cases/evidence, when there was still 48 irl hours for chocolate to contribute on day 2 (day 1 had not even ended yet). This early vote behaviour was the same thing we called nttea out for when he wanted a default alderan lynch.

Then we have ghost. His last few posts have all been aimed at chocolate. here they are

Ghost and phagga engage in banter that seems like bullying chocolate to me in the first post, and the second post is unnecessary, because although chocolate did not do anything like make a new case, it was still a valid point. Nttea should not be posting like that, and if he is as clueless as he says he is, chocolate was only helping him. The way he analyses the chocolate quotes in the third post is very condescending in tone. He could have done so without putting chocolate down, as others in the thread have done.

I also do not trust this post made by ghost:



Trying to gain the trust of the town by encouraging a chocolate or ghost lynch on day 1. If chocolate flipped green, suspicion may still have fallen off of ghost because mafia would presumably not make a post like this. I realise that this point is a bit WIFOM (I think I'm using the term correctly?).

Basically, it seems to me that phagga and ghost are actively trying to discredit chocolate after his already shaky start, and possibly also get the mislynch on him.