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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 19:50 GMT
#1861
On March 01 2012 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why don't you just answer my questions and respond reasonably instead of trying to get under my skin, that's how scum would deal with me anyway

Why do you think I'm lying about my role? Why are you spending time speculating on the setup instead of actually making cases on the people you say are scum? You're not doing anything except saying "these people are scum", so far you haven't provided any convincing reason for anyone to agree with your reads. If responding to being called scum or asking you to support your read is evidence of being really scared or is somehow scummy then I'd love to hear you explain why that is

Because I don't believe scum would kill Jackal, thus I don't believe Your claim.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:52 GMT
#1862
If he was intent on defending RedFF why did he switch and keep his vote there when there were 2 available counterwagons on both BC and BH? He wasn't really defending RedFF imo but just saying that RedFF's play fit into his meta as both town and scum and he was getting a null read for the time being. Considering it's Day 1 that doesn't seem terrible in and of itself, but I definitely caught on to the same things in my case against him on Day 2. He also did a terrible job of pressuring me at the end of the day and was very antagonistic about it, dropped the case after I responded about twice without ever saying "i dont think youre scum anymore" or anything like that.

If I were the DT I'd check WBG or VisceraEyes tonight personally. I think one of them is definitely scum.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:54 GMT
#1863
On March 01 2012 04:50 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why don't you just answer my questions and respond reasonably instead of trying to get under my skin, that's how scum would deal with me anyway

Why do you think I'm lying about my role? Why are you spending time speculating on the setup instead of actually making cases on the people you say are scum? You're not doing anything except saying "these people are scum", so far you haven't provided any convincing reason for anyone to agree with your reads. If responding to being called scum or asking you to support your read is evidence of being really scared or is somehow scummy then I'd love to hear you explain why that is

Because I don't believe scum would kill Jackal, thus I don't believe Your claim.

He could have been onto something in the day. They could have been trying to confuse us. They could have figured he's a dangerous player to keep around. They could have figured he would definitely not get medic protection. Syllo could have died to vig or third party, I don't know until tomorrow and I might not check his death.

This is as WIFOM as it can get really. If mafia has 2 KP they both got blocked last night so maybe they just wanted to go after someone who was likely to not get protected? Who knows?

I got the result I got. It is what it is. If I'm scum lying about it why not just say I got the vig result which is in line with what town was guessing anyway? That's WIFOM too but if you are willing to base your trust in a player based off of reasoning like that then why not.
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 20:05 GMT
#1864
Why You didn't check syllogism?
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 20:06 GMT
#1865
Because I thought Jackal was the stranger hit and more likely to turn up Vig or third party.
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 20:09 GMT
#1866
On March 01 2012 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because I thought Jackal was the stranger hit and more likely to turn up Vig or third party.

But syllogism was blue. Remember the wbg mason thing? Wouldn't knowing who killed syllogism be a lot better given this?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 20:10 GMT
#1867
Yeah I'd say VE is mafia, wbg is probably mafia and therefore we should listen to wbg. Sounds funny, but it's my awesome plan that makes sense if you think about it:

WBG told me when I asked about VE to ignore VE if I don't know whats going to. Why should I ignore nullreads or people who are giving me different vibes? That's not what a townie should do imo...

Also WBG made a neat list yesterday. It consisted of prpl, VE and Toad (<--- That's me).
We should 100% lynch into that list because it probably has exactly one mafia in it. That mafia is VE.
Prpl already flipped green and if wbg is mafia he's not going to make a 3/3 townie list telling us to lynch into that, also WBG is the kind of player that talks about other mafia players. Look at AC's post game what Radfield said. Always mix up things. 2 townies 1 mafia sounds reasonable and I thought the one mafia is prpl but our lynch explained that situation.

Even if I'm wrong on wbg it's np because if wbg is town listening to him is not a bad talent toi have because he really wants to find mafia. I know I am not mafia. I know prpl is not mafia. Looking bad for VE either way.

Yes this is a little wifom but it's not the entire case. I have said VE looks pretty scummy from d1 on, was a little confused d2 because I didn't think he'd behave that way as mafia but what he said yesterday really gave him away.
If someone says something bad town-VE talks about it in a "normal" fashen. fosing a little, being a little agressive but in a normal fashion, not like wbg for example. Yesterday when I talked about that wifom about VE he suddenly jumped in the discussion telling me I'm wrong and that what I posted is not prove for VE being mafia (which I never said, I only thought it's pretty likely and I in reality I was talking about wbg's alignment the most time, VE was just a sidecomment).
That's the kind of action he does as mafia, being gentle like that. Look at AC, he did the same move with me on d3 after shooting 2 townies.
I asked "is someone scared to die? I am going to shoot tonight" and some people said stuff like "with your aim I am really scared" (think it was risk?) and that looked normal but out of nowhere VE waltzed in the thread saying something along the lines "no Toad, you don't suck! This is your time! Make the right decision" trying to gentle and to curry favour with me (<-- never used that term, according to dict.cc it's what I mean :p ). He did the same yesterday and it is an extreme mafia-VE-treat.

And that's just the "new" stuff. Still everything I said about him d1 and d2 hold. Still everything Layabout said about him holds. VE needs to be lynched tomorrow.

Fancy conclusion:
VE is mafia
WBG is probably mafia. Nevertheless lynching VE first is the better choice

I've been on his ass for all the time and I can see if you don't trust me given what DocH and WBG said about me the last cycle but consider that there's multiple people thinking the same way. VE needs to die tomorrow if he's not dead after todays night post.
VE is mafia

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 20:18 GMT
#1868
On March 01 2012 05:09 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because I thought Jackal was the stranger hit and more likely to turn up Vig or third party.

But syllogism was blue. Remember the wbg mason thing? Wouldn't knowing who killed syllogism be a lot better given this?

I didn't know that at the beginning of the day that came lightyears after i sent in my target and got a result
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 20:20 GMT
#1869
On March 01 2012 05:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 05:09 Kurumi wrote:
On March 01 2012 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because I thought Jackal was the stranger hit and more likely to turn up Vig or third party.

But syllogism was blue. Remember the wbg mason thing? Wouldn't knowing who killed syllogism be a lot better given this?

I didn't know that at the beginning of the day that came lightyears after i sent in my target and got a result

Wait, are You getting a check this night? I am confused about Your role, is it only day or day and night?
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 20:22 GMT
#1870
I thought it was each day and each night but I was wrong about that, it's once per cycle which is the day/night combined

I checked Jackal at the start of the day as soon as I saw the post
RIP Aaliyah
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 20:58 GMT
#1871
On March 01 2012 05:10 Toadesstern wrote:
Yeah I'd say VE is mafia, wbg is probably mafia and therefore we should listen to wbg. Sounds funny, but it's my awesome plan that makes sense if you think about it:

WBG told me when I asked about VE to ignore VE if I don't know whats going to. Why should I ignore nullreads or people who are giving me different vibes? That's not what a townie should do imo...

Also WBG made a neat list yesterday. It consisted of prpl, VE and Toad (<--- That's me).
We should 100% lynch into that list because it probably has exactly one mafia in it. That mafia is VE.
Prpl already flipped green and if wbg is mafia he's not going to make a 3/3 townie list telling us to lynch into that, also WBG is the kind of player that talks about other mafia players. Look at AC's post game what Radfield said. Always mix up things. 2 townies 1 mafia sounds reasonable and I thought the one mafia is prpl but our lynch explained that situation.

Even if I'm wrong on wbg it's np because if wbg is town listening to him is not a bad talent toi have because he really wants to find mafia. I know I am not mafia. I know prpl is not mafia. Looking bad for VE either way.

Yes this is a little wifom but it's not the entire case. I have said VE looks pretty scummy from d1 on, was a little confused d2 because I didn't think he'd behave that way as mafia but what he said yesterday really gave him away.
If someone says something bad town-VE talks about it in a "normal" fashen. fosing a little, being a little agressive but in a normal fashion, not like wbg for example. Yesterday when I talked about that wifom about VE he suddenly jumped in the discussion telling me I'm wrong and that what I posted is not prove for VE being mafia (which I never said, I only thought it's pretty likely and I in reality I was talking about wbg's alignment the most time, VE was just a sidecomment).
That's the kind of action he does as mafia, being gentle like that. Look at AC, he did the same move with me on d3 after shooting 2 townies.
I asked "is someone scared to die? I am going to shoot tonight" and some people said stuff like "with your aim I am really scared" (think it was risk?) and that looked normal but out of nowhere VE waltzed in the thread saying something along the lines "no Toad, you don't suck! This is your time! Make the right decision" trying to gentle and to curry favour with me (<-- never used that term, according to dict.cc it's what I mean :p ). He did the same yesterday and it is an extreme mafia-VE-treat.

And that's just the "new" stuff. Still everything I said about him d1 and d2 hold. Still everything Layabout said about him holds. VE needs to be lynched tomorrow.

Fancy conclusion:
VE is mafia
WBG is probably mafia. Nevertheless lynching VE first is the better choice

I've been on his ass for all the time and I can see if you don't trust me given what DocH and WBG said about me the last cycle but consider that there's multiple people thinking the same way. VE needs to die tomorrow if he's not dead after todays night post.
VE is mafia



I said it wasn't proof of WBG being mafia - which you absolutely WERE saying Toad.

You're completely wrong - I'm not mafia. Your new stuff is ridiculous and isn't indicative of my alignment in the slightest. Your old stuff was equally nonsensical.

That being said, I'm with you in that I think WBG is acting scummy. But here's something to think about. WBG used the term 'mason'. If he's correct in that he was 'masoned' with syllogism, that means that they were made aware of each others' alignments when they were put into contact. If syllogism didn't immediately out WBG as scum, that leads me to believe that he's town.


if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 20:59 GMT
#1872
*If = Because
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 21:01 GMT
#1873
why should they know each others alignment?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 21:02 GMT
#1874
Because otherwise they would have been 'Neighbors', not 'Masons'
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 21:03 GMT
#1875
And honestly, we really only have WBG's word on that fact.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 21:05 GMT
#1876
To think about it, we really only have WBG's word on the whole event, aside from a simplified synopsis that could have been generated just from information inside the thread.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#1877
Unless I'm missing a link to the QT somewhere...which is probably not happening, so I'm not even considering it. But syllo did seem to have some kind of town read on WBG because I tried to get syllo to talk about Bugs a few times. He pretty much refused to comment each time.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 21:07 GMT
#1878
oh come one... everyone uses the term mason over here.
In AC people talker about masons although noone knew peoples alignment.
In L people talked about masons although noone knew peoples alignment.

If he had used the word neighbor that could have been a clue (a worthless one) but using the word mason doesn't mean anything.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#1879
I'm just saying - that's the standard use of the term. But it more closely resembles 'evidence' than anything you've provided AGAINST WBG.

Please Toad, I urge you to reconsider. I'm town. I think WBG is town playing like a dick.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 21:19 GMT
#1880
why are you using cursive font? Need to make sure you might be wrong on that one?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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