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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#1841
oh Dirkzor said something like that as well if I recall correctly, or the other way arround, I'm playing right now and not capable to check filters :p

Maybe it's not the people I mentioned but someone said what I just said :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
February 29 2012 01:15 GMT
#1842
Great, now I might actually have to be productive and hope you guys listen to me for a change. This is an odd time for a fresh start but I guess who am I to argue with fortune. However, don't expect me to be constantly active, I have shit to do and will try to get out analysis and thoughts when I can and have free time, but everything right now is erratic.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
February 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#1843
ebwop: In my life as far as consistency for scheduling goes.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
February 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#1844
On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 07:13 Dirkzor wrote:
Okay now you're just sprouting non-sense. Why waste a Vig on me... you almost got WBG convinced to lynch me today... Why not just lynch me tomorrow..

Vigs: Shoot DrH.

Save time, shoot you tonight and lynch BC tomorrow



Would love to see your new reasons for this. I have yet to see anyone post a decent analysis of why I should be lynched this game. As a note I also can't defend myself if no case is presented aside from "lynch this guy".

On February 29 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:


BC, I'll respond to your post soon. I have to say though, calling me out for lack of contribution is...guy it's fucking offensive coming from you this game. Yes, I disappeared for 2 days. Yes, I got excited after my case on WBG and ignored the other people I said I'd look into. When these things become indicative of me pushing an agenda, you go ahead and push me for lynch - until then, I suggest you get in here and look for actual scum.
.


My intention wasn't to be offensive. It was merely that you called people out for things that you were also guilty of. Are your levels of inactivity as high as a ton of players in this game (myself included on that list) no, however mentioning that you were guilty of to a degree what you were calling people out for is required in my eyes. You're contributions you have made have been cases on people but none of those people have been lynched. In one case you voted for a player who to my knowledge you never made a case on. If you took it offensively I am sorry, but when I see scummy play in forms I call it out. As for looking for scum, I did not see at any point in time prpl pushing pro town ideals and saw him sheeping others hardcore along with other issues. Did he flip town? Yes, which sucks massive dick, however he was playing so bad he looked scum.

On February 29 2012 00:07 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 23:56 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to cut in here.

Why are we only looking for 3 scum?

Who would bus who day1 and appear on who's voting list?

What?

Because redFF was scum.
WBG would bus redFF.
Hey BC, how was it being the second in the lynch race D1? Would they cover up Your body?


Sucked massive goat dick. As for if mafia would cover up my body (if they have said role which seems likely based on continued flips since that post), I would take a gander at saying yes as it would waste the entire days worth of discussion and thus put us in a similar spot day 2 where it felt like day 1 all over again. I have no way of confirming if mafia would or would not actually cover my flip but it seems likely whichever person was lynched day 1 was most likely having that happen given redff not flipping. This is of course reliant on a role being used and not some weird wtf bit with redff's role not flipping for other reasons.
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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 29 2012 08:48 GMT
#1845
On February 29 2012 10:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Great, now I might actually have to be productive and hope you guys listen to me for a change. This is an odd time for a fresh start but I guess who am I to argue with fortune. However, don't expect me to be constantly active, I have shit to do and will try to get out analysis and thoughts when I can and have free time, but everything right now is erratic.


Noone cares.
Play the game or get replaced.

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 15:55 GMT
#1846
I actually got the best plan ever

1. See if someone out of wbg / VE / RoL dies
2. Lynch whoever still stands
3. ...
4. profit

Best. Plan. Ever. See you at deadline, will explain :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 29 2012 16:27 GMT
#1847
Better plan:

1. See you dies.
2. Lynch any who remain.
3. ????
4. more ???
5. Profit.

Will not explain later
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 17:31 GMT
#1848
I will post my notes from the spreadsheet because it's highly likely I'll die.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 17:44 GMT
#1849
I think I'm dead by tomorrow as well
Will you explain your why you said DocH is a liar as well? I got a weird feeling about it and can't put my finger on it.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 17:46 GMT
#1850
On March 01 2012 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:
I think I'm dead by tomorrow as well
Will you explain your why you said DocH is a liar as well? I got a weird feeling about it and can't put my finger on it.

He was trying to lure the vigilante out. Why? Don't ask me. Also timing of his claim is so bad that the only thing it achieved is bringing him to scum attention.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 18:13 GMT
#1851
Scum:
wherebugsgo/DrH
redFF
any lurker
one of semi active players, VE/Toad

There's probably Veteran present. I have my guess.
There is a Vigilante. Salute.
There's probably 3rd party present. I have my guess, it might be a passive/set up type one (Arsonist is an example)
2 blues flipped already. I strongly believe that there at least 2 more, making it 4 blues.
Scum had one-shot Janitor, probably a trade-off for no KP. I believe they have 1KP. Maybe their Godfather could either get normal role (appear as a role) or one shot Janitor for KP? With 1KP, faking anything would be horribly hard and inefficent, so the choice could be obvious.
Coroner is most likely absent or still hidden. We had one weird coroner-like claim yesterday, but I wouldn't trust it. Killing Jackal as Mafia does not make sense. Why not double stack BloodyC0bbler? Wherebugsgo? DoctoHelvetica? That's why I think Mafia has 1KP.
We had no roleblock claims yet. It might mean couple of things:
Roleblocker is absent from the game.
Mafia is roleblocking people they are killing. This would probably mean rbing Syllo, but WBG said he gave his potion to someone else? Jackal? (This might mean scum has 2 KP but..)
Blues are handicapped. Syllogism was basically a delayed medic and Blazinghand's nerf was basically balancing, so he couldn't confirm his role through just using it.
Looks like there's some kind of recruiter mason. The unique views is most likely Mason-Palmar-Syllogism-Wherebugsgo (he said it was 4) He is made in some kind of weird way that one can't confirm oneself.
Also this game looks really similar to Ace's Closed Casket I linked earlier.
That game had 4 scum with 1KP, everyone of them had a power.
Passive Janitor
Lawyer(make scum show up as Town)
Doctor
Roleblocker who couldn't rb every night.
There were 8 town roles.
Forensics Scientist (basically Coroner)
JOAT (with Mimic ability, making JOAT use one's ability on himself or something similar)
2 Night Vigilantes
Cop (probably just DT, dunno)
Medic who couldn't heal same person twice in a row
Virgin (lynch and the next night no town dies)
Recruiter Mason
This game is going to end around Day ~5-7 most likely.
Kurumi out.

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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 29 2012 18:27 GMT
#1852
read half your post so far but there are no notifications in this game

You won't get notified when you protected someone from a hit as medic, you won't get notified when you got roleblocked, you won't get notified when taking a hit as vet. That's why there's no RB-claims.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#1853
On March 01 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:
read half your post so far but there are no notifications in this game

You won't get notified when you protected someone from a hit as medic, you won't get notified when you got roleblocked, you won't get notified when taking a hit as vet. That's why there's no RB-claims.

That means we might have a Town Roleblocker then...
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:23 GMT
#1854
@Kurumi
You didn't mention anything about me lying about my role other than some WIFOM thing that scum wouldn't hit Jackal? That's BS. As far as the mason role I'm not sure how it worked with WBG but last night I got a "phonecall" and a link to a quicktopic. Nobody posted in the quicktopic. I believe that I was masoned that night with syllogism or jackal who died and were thus unable to respond in the QT. If it was a recruiter mason I would be able to talk to that mason or to WBG who had already been recruited. Palmar posted in the QT as well and there are only 2 unique views meaning nobody even looked at it. I think this implies there is a role that instead chooses 2 people (maybe you cant choose yourself) and allows them to then communicate privately. Phone Operator? Something like that.

I was wrong about my role, I can't find out what team hit syllogism until the beginning of the next day. I misinterpreted "cycle" to mean once each day and night but cycle I guess is day and night together. Your reads are pretty off Kurumi and I'd like to see you actually. support them. I'll check the strangest kill, it isn't too far to assume Syllo was hit by scum. Syllo's case on BC, if BC is scum, makes him a good hit and I know syllo is dangerous with his reads later in the game. Scum might have wanted to get him out of the way either way but because he was expressing disinterest in playing in the game by day 2 I imagine his Day 1 reads were pretty important in selecting him as a hit.

I'll be rereading BC's filter because until I do the reading it's just a hunch but essentially I'm feeling that BC/Dirkzor have been the source of each days mislynch, I have been conned into second guessing myself each day this is the kind of play I did in Insane Mafia where my initial reads were 4/6 of the mafia team on Day 1 and I ended up hitting nothing.

I believe that the BH wagon on Day 1 was meant to keep the BC lynch from gaining enough steam to lynch him. Blazinghand and Prplhz were respectively the worst players in this game and very easy to lynch. I got a much stronger scum read from prplhz than I did from BH personally, but nobody was voting on Toad or Dirk with me by the time the end of the cycle was close.

BC pressured and laid the ground work for the mislynches that other people took over. He isn't being very active and his posting style is reminding me of what little I remember of being scum with him in one of BrownBear's games where we achieved perfect victory over town.

I'm jumping back and forth on RoL and WBG being scum. I've agreed with a lot of what WBG has been saying recently, but I get an uncomfortable vibe from him. I really think his Day 1 play was pretty scummy and I know he's the kind of player to be a lone wolf on a scumteam and kinda go in opposition to the other players in the thread to keep a safe distance. RoL's saving vote is very suspect. He doesn't care about this game, he's even conceded that we should just kill him and he doesn't care. If he doesn't care about being killed why even vote to save yourself from a modkill? If he's scum he has way more incentive to help his team (especially if he is already doing so behind the scenes) than a townie who just "Gives up" would have. That strikes me as a bit strange. Hopefully we get a positive vig or DT read today.

I think Kurumi, BC, Dirkzor are scum. One of WBG/VE and somebody inactive seems likely to me. RoL has yet to jump on the kind of super pro-town/wishy washy stuff he usually does but his professed lack of interest and time seems genuine to me. Just the fact that he saved himself seems odd considering his attitude.
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 19:38 GMT
#1855
Aren't You scared, DoctorHelvetica?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 29 2012 19:41 GMT
#1856
DrH, why give RoL a free pass if he is voting 2 minutes before the deadline when it is impossible to switch to him? He had a full 48 hours to place his vote, yet chose to make it at the last moment possible to keep himself from harm. Your defense of him confuses me.

I agree bugs and BC should be looked into if RoL turns up dead.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:44 GMT
#1857
On March 01 2012 04:38 Kurumi wrote:
Aren't You scared, DoctorHelvetica?

Great response, that answers all of my questions
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:44 GMT
#1858
On March 01 2012 04:41 kitaman27 wrote:
DrH, why give RoL a free pass if he is voting 2 minutes before the deadline when it is impossible to switch to him? He had a full 48 hours to place his vote, yet chose to make it at the last moment possible to keep himself from harm. Your defense of him confuses me.

I agree bugs and BC should be looked into if RoL turns up dead.


That's exactly the thing I find to be most suspicious though
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 29 2012 19:48 GMT
#1859
Why don't you just answer my questions and respond reasonably instead of trying to get under my skin, that's how scum would deal with me anyway

Why do you think I'm lying about my role? Why are you spending time speculating on the setup instead of actually making cases on the people you say are scum? You're not doing anything except saying "these people are scum", so far you haven't provided any convincing reason for anyone to agree with your reads. If responding to being called scum or asking you to support your read is evidence of being really scared or is somehow scummy then I'd love to hear you explain why that is
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 29 2012 19:49 GMT
#1860
I am happy DrH that we agree that scum has one active player, one semi active player and one lurking player. If I would to choose, active player would be Wherebugsgo. He defended redFF with a terrible argument (he might be either bad town or bad scum, better leave him!), semi active is where I sit together with people like Cwave(risk) Toad and VE. Lurking is most likely RoL.
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