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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:17 GMT
#661
On February 23 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 21 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On February 21 2012 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 21 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On February 21 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 21 2012 11:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58


I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane.

Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles.

Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned.

as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row.


/salute

What are your thoughts on redFF BC? I'm almost convinced that he's just bad and not scum, but I'd like your thoughts before I act on it.


Honestly I think he may be suffering from something like a bat to the back of the head. That or a level of arrogance unseen since showtime. As it stands now short of recommending a terrible idea and being a retarded troll (which is a smiteworthy offense if he keeps it up) I see him more as someone to mock / ignore than take seriously. I know I am moderately guilty of this via my last few posts, however anyone continuing the trend of useless discussion / just trading insults with redff are most likely not playing with town interests in heart. There are a few players already guilty of this obviously.

I am currently more intrigued at the people who have let policy discussion run so damn rampant for even this short a duration of a game who (in my mind) should know better.


Come on guy....COME ON. You know what I'm asking. Do you think he's scum?

Also, I thought we were well beyond policy-discussion - I've put forth a scum-candidate and several people have joined the wagon (with little to no reasoning)....and some (and by some I mean WBG) have even gone on to defend him - citing meta resources that point to badTownRedFF. I mean, did you miss all this in reading? Why are you trying to color this all as policy discussion? What's up yo?


its what? 5 hours into the day? I would like to believe redff isn't this horrendous as scum to be caught this quickly. However that is wifom with someone of his experience. The only read I have on him as of now is Bad. Bad town or bad mafia. Hell, I think chaoser is also bad for defending posting town reads as a viable move at this stage in the game. It is only at all useful if people are posting clear scum reads along with clear town reads to make them fully accountable rather than "contributing" without doing much.

As for coloring it up to policy discussion, the main point you first raised (I will re-read to see what your entire argument is in exact detail so i stress the first point i saw) was his push on tyrran via policy of being bad. Factor in the mass level of general annoyance with him via his recent behaviour outside of game it is not outside the realms of possibility people are "policy" pushing him based on him being a total wad.


I'm mulling over this post.

The first thing I noticed about it is that it still doesn't answer my question. I mean, yeah. Okay. I get it. It's early in the game. But you don't even have a read on the guy? Regardless of the fact that he has almost 25% of the posts since the game started? I realize that's a gross exaggeration, but you see what I'm getting at - you should have more of a read on him than "bad" in my opinion.

The next thing I noticed is that you respond to my soft accusation of you coloring the discussion surrounding red as 'policy discussion' by boiling down the argument against him I've made to "his push on tyrran via policy is bad". I get that he's kinda a tool outside this thread, but my argument has to do with his actions/decisions in THIS thread. If anyone is voting for him on policy based on his behavior out-of-thread, that's their thing...but that's absolutely not why I'm voting for him, and that's absolutely not what the discussion for the last few pages has been about. Is it possible that people are voting him on policy? Sure I guess. Has that been the subject of discussion, like, ever? Not so much. This is why I said you "colored" the discussion recently as "policy discussion"...because by my estimation, we've been talking about lynching red because he's scum, and you come in and say "why are we still talking about policy-lynch?"

I mean, am I missing something here?


No BH. This has nothing to do with him being uncharismatic or mad for no reason...at least for me. BC came right out of the gates with scumminess.


1) you quoted the wrong guy
2) i meant to say "uncharacteristic" but autocorrect is an ass
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 22 2012 21:18 GMT
#662
@Toades

Have some balls. A big reason scum lost Insane Mafia was because I was scared to go after Ace not because he put up a convincing argument, but because I was intimidated by his stature and felt like no one would listen to me. Since then I've vowed not to let somebodies prestige or whatever influence my thoughts on them.

@layabout
I have an odd feeling about VE, but the way he's jumping around just seems like bad town to me. Second guessing himself and not really sure where to go, I understand this type of play because it's something I've done a lot as town. I'll read his filter in more detail, there are a few things in your analysis where you're kind of filling in the blanks. Changing your mind or losing confidence in a read isn't particularly scummy, it's fairly normal for town players to do. A town player doesn't have the implicit guilt that a mafia player has and might not feel the need to tell the town about every change in thought or doubt that goes on in their mind.

Consider this. If VE was scum, trying to get redFF lynched initially as he did, why would he then throw doubt onto it? The bandwagon was gaining momentum and it would have been very easy to just stay quiet and let the lynch happen, or keep throwing suspicion onto redFF while hedging your bets just a tiny bit.

In fact this sentence
VE really didn't think that redFF looked scummy but was still willing to try to start a bandwagon


Actually implies that you know he is town. If he was scum, he doesn't "think" redFF looks scummy or not, any fake scum wagon is done under the knowledge that a player is not scum. Considering how many other people at the time and still think redFF was/is scum, VE's actual opinion on the validity of the arguments is irrelevant because the bandwagon would succeed anyhow, he would just have to put up a little bit of pressure. VE even says, in the posts you quoted, the specific thing that made him doubt that redFF was scum even though he initially believed him to be. None of these things make VE seem more or less town to me, but by using your logic your accusations don't make sense.

Other than that, I strongly agree with most of your points particularly this one referring to VE unFoSing Red for pointing out RoL's inactivity.

That was what it took to remove redFF from VE's lynch list. Simply pointing out that another player had not been posting. That action is alignment neutral and is it is absurd that that could be enough to convince VE that a player he spent a lot of time calling "anti-town" and "scum" and analysing would not be worth lynching


VE, you need to respond to this. Why are you so quickly dumping your own reads?
RIP Aaliyah
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 22 2012 21:19 GMT
#663
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

BC didn't argue with me?????
Life can only kill you once.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 22 2012 21:20 GMT
#664
On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here

Go find a retard.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#665
On February 23 2012 06:20 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here

Go find a retard.


ah yes you're right, in the next 40 minutes you're gonna get all the votes you need to lynch me, you're being SO USEFUL right now
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#666
Its not like the BC wagon is forming quickly. Scum voting for RedFF can just sit there and hope 7 votes are enough to hang RedFF.

And to be precise we have 3 wagons.

RedFF
Bloodyc0bble
-------------->Blazinghand <--------------

RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum.

Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch.

Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#667
Look dude currently BC or redFF is gonna get lynched, pick whichever one is scummier and vote him
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:22 GMT
#668
On February 23 2012 06:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him.


Really you're making a meta argument against a guy who's been playing for 2 months, that's your story and you're sticking with that?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 22 2012 21:22 GMT
#669
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#670
On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?


goddamn it's like anything I do everyone's like "oh hey BH isn't acting normal" well you can go eat a dick
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#671
Also in the middle post everything after the smiley is a joke, in case your autism filter is turned on to full blast atm
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#672
On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?

Yessir.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#673
On February 23 2012 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Also in the middle post everything after the smiley is a joke, in case your autism filter is turned on to full blast atm

You don't play a very good Bugs man.
Life can only kill you once.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#674
On February 23 2012 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?


goddamn it's like anything I do everyone's like "oh hey BH isn't acting normal" well you can go eat a dick


well yeah you posted a list (my first quote) which really looked like "really? That's all you got and and the reason you want to lynch BC?" went on to "whatevs, voting time" and next thing "gogo vote BC". You've got to agree that that looks weird don't you?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 22 2012 21:25 GMT
#675
On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?


It's like I'm playing with Coagulation all over again. They're obnoxious but this kind of playstyle is hard to get any read from other than "annoying". The only thing that worries me is that BH seemingly hasn't contributed a single original thought or point despite posting prolifically.
RIP Aaliyah
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 22 2012 21:25 GMT
#676
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 22 2012 21:25 GMT
#677
Do we have enough to swing a BH lynch?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 22 2012 21:25 GMT
#678
I agree with Toadesstern and Jackal58 on Blazinghand.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25563 Posts
February 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#679
On February 23 2012 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
So the case on BC is

All he's basically done is argue with jackal
He's mad for no reason
he jumped on the redFF wagon
he hasn't been helpful
He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else
Layabout doesn't want to get shot

and this is more convincing than the case against redFF>

On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight

On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here


Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling?


It's like I'm playing with Coagulation all over again. They're obnoxious but this kind of playstyle is hard to get any read from other than "annoying". The only thing that worries me is that BH seemingly hasn't contributed a single original thought or point despite posting prolifically.


This is actually the first legitimate criticism of my play all game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#680
On February 23 2012 06:25 prplhz wrote:
I agree with Toadesstern and Jackal58 on Blazinghand.

Thanks for letting us know
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