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On March 03 2012 09:09 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Kita,
I want to finish the question I had before thst I never got around to finishing. Why did you have me so high up on your list? I could understand protecting toad, but why was I so high up.
the answer to this is that, despite the fact that you've done jack shit all game, kita knows you're town because he's scum.
good thing is we also now know you're town.
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That's cool bro. Also, despite the fact that even though you have ten pages plus on me in length of filter, we have contributed the same.
Oh shit, I'm wrong. You've been much more successful in killing discussion. Real pro town, jackass.
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you should be glad I'm even still here, given how fucking horrible this town is.
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Okay, one insult too many. I was trying to give you a chance, trying to understand the claim. I think I'll just go with my gut instead and say I was right all along and that you're fucking scum. Perhaps next game, you can tone down the bullshit abrasiveness. If I of all people can finger you D1, your play isn't good enough to warrant the arrogance you display every game.
Christ, it's like I'm wearing a sign that says "It's okay to be a total douchebag to me!" It's fucking not guys, it's not okay.
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I should be glad, because if I for some reason sheeted your latest lynch, we might not even be here talking about it.
Right bro?
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nah I'm just mad that kita can display total knowledge of a scum role and then actually manage to get away withit.
gg, town loses when I get lynched. sorry for my bad play. probably should've trolled harder, that was the only time people listened to me.
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kitaman27
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On March 03 2012 09:09 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Kita,
I want to finish the question I had before thst I never got around to finishing. Why did you have me so high up on your list? I could understand protecting toad, but why was I so high up.
You were looking for scum slips like toad's "With this stacked of a set-up" post and had a general protown attitude calling chaoser out for his luke warm posts, for example. The difference between the top spot and the eight spot was pretty arbitrary. I can't say I had a real strong feeling one way or the other until today's events.
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On March 03 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
nah I'm just mad that kita can display total knowledge of a scum role and then actually manage to get away withit.
gg, town loses when I get lynched. sorry for my bad play. probably should've trolled harder, that was the only time people listened to me.
Where have I heard this before? Hmmmmmm......OH YEAH
On March 03 2012 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol just turned laptop on form work. gg guys way to blow the game exactly as I predicted two days ago.
Clearly that tactic didn't work with RoL. Who knows though, maybe you'll get lucky Bugs?
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kitaman27
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If anyone has a kp role or a role that may result in their death, I suggest not submitting an action tonight. We can win this with a straight lynch down the line. The last thing we need is a busdriver or something redirecting a hit and ending the game.
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At least we don't have to worry about Toad misfiring tonight, AMIRITE? 
I kid, I kid...you're still a bro Toad.
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sorry; I don't mean to be negative but I'm not ragequitting.
On March 03 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
nah I'm just mad that kita can display total knowledge of a scum role and then actually manage to get away withit.
gg, town loses when I get lynched. sorry for my bad play. probably should've trolled harder, that was the only time people listened to me. Where have I heard this before? Hmmmmmm......OH YEAH Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol just turned laptop on form work. gg guys way to blow the game exactly as I predicted two days ago. Clearly that tactic didn't work with RoL. Who knows though, maybe you'll get lucky Bugs?
I'm not ragequitting, I'm just leaving for the night because there's nothing more I can do right now. I can reread all I want but I'm not the one that needs convincing.
it's nightphase and there's no point in me continuing to try to bash my head against a brick wall.
The evidence is there if you're town and you want to look at it. Kita on day 1 hinted at the existence of a poisoner; lo and behold poisoner is the first mafia role to flip.
Kita rolefishes for a protection role after basically claiming what I claimed to him in the QT, minus the doctor.
In addition, just ask yourself: why would syllo consider me town, town enough to give me a potion? why would I consider kita near-confirmed? why would I bother explaining anything of what I said?
Something to ponder: why have you not asked me why syllo would give me a potion if he knew I was weak doctor? (that's something I think a townie would want to know the answer to)
Why would I hold back on the roleclaim on d3? I was in a position where I thought you were scum on d3. I thought I had you trapped in that you were pursuing the most easily confirmable town role in the game. And then I realized scum could read everything I was writing and went "oh shit I shouldn't claim now bc I'll just be rb'ed." Ofc it didn't matter, scum knew based on what I was saying that I had some sort of role.
at any rate, I'm mostly mad at myself for basically committing XLV-level play all over again. This game has been exceedingly frustrating to deal with because the discussion has been poor and the results (up till today) have been unforgiving. syllo seemed very unmotivated to me when we were speaking and that did nothing to help because even the best townie didn't care about the outcome. This is also why I've been forgiving to players like BC and RoL, who have been completely absent. I disagree with you that BC is top-notch town, but I've agreed with everything he's said all game (what little of it, anyway.) When people are playing at this level, there's no motivation to post. The only motivation is the self-motivation to win. That's why I post. Maybe BC doesn't have that.
I care about whether we win or not, and scum are doing really well even if RoL was completely useless. We are not doing as well, and we cannot afford to lynch another townie.
However, there is an easy solution to tomorrow and if I'm right (for once) then tomorrow will be easy and there won't be anything to explain. We'll see after the nightpost, as I'm 100% sure I will live tonight.
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On March 03 2012 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote:sorry; I don't mean to be negative but I'm not ragequitting. Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 03 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
nah I'm just mad that kita can display total knowledge of a scum role and then actually manage to get away withit.
gg, town loses when I get lynched. sorry for my bad play. probably should've trolled harder, that was the only time people listened to me. Where have I heard this before? Hmmmmmm......OH YEAH On March 03 2012 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol just turned laptop on form work. gg guys way to blow the game exactly as I predicted two days ago. Clearly that tactic didn't work with RoL. Who knows though, maybe you'll get lucky Bugs? I'm not ragequitting, I'm just leaving for the night because there's nothing more I can do right now. I can reread all I want but I'm not the one that needs convincing. it's nightphase and there's no point in me continuing to try to bash my head against a brick wall. The evidence is there if you're town and you want to look at it. Kita on day 1 hinted at the existence of a poisoner; lo and behold poisoner is the first mafia role to flip. Kita rolefishes for a protection role after basically claiming what I claimed to him in the QT, minus the doctor. In addition, just ask yourself: why would syllo consider me town, town enough to give me a potion? why would I consider kita near-confirmed? why would I bother explaining anything of what I said? Something to ponder: why have you not asked me why syllo would give me a potion if he knew I was weak doctor? (that's something I think a townie would want to know the answer to) Why would I hold back on the roleclaim on d3? I was in a position where I thought you were scum on d3. I thought I had you trapped in that you were pursuing the most easily confirmable town role in the game. And then I realized scum could read everything I was writing and went "oh shit I shouldn't claim now bc I'll just be rb'ed." Ofc it didn't matter, scum knew based on what I was saying that I had some sort of role. at any rate, I'm mostly mad at myself for basically committing XLV-level play all over again. This game has been exceedingly frustrating to deal with because the discussion has been poor and the results (up till today) have been unforgiving. syllo seemed very unmotivated to me when we were speaking and that did nothing to help because even the best townie didn't care about the outcome. This is also why I've been forgiving to players like BC and RoL, who have been completely absent. I disagree with you that BC is top-notch town, but I've agreed with everything he's said all game (what little of it, anyway.) When people are playing at this level, there's no motivation to post. The only motivation is the self-motivation to win. That's why I post. Maybe BC doesn't have that. I care about whether we win or not, and scum are doing really well even if RoL was completely useless. We are not doing as well, and we cannot afford to lynch another townie. However, there is an easy solution to tomorrow and if I'm right (for once) then tomorrow will be easy and there won't be anything to explain. We'll see after the nightpost, as I'm 100% sure I will live tonight.
So you think scum are doing well huh?
By your estimation, Kitaman has basically confirmed himself as scum right? RoL just died. Either layabout or Tyrran (presumably) are scum by way of counter-claim. It seems to me that scum are doing really poorly no? Why don't you explain that statement in a way that doesn't come off as fear-mongering? While it's true that town hasn't lynched scum until today, that is in no way due to 'scum doing really well' in my opinion.
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In fact, based on RoL's flip - I'd venture to say that scum are playing extremely poorly. Like, VE in Hammer-level poorly.
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either layabout or Tyrran is scum, yes.
But based on the fact that I almost considered kita confirmed scum, that means yes, scum are doing well. Even if kita dies tomorrow and the scum between layabout+tyrran dies the day afterward (or the other way around, it doesn't matter), we still have another scum to kill, unless redFF was that fourth scum all along.
So yes, I'd say that scum are in a better position than town right now. Lynching kita won't be easy because no one is going to want to listen to me.
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Where are you at on BC bugs? BC was one of four people on the Toadesstern lynch. What do you think about that dude?
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On March 03 2012 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Where are you at on BC bugs? BC was one of four people on the Toadesstern lynch. What do you think about that dude?
I haven't found anything I have disagreed with in what BC has said. Apart from him calling kita scummy I didn't find anything strange in what he posted in his vote post on Toad, and the only reason I found that strange was because at the time I believed kita to be near 100% confirmed town.
The only thing I don't like about BC is that he's been inactive as hell, but as he's explained that and as I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game, I think it's understandable he has no motivation to post.
Yes, BC was voting Toad but so was I. Indeed Toad very well could still be scum, because there is at least one scum still alive beyond kita and the one scum between layabout/Tyrran.
At this point I find it odd that my strongest town read is you. Things change fast.
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Anyone saying kita is potentially scum is not in the total wrong. I say this because of up until the this past day he did not actually perform in any way that helped town. I say this for similar reasons anyone here could point at me for being potentially scum. Not contributing from either of us. Yes he did in fact push RoL today, however, that does in no way clear him at all. Why do I say this? Because in the case he is red he has just single handedly won the game for his team. Also, RoL was on near everyone's scumlist at some point throughout this game yet he never died till actively harassed now.
Someone coming out on the most critical day of a game and claiming a dt role (he claims he dies if he checks red, but aside from day 1 he never once helped town by making similar posts or crumbs). Instead he opts to sit back and for the most part never contributes. (again i am guilty of this).
He actively asks mafia in thread to put him out of his misery in regards to this game. This is not the behaviour of someone who has town interests at heart, he has not crumbed any of his checks aside from day 1 check which is again not very helpful, he has also claimed a role that not only would confirm townies but out mafia at the cost of just himself. Rather than continuing to aid the town all game he instead comes out when its mylo and "confirming himself" This same guy who miscounted # of town players in this game, and the same guy who apparently miscounted votes as well. He did push RoL lynch and RoL did flip red but this to me is not indicative of his alignment, nor imo of the alignment of anyone on the RoL wagon. Why? Simple. RoL would have been dead weight at this point in time in terms of how he has played all game. There would have been no feasible way for mafia to have kept him alive all game and thus pushing him now at mylo would be the best time to ever do so. It would insta get town cred for near all of members who voted him, as well as damn anyone who did not.
Given the circumstances of this game I honestly felt that RoL was in a similar position to mine which was total lack of motivation combined with work / school taking up time. This game has honestly felt exactly like pick your power 3 did for me. Reading near every post in this game aside from random gems has been painful and downright demoralizing. A player like toad could be town, however has played so badly he seems scum. A player like VE who is generally considered horrible is making more sense than most people. Well known players who are expected to perform well spend the entire game waffling around or calling themselves bad, newbies don't post, people actively trolling the game, etc... All the scummiest people I have had on my radar have had a hidden flip, and two townies. Towns playing at a level that makes them indistinguishable from scum is something I don't ever want to play in. Especially given that if I am repeatedly wrong much like I have been thus far I will get lynched or night shot by a vig for it. Factor all that in there is 0 motivation to use my free time for the most part in this game.
The only reason I am speaking out at all right now is purely because town can potentially save itself from itself and needs to take everything into perspective. I am not telling you to believe me when I say I am town, I merely can say it and hope you will. However keep in mind that the behaviour I have shown is near identical to at least one other player thus far this game who claimed one of the most pro town roles I have heard of in recent months and opted to be a total apathetic person to town. When all you have to do is post at the end of a cycle "if I die x is red" or the like with such little effort, why would you not?
I finish a 9 day work streak tommorrow sometime in the afternoon which will end my 50ish hour work week. If the town keeps playing as it has this past game day I will be active for as long as It is decided I will be allowed to survive. If it falls back into the previous playstyle of the more recent days I make no promises to be active however.
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On March 03 2012 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
The only thing I don't like about BC is that he's been inactive as hell, but as he's explained that and as I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game, I think it's understandable he has no motivation to post.
GOD QUIT SAYING SCUMMY THINGS
Saying shit like "I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game" is scummy as fuck bugs. Like, why? Why do you think it's okay to sign up for a game only to lose interest when people herp and derp around? THAT'S A FUCKING GIVEN IN THIS GAME! The community is growing, meaning we have a lot of new players who don't know what is and isn't indicative of alignment, and saying something like this only serves to breed apathy among the newer players, MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE, NOT BETTER.
Apathy is NOT OKAY guys! Scum are NOT just going to tell us who they are, we have to KEEP TRYING NO MATTER HOW HOPELESS. Or give up. Does anyone just want to GIVE the game to scum? I don't.
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Thanks for your thoughts bugs. I'm sure they'll be further illuminating come dawn.
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