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On January 31 2012 18:05 Toadesstern wrote: oh and I'm going to use wbg as a random vote everytime I'm unsure who to vote for :p bring it on, Pimmelzwerg | ||
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On February 06 2012 15:58 Katina wrote: As Bill Murray said, I merely bring forth statements of factual information. whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash? | ||
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ily all much love got quantum now byebye | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: mh I can't find something that's standing out in dr h's filter. He does talk a lot about batman and isn't really talking about anything else. That's obviously very easy for mafia to do and he could easily look towny / not lurky doing so without posting "wrong" things. But we got that a lot right now. He's a null for me right now. Please tell me how this makes sense: "I see nothing in Dr. H's filter" "except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do" "but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null" da fak On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now. I can't help it (I can't even explain it) but I just don't get the same "stubborn" read on palmar that I had on him last game but that might as well be him getting used to this situation and therefore he might not be as emotional as last few games. So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak? On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: Needledickthebugfucker (yeah totally going to use that one Jackal :p ), why are you requesting me to do analyses? I thought you think I'm useless not to begin with the fact that you haven't done shit yourself? I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit. ##vote Toadesstern gonna read what I missed now, be back soon. | ||
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You are proving so far to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. | ||
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rgTheScum On February 07 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Before proceeding, I have encountered Kenpachi in Mafia L. He did not claim townie at the start. This is wrong. Can't tell if it's a lie or just straight up retardedness, but this is plain wrong. On January 14 2012 07:22 Kenpachi wrote: game started: a million pages. hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=39#769 On February 06 2012 22:51 -_-Quails wrote: Did you read the rest of that post? For your benefit: Explicit reasons: Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do. Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious. Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia Please explain what you're meaning about quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia. [/quote] I did not recycle any Sheth opinions, except from the fact that I think that VT claiming is bad. I provided my own arguments in that as blue it would make no sense, he sticks out and if he's scum he has a high chance of being the GF, thus the utility of the claim. Plus, he knows his own meta well, so why not do this?. He'll be overlooked, then DT's will perhaps check him if they read the thread closely. You think that claiming VT is bad. Explain how claiming VT is indicative of alignment (more specifically, indicative of being scum?) I like how you are heavily casting suspicion on Kenpachi but at no point do you actually say that claiming VT is scummy, you call it "bad" and then claim that if he's gf it's somehow advantageous for him to claim vt. if he was GF why would he bring attention to himself day 1 by claiming? You can actually construct any sort of conclusion you want from the information you're using. The fact that you're selectively only choosing the scum possibility is indicative of a stretched argument. You're stretching hard to try and say kenpachi is scum when your only reasoning is that he claimed VT. Now, you Mr, you first stealthvote, to bolster a wagon. Definitively not random, and not on a lurker. That smells red. Then you basically sheep after CC, who said what you state ages before you. You give Objective/Subjective sides, yet they differ in 1, 1 single statement: Schworz reacted in a way that raised my hackles. USELESS You are trying to hide, you are trying to look like you contribute without doing so. You, sir are Scum this is irony in its true form. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: WHAAAAAAT??. No contradiction buddy, Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden. What? Your "let me explain better" is still just regurgitated trash. How is an auto-green claim on day 1 suboptimal for a blue? Or a green? Or anyone for that matter? You never say how Kenpachi auto-claiming green is in any way indicative of his alignment. Literally anyone can do what he does How does that make what he did good or bad, regardless of alignment or role? Most importantly, how does it make him likely to be scum? On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think WOW that's insightful. He's either green or scum guys! On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green? What in the fuck? If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. jesus. To all of us, it's not alignment/role indicative. He could be anything, yet you think he's scum just because you wouldn't do what he did. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Either way, Town has to lose from his claim. Really? You keep fear mongering with this shit, but at no point do you explain. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate. You're not advocating his immediate lynch because: 1. you're scum 2. you already know his alignment because of #1 and 3. because of 1 and 2, you're scared shitless to actually push what you know is a terrible case to fruition because you will receive suspicion if kenpachi is lynched. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman I have yet to see this justification. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead? He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt. He'll manhunt Didn't you JUST say we're wasting time discussing batman? On February 06 2012 17:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Scum know that he's not lying . We can't know that. It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going. you didn't "randomly" vote kenpachi at all. You voted kenpachi because he was an easy vote based on him claiming town. You know that if you receive pressure for voting kenpachi you can claim it was just pressure and then change your vote with no real consequence later because "it wasn't serious; it was random" So then why bother to try and call kenpachi scum if your vote is random? Your vote wasn't random at all. It was poorly calculated, sure, but you thought you could get away with it. On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: . Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : Kenpachi Also ##Unvote Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post This is the post that made me LOL really hard. So, you continue with the "it was a random vote lul" shit and then put a FoS on kenpachi after voting him, then unvote him in the same post (the fuck?). You say your own vote was random, contrary to what other people believe...has anyone else actually even said anything about it yet? And lastly, you say your point was to stop people from discussing setup talking. Really? So you admit it wasn't to catch scum? You have no vested interest in catching scum. Stopping setup talk is not a priority unless you are actively pushing the discussion in a direction that favors scumhunting. Instead, you're just trying to look town by saying "we need to stop talking about batman" after other people have already said it 100 times. At no point do you actually scumhunt, despite at first pretending like you were scumhunting. The funniest part about all of this is that you actually pretended to scumhunt at first, and then as it was clear that some people were saying "stop talking about batman/the setup" you jump on that wagon and claim your vote was "random" and its sole purpose was to stop 'needless setup discussion." rg needs to die. READ HIS POSTS PEOPLE. ##unvote ##vote rgTheSchworz Additionally: On February 07 2012 11:17 Radfield wrote: Bugs, I thought you wanted to talk about DocH(who looks fine and is certainly not on the table for today) and katina. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: yo pimmelz when i get out og class i better see some thoughts on dr h and katina kk? ily all much love got quantum now byebye What did you honestly expect people to write about katina? __ I somewhat agree on Toad, he is tickling my senses. I disagree with you, but I operate on a need-to-know basis when it comes to scumhunting. Let me put it this way: If I told you what I expect to hear from people regarding questions I ask about players (about, for example, Dr. H or Katina, or Toad), wouldn't that defeat the purpose of asking them in the first place? I'd just be seeding the thread with my own thoughts and then other players, particularly good scum (and bad townies) would just end up feeding me what I want to hear based on what I've already said. That's why, for now, I just want to hear thoughts on those players. The exception for now is rg, because I have absolutely no problem about killing him. | ||
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On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we? Let's follow the logic train here... imagine everyone claims VT. Does that indicate anything about anyone's alignment? Now, knowing that, why again are you using the fact that kenpachi claimed green to call him scum? (oh but you backed off...hmmm) On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. So you know these people are bad townies already? On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. Because you can't scumhunt day 1? You don't even seem to want to try to scumhunt. I also addressed why you calling the kenpachi vote a "random vote" is a copout of responsibility. On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. So, you expected some votes, but some votes make you a lynch candidate? You're not making any sense. If you expected to receive votes, that means you knew you'd appear scummy. Why the fuck as town would you plan on looking scummy? Again you make no sense. You received a few votes, apparently as you expected. If it wouldn't have made you a lynch candidate in your imagination, how does the current reality make you a lynch candidate? It's either one or the other, it can't be both, and you certainly aren't helping yourself or anyone else if you're town and you think you can't scumhunt day 1. If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum.[/quote] rofl. Once again, how does kenpachi claiming green tell scum what his role is? On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. lol. so you're just gonna keep derping instead? If you're town, why don't you actually do something instead of being emo? At this point, though, I actually doubt you're town. You don't defend yourself and you don't scumhunt either (you straight up said you expect us to lynch a townie day 1.) If you're actually town and you come in expecting to lynch a townie, you need to shape up and reevaluate your play right the hell now, since you're just bringing us all down if you're going to go down without actually doing anything. | ||
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On February 07 2012 17:29 risk.nuke wrote: Been occupied with a real life stuff, my parents are getting divorced. In addition I have an exam tomorrow. I'll be reading the thread but expect low activity, I'll only comment if I need too. Tomorrow when my exam is done with I'm going to find some scum and rock this city. sorry to hear that man, I went through that when I was 10 and it was a rough time. Good luck on your exams and keep your spirits high! | ||
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On my first skim of what I missed I caught these posts specifically: On February 08 2012 05:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: 6 votes was the Largest wagon 6 or so h before lynchtime. If scum were going to hop on it, I would be d On February 08 2012 04:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: Due to the huge amount on votes on me I have decided I'll probably claim after I am done eating. Well done, bad townies and scum. You have driven me nuts with your pointless accusations. If it will get me lynched at least you'll have more info than is available and can be obtained through the people you want dead now. On February 08 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Not Random anymore. I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow. Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today. Due to that, I am claiming: I am a Detective .Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons : I may or may not be Catwoman's target. I have not had the chance to investigate yet. I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker. On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie On February 08 2012 02:47 Bill Murray wrote: I am not quite sure what I can claim and not be modkilled I dont want to be modkilled and not help the town Im not claiming 3rd party, im a town PR On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote: a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town On February 08 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote: I want everyone to answer these: 1) How were you introduced to mafia? 2) How would you describe your playstyle? 3) Are you better as mafia, or town? RVS is overrated. I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire. As such, I will initiate that: I'll go first. 1) I first started here, on Teamliquid 2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas 3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role. @adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse) wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game? I want thoughts as of right now on these posts and these two players. Also layabout, stop posting your goddamn reads on every player. When you post stuff on every player in the game (like that chart) you are bound to get manipulated It's why a lot of vets say don't seed the thread with your town reads; what's it going to accomplish? If they're actually scum they'll be delighted to be called town, and if they're town then scum will kill them because too many people think they're town. It's lose-lose for town, and it's why we play on a need-to-know basis. Throwing all your reads into the game willie nillie is going to allow scum to jump into your head and then mindfuck you by reversing all your reads. Kurumi: what do you want? | ||
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On February 08 2012 08:41 Tyrran wrote: This is just plain bad. Why would you sacrifice 3 blue role ( one to Batman and 2 to catwoman) just to get rid of the 3rd party, not even to get rid of real scum. Just of the chance they shoot and do not DT ? On day 1 ? Why should they shoot randomly early ? Why ? How do shooting early help them satisfy their win condition ? It doesnt. That is just 100% scum play to get rid of town blues, how do you not realize this. This plus the fact that I got no gut feeling on sheth means you get my vote. ##Vote Cyber_cheese where the fuck did you come from? | ||
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On February 08 2012 08:37 layabout wrote: thinks CC is mafia didn't look into CC much ... ding ding ding we have a winnar From what I could tell Kurumi hasn't been trolling.Which is strange; probably means he's scum. | ||
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I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible. Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks. Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased. I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly? ##unvote ##vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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I actually can't reconcile whether you're just trolling me or scum, since some things you've said have made like 0 sense. Particularly, your stances on cyber cheese and layabout. On February 08 2012 10:39 Kurumi wrote: Go Sheth. WBG is soft-defending him like he isn't. Also, meta. WBG is a lot more aggressive as town, a little as mafia but. He's REALLY active, like, being always on. I'm defending Sheth because I don't think a mafia member would receive so many votes so fast with no defense at all from anyone. IMO, scum are pushing this lynch. Can you name one person (other than me) who has proclaimed a disapproval of the Sheth lynch? There's too many people on it too fast. You claim I'm bandwagoning, yet you completely ignore the half dozen or so people who bandwagoned Sheth. Look at Sheth's filter from Responsibility: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=62163¤tpage=2 For the first day or two Sheth literally does nothing. He apologizes a bit and the ramps up his activity later in the game (at a point after everyone else was completely inactive as well) He received lynch attention from scum, kita. I remember because he was on my team and I recall kita and L both found sheth to be an easy push because he was the newest town player in that game (his only game as town, in fact.) I recall a short discussion in IRC and this post by kita in that game: Well that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear a real case on someone from you GM. Are you sure you're not just trying to match your town meta by accusing me? -_- I've been bringing up Sheth because he is the newest player and most likely to slip up from a random accusation. Go back in my history and I do this nearly every time. You accuse me of voting for someone who no one else is voting for, yet the vote was placed at the beginning of the day. Of course there wouldn't be any votes on him. That doesn't mean that is where my vote is going to stick by the end of the day. Yes, I've been prodding lurkers, but that's because its the people I find suspicious currently. I expect a lot more out of guys like Foolishness, BC and yourself. As for the LSB lynch, I have to go back and read through the thread again. I'll comment once I'm done. Kita straight up admitted (even in thread) that the reason he was pushing sheth was because sheth was new and likely to slip up. This is similar to what has happened here, except people are bandwagoning him a lotmore than they did in Responsibility, because people in this game, on average, are a lot more retarded than the stacked list of names in Responsibility. The simple fact is, right now I believe that Sheth is being pushed by mafia as an easy lynch. I strongly believe we should be getting the fuck off that train and focusing our efforts on other players. As for the 'also, meta' part : what part of my play is consistent with scum meta? How am I bandwagoning? How is bandwagoning part of my scum meta? (correct answers: I'm not and it isn't) How does my inactivity make me scum and how is it part of my scum meta? (correct answers: it doesn't and it isn't) How is "lack of aggressiveness" part of my scum meta? (correct answer: it isn't) I've already explained my lack of activity; I've started school again and I'm more busy this semester, I've been having keyboard issues (so I don't post at school anymore) and my "lack of aggression" is just because I've been working on being less abrasive. Granted, it still comes through sometimes because I can't help but call people retarded when they just straight up do stupid shit. On February 08 2012 10:36 Kurumi wrote: The funny thing is he thinks You're bad and ignored Your posts and said Your posts have nothing of substance without backing it up, then soft-defends Sheth calling him New Town for no reason, because a) Sheth played a lot of RL mafia b) Then, he is not new to the concept of mafia wait this might be a breakthrough I might vote Sheth. Yes, I ignored his posts just like I did in steamship. Guess what? CC was scum in that game and I was a retard for ignoring his posts just because they were bad. Same thing happened in PYP:I until we infiltrated his team and I shot his ass. You accuse me of calling CC bad and scum based on nothing but that's all you've done all game. You're calling me scum based on nothing, you're calling layabout scum based on nothing, and you're accusing me of being scum and saying sheth is a good lynch based on me "soft defending him" when in reality you're doing the exact same thing with cyber_cheese. Sheth has played one game on TL as town. How is playing RL mafia in anyway indicative of the kind of play that's necessary to build up experience as town in this game? On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote: I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason "He looks bad town so he must be scum" This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning. So far, you've just been playing bad. However, this post actually makes me think you might be scum. To everyone else, this is why: Kurumi for a while has just been calling me scum for no reason and then later says it's meta (with no real explanation other than activity and lack of aggression; both of which are inaccurate on meta grounds and not even constructed properly to begin with) then, he accuses me of trying to lynch CC for being bad and soft-defending Sheth. And he says this is a bad argument and that I must die. If you think I'm scum, Kurumi, why is it that at no point have you voted me? Why is it that you haven't built a case? You just constantly seed doubt. It's like you're trying to undermine me. This is actually the thing that I find scummy about Kurumi, but since he's generally this useless I have no idea what to think of it atm. Also barring some crazy vote switch Kurumi has no chance of being lynched today, so I'll have to leave it till tomorrow. Basically, what's scummy here is that Kurumi constantly seeds the thread with the idea that I'm scum but doesn't strongly back it up. Most tellingly, he doesn't back it up with a vote. This suggests to me he's just trying to make me look bad and doesn't actually believe I'm scum, which would imply he is scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. this is all false. My case on Toad was based on the fact that he had no opinions, not that he saw nothing wrong with Dr. H. At no point did I actually legitimately find Dr. H to be scummy, I just used that question as bait. How does changing my mind make me scum? Finally and most importantly: If I am your strongest scum read,why the fuck is your vote on sheth? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote: Im on a party , voting cyber cheese . On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote: I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote: I think that neither Sheth or C_C are mafia. On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote: I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason "He looks bad town so he must be scum" This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning. On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. fuck it, the double standards are way too much for Kurumi to be town. 1. says he's voting CC 2. 4 hours later says he didn't look into CC, would vote me if it mattered but it doesn't (wtf? so he knows a case on me would never fly?) 3. says neither sheth nor cc are mafia 4. tells people to vote sheth just because I defend him (yeah, that's a great reason to vote someone) Oh btw Kurumi, here's a shitty meta argument for you being scum: you're not trolling ##unvote ##vote Kurumi | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:37 Kurumi wrote: Also, compare Your defense of Sheth to my defense of Schworz. yours is shit and mine is actually articulated and thought out? | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:39 Kurumi wrote: The only way I can push Your case is to push it indirectly, thus trying to lynch the person You're defending, because I don't see how people are going to suddenly switch a lot of votes to someone while a lot are players from EU. Kenpachi, I know You're typing my name in vote thread. lol. So if Sheth flips town you'll call me scum for "knowing" his alignment? And if he flips scum, you'll call me scum for defending him too! I see how this is ^^ too bad I'm like four steps ahead of you. What's funny is that you say you know no one is going to suddenly switch votes to me because of the number of players from EU (who will probably be sleeping) but you accuse me of reviving a discussion that apparently died while I was asleep. | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:40 Kurumi wrote: My defense somehow made people not vote him, while Yours was so slight and slim noone noticed it. That's why it's called soft-defense. LOL so you're trying to take credit for people unvoting RG? LOLOLOL So apparently we all unvoted RG because of the mighty kurumi hahahahahahaha The reason people aren't unvoting Sheth is because he's getting bandwagoned and I think there are scum pushing that lynch. I guess it's nice to know the actual meaning of a term that's being used, eh? One of those scum is you, btw. | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:44 Kurumi wrote: Town defends Town with fury, power, huge posts and screaming all over the place. Scumbuddies prefer to help each other whispering and lending hands while noone looks. right. That's definitely how you defended RG right? rofl. If you didn't know, I actually defend harder when I'm scum because when I'm scum I already know the alignments. I know for sure as scum that I can defend someone hard because I know they'll flip a certain alignment. That's actually what I do a lot as scum because it makes me look good later when the lynch flips town and I can tell everyone, "yo fuckers I was right listen to me now." i'm not 100% sure sheth will flip town but I will bet a lot of money he will just based on how many people are bandwagoning him and how absolutely no one besides me is actually defending him. | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:55 Kurumi wrote: I need to bang myself with a grenade. That's the same fucking thing I used to defend Schworz, even brought up the amazingxkcd thing. WHY AM I SO FUCKING TERRIBLE. and you wonder why I'm laughing at your post about the RG defense? hahahaha this is classic | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This won't do.If you don't think I'm scum, vote someone who is. You said something about DocH, that's one of the people I'm happy with. So. ##Unvote Chaoser ##Vote Doctor Helvetica /phone is bad for mafia  the fuck | ||
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the most damning thing about Kurumi is not actually that he changes his mind, but this: On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. the fact that he's constantly changing his mind every few minutes and at the same time implying that it's scummy for me to change my mind even once is suspicious as hell. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: I'm still not a huge fan of either of the major lynches. I'll switch to ico for now. My case was posted earlier in the thread. Sixty minutes is a lot of time and the votes counts are relatively low so we aren't stuck with the current two candidates if we agree there is someone better out there. chaoser/bugs/radfield trio gives me the creeps, but that's for another time. u gf this game bro? | ||
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The only possibility beyond Kurumi being town is that Kurumi is actually a neutral and he's got balls of steel by claiming vig. 1. If he's town he'll get shot by a neutral 2. If he's scum he'll get shot by a neutral (which is even worse) 3. If he's a neutral he'll live foreva (which is okay for now, I have no vested interest in pursuing third parties when they can potentially still shoot scum) On February 08 2012 12:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Catwoman had her way, and that's regretful. That doesn't mean it was a bad plan. also this just reeks of desperation. Cyber Cheese's argument for Dr. H being catwoman is...he's catwoman. Derp. ##unvote kurumi ##vote Cyber_cheese | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Cyber_Cheese is Batman and he thinks I'm the Joker, I'm pretty sure this is the case. If there are only 7 minutes left is there any point in switching my vote? You lose nothing by role claiming unless you are Batman. This is the only player who can't claim right? literally anyone can do that. Scum could do that too (at least until both batman and catwoman flip) | ||
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It's almost as if you want us to discuss nothing but you all the time. Your actions are retarded if you're a townie and fucking brilliant if you're scum, since the state of TL mafia is to never lynch any sort of claimers ever no matter how mafia-favored their claims tend to be. You should die just for the fact that you insinuate that you're invincible when the OP clearly contradicts you. You're a mod-confirmed liar, just as Jackal was in Resurrection. | ||
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Me calling kita = inside joke for when he was gf like 4 times in a row (not even an exaggeration, really) on IRC. | ||
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On February 09 2012 02:39 Palmar wrote: I like the part where you're scum bugs. sounds like you're one sad mofo | ||
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If you thnk about it for a half second, it totally makes sense from a catwoman perspective. You out Two-Face and basically fulfill half your wincon. All that's left is for him to find penguin loool | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:13 Toadesstern wrote: also it's not really that hard to figure out what's going on given what docH said all the time. I'm just waiting for the first VET to step in and tell exactly what the situation is... (vet = every vet but wbg, because he's tunneling again and think's I'm catwoman. This guy thinks I'm mafia ALL THE TIME) what the fuck are you talking about? I never called you catwoman and I never seriously called you scum (I even explained how my first vote on you was bait) I just thought your claim was total bullshit. If I wanted to I would've said, stop trying to take hits, no one's stupid enough to shoot you, but then I realized that people actually are that dumb and scum might have chosen to shoot you anyway. So instead, I called your claim retarded (because it was) as for rg, I find it funny now that he comes and claims Dr. H is scum that you choose to vote him. On Kurumi: he very much likely did not shoot. His targets were pretty much between myself, layabout, qualis, and sheth. Since none of those players died and none of them have yet claimed a hit (I did not get hit) then Kurumi is the best vote. I have to evaluate this rg/Dr H business but I'm obviously far more inclined to believe Dr. H over rg. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:30 Toadesstern wrote: nah Palmar is a liar as well and I don't know what he's up to. And I barly lied. Pretty much everything I said was true. the fuck | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:39 Tunkeg wrote: If scum got a few of these roledescription of the blues he would know to. Hell, scum themself probably got some hidden part of their role, and he could have picked it up there. So it could be a blueslip, a scumslip, a third party slip or a vanilla townie invited to the QT slip. wtf LOGIC? gtfo noob you're not supposed to use logic in here | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Lynch List of Correctitude v2.0 Liquid`Sheth - His return to the thread from the busy days past has been less than impressive, to say the very least. He's only interested in saving his own life, not in finding and eliminating threats to town. As such, it pleases me greatly to see that he's (at least for now) our choice for lynch. Opz - A lurker - and a site-veteran lurker. He's on Jackal's list of phone-network buddies, but I haven't seen much in the way of finding scum from Opz. Every passing hour that he hasn't done shit in the thread is another reason we should hang this guy. hiro protagonist - This one's silence has now reached a deafening cacophony of scumminess to me. He's not looking for scum...or if he is, he's not sharing with the class. This one is tomorrow's lynch if he lives through the night (I hope he doesn't.) Kurumi - WBG entered today with an INSTANTANEOUS vote for Kurumi. Now, he hasn't claimed any kind of DT role or anything, but being a semi veteran of the site and a decent player, that's not surprising. But it's the kind of behavior I'd expect from a DT with a red check. I'll be looking into Kurumi in much greater detail, but for now he's on my lynch-list. VisceraEyes Watch-List of Vigilance Katina - Downgraded from my lynch-list for being constantly on my Sheth lynch unwaveringly. If she were a scumbuddy, I'd have expected at least a little resistance yesterday when I was pushing or at the very least today. However, something about her screams 'doing-bare-minimum-to-avoid-lynch'. I'm watching Katina like a hawk. Palmar - Again, unwaveringly on my Sheth lynch. Palmar has the honor of being the village idiot this game however, and that's not the kind of behavior I'm used to seeing from townPalmar post-D1. I have no idea what kind of game Palmar is playing, but I'm watching Palmar like a hawk. I actually hope he keeps trolling and we lynch him...but I'm not sold on him being scum. Third however? Dunno....EVER VIGILANT!!!! this is probably the scummiest post made in the past ~3 pages I'm reading backwards into the thread; I probably won't be responding in-depth now so I'll just + Show Spoiler + take this time to insult the play of as many scummy people as possible. If they're town they'll take it and improve and if they're scum they'll keep doing scummy shit On February 10 2012 06:42 Forumite wrote: I have no idea why I get a bad feeling about this post. I have no idea why you are still so useless Maybe it's because you keep posting shit that is backed up by nothing and only serves to add noise to the derpfest we have going on On February 10 2012 07:06 layabout wrote: Which players do you think are hurting town the most? Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda? Which players do you think are scum? Kurumi Kurumi Kurumi On February 10 2012 04:09 chaoser wrote: I'm confused. On page 66 right now. Explain. explanation = Toad is either third party or playing the dumbest town in the history of dumb towns. Since Toad is not actually sinani level of dumb I'm sticking with third party On February 10 2012 04:21 Kurumi wrote: I think I got this figured out, DrH. stfu scum On February 10 2012 04:24 jaybrundage wrote: Ok So apparently we are lynching sheth. Radfield DT check could be legit. Palmar thinks hes a black a good possibility. But why cant radfield just be a regular DT tho who got medic protection. Palmar claiming an unblock-able hit seems off. At this point tho sheth is prolly a miller or being bussed hard. I am having a hard time getting any good reads this game. Normally if would try to back up Palmar because he's such a solid townie although trolly at times but. I think his role PM is fucken crazy this amnesia thing is annoying as hell. I'm going to vote for Sheth because he would give us a good bit of info and give us some info on Radfield too. Regarding Toad and the Doc I am just going to think of them as both confirmed blues. And assume that rg just has some wierd second power with his role pm. I also Doc has been poking at me as red : ( I guess i deserve that tho. ##Vote: Sheth you're scum too you don't vote someone to get info, you vote them if they're scum. You claim he's probably a miller (or getting bussed wtf) If you think he's probably a miller, you shouldn't be voting him. If you think he's probably being bussed, that means you're likely thinking too far into things. If you need to say someone is getting bussed in order to call them scum then you're probably either scum yourself or plain retarded. no u On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote: Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers. or we could shoot you for saying stupid shit trolololololol ironic On February 10 2012 02:15 Kurumi wrote: I was right from the very fucking start why have I doubted myself wrong, scum this is like the third post scumrumi comes in and calls someone scum and doesn't do anything he's not trolling he's not jolly he's not happy he's not town | ||
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ask me any questions you want answered from someone who actually knows what he's saying. I haven't read like 20 pages (something like 60 to 80 or whatever was added to the thread since I went to sleep/class.) After lab/study group tonight I'll be back to answer stuff. For the meantime, please kill Kurumi. Also Sheth is dumb town; this bandwagon is insane. | ||
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indicates RG is either scum or third party; more likely to be third party actually because I don't think he'd have the balls to fake claim a check | ||
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On February 10 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait, my post of reads is the scummiest post made in the last ~3 pages? Really? Honestly? Like, for realreal? NOT for playplay? Maybe you could just...ENLIGHTEN me as to what is scummy about someone posting their reads and giving concise reasoning for them? I mean, if you disagree with me that's one thing...but saying it's SCUMMY? You get right out of town WBG. No...seriously. Get out of town WBG. We don't need your brand of "scumhunting" if you think that players giving their reads is in ANY way scummy. you're fucking fishing | ||
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I feel like there are no competent townies playing with me. I wish sandro was here, at least then I'd be able to talk to someone useful. | ||
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On February 10 2012 09:08 Radfield wrote: So you're obviously not reading the thread either WBG. Therefore you must be either scum or third party yes? like seriously, the hell is this you KNOW my intention in saying that was that I actually am making an effort to read the thread, while rg is not. I don't believe your claim for a second and I will honestly be incredibly surprised if Sheth flips scum. And yes, I realize I will look like a total fucking moron if Sheth actually does flip scum. | ||
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Kurumi Radfield/rg VE risk.nuke Forumite jaybrundage | ||
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On February 10 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote: Kurumi's funny. In addition it's very hard to read him. Ico because I genuinely think he's town from his day 1 play. are you fucking kidding? If Kurumi trolls he's town. If he doesn't, he is not. It's THAT SIMPLE. Proof? Couples Therapy. Any game he's played as town in the last 3 months. Look at his filter in couples therapy and compare it to this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=68386 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=68386 On November 08 2011 05:08 sandroba wrote: K I'm back. To be honest I'm not sure on who is scum right now. I really think one of either team chezinu and team edward pretty much has to be scum. The second one I belive is team nipple in both cases so I guess it's best if we lynch them first. Kurumi is not trolling at all this game and that is something he normally does as mafia. Don't lynch my team, we are not scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: Team nipple His filter this game is a massive 8 pages of nontrolling. When the hell does that happen for Kurumi? Look at his posts from the last time he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68386 On January 14 2012 00:50 Kurumi wrote: I have a slight headache and I am heading to the teather in a couple of hours, also I am tired a bit, so my activity will be quite low. Though, Thou shall continue discussing important things and not get distracted, that's all I can say for now. Pain is weakness leaving the body - Team Fortress 2 Soldier Unless You've got backstabbed. Then pure embarassment is flowing out. BL-- I mean Kurumi the Town out. Why would someone create a campaign for someone else without seeing him post ever? On January 14 2012 02:03 Kurumi wrote: Nisani, why You active lurk? Maybe You at least have those fun graphs regarding everyone? On January 14 2012 10:13 Kurumi wrote: no, mason me so we can PM together for the sake of PMing. On January 15 2012 05:11 Kurumi wrote: PENIS Kurumi no troll = scum. Simple shit, and this is EXACTLY why I wish sandro was town with me in this game. Cause he would never be as thick as all of you and I'd actually be able to scumhunt with him cause people listen to players with good reputations as town. On February 10 2012 18:24 Palmar wrote: That list is terrible. as are you. I would not be surprised in the least if you were scum or third party this game. What have you done for town? Defecated over the entire thread multiple times and confused all the newbies? Yeah, great track record. On February 10 2012 18:26 Adam4167 wrote: Lets talk then bugs. I agree with that list except risk.nuke. What has he done to warrant being higher on the list then Forumite or jay? Has he said more in the mason QT that might indicate his alignment better? I might be wrong about risk, but it's mostly actually just a gut feeling. The reason Forumite and Jay are lower is because I based the scumread on both of them based on a single post made by each. (I pointed them out earlier) On February 10 2012 18:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: rG is pretty clearly talking about a counterclaim. You're reading so hard into nothing and grasping at straws, it's doesn't look good it looks desperate. Why are you on a bender right now when we already have the best possible lynch? If you have a case make it well at the end of the night in case you die, you're not helping anyone by spamming and getting upset. I'm on a bender right now because I strongly believe Sheth is not scum. I'm also not spamming (rather ironic coming from you tbh). The only way any of you are going to listen to me is if I'm loud as fuck about this. Clearly so far it's not been working because no one ever listens. Day 1 I tell you all rg is scum and you believe his claim into letting him live. Now half of you want to kill him but he gets by because Sheth is apparently scum since Radfield is fake claiming out of his ass. Tell me this: how the hell did Radfield survive last night? You really think if he was town he'd only take one bullet on n1? On February 10 2012 18:29 Palmar wrote: In addition bugs. As I've explained, there is a reason to believe Radfield did DT check Sheth and there is no reason to believe he's not telling the truth about the result. Radfield lying about the result makes no sense no matter his alignment. And seeing as Radfield is confirmed as 3rd party (through my shot), it would indeed be counter-productive for him to lie, and likely get hanged. I don't think you're reading the thread. I think you're raging for no reason at all. Why are you doing it? He's not the fucking batman. I give him like 5% chance to flip anything but red. And again, I'm raging because you're all dumb and you can't see how obvious Kurumi is as scum. He's the best lynch today, second is Radfield. (or rg, take your pick) On February 10 2012 18:32 Adam4167 wrote: Palmar, why does Ico or Kurumi make your 'list of superfriends'? I see a few very town people on that list, and then those two. Can you run me through your thoughts on why? The answer to both of your questions is that PALMAR IS NOT TOWN also something on ico below On February 10 2012 18:49 Adam4167 wrote: But ico's list of reads just felt so... effortless and regurgitated. Then after I and BM called him out, he just ignores us, even though hes obviously still reading the thread. His reason for voting Cheese was non-existent. He didn't vote me for being a 'derp', he didn't vote DrH for spamming, he thinks the best place for his vote is Cheese for "saying he was going to be inactive, then posting, then going inactive". That makes no sense to me. 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Sandro's scary good. He would kill Kurumi in this game. So why aren't we killing him? | ||
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Adam: You wanna role-play? You be my sandro and I'll be your WBG. Tell me what you think of Kurumi, Radfield, RG, Palmar, and VE. What I'm not understanding is why the Sheth lynch has no opposition. Is it your opinion that Sheth is scum and getting bussed, or do you think he's just bad and no one wants to associate themselves with him? What do you think about the timing of Radfield's hit claim with Palmar's shot claim? At this point, if you could not lynch Sheth who would you lynch? | ||
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On February 11 2012 10:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: rg....I defended you in the beginning but finding out you fake claimed DT and fake claimed a red check seems scum. ....I think your scum. I would praise you for seeing the light but your accusation is so fcking weak that you might not be town Dr. H: can you respond as well to the questions I posed above? | ||
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On February 10 2012 22:25 Palmar wrote: Btw, Bugs, why are you justifying your reads based on someone not playing the game so hard? Sure, sandroba is a pretty good townie, but what makes you not simply try to convince us on your own? Because no one ever listens to me. I'm pretty sure that's because you've seeded the thread with the notion that my town play sucks. Also, what scares me is that there literally is no alternate to Sheth today. If you're wrong about Sheth, that means this entire day has pretty much been wasted. Sheth has done jack all to defend himself, but if he actually is scum where do we go tomorrow? Half the people in this game today have just voted Sheth and disappeared. A lot of those people IMO are likely to be scum regardless of Sheth's flip. Ofc if he flips scum the ones later on the wagon are more likely to be, since at that point a bus would have likely been inevitable. For example, if Sheth is scum I can almost guarantee you that BM is scum. Just look at his posts over the last 48 hours; he says he's gonna go all out and then promptly posts...twice. | ||
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Actually even if he is scum we haven't accomplished much except finding 20+ different ways of sheeping a bandwagon | ||
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On February 11 2012 11:33 -_-Quails wrote: WBG, unless there's serious doubt about a DT check - like the checked has a realistic blue claim or it's MYLO - I don't see why there should be other candidates for lynch. If Sheth is scum then we can always look at their pre-scumcheck play tomorrow, or see if the DocH-rg rats' nest has cleared up a bit. We're almost certain to get a scum kill out of lynching Sheth, either in Sheth or Radfield, so today has definitely not been wasted. I don't know why you're being so pessimistic. Kurumi already answered no, like 20-40 pages ago. I'm not being pessimistic, I'm making a statement of fact. This time is best used for analysis. Today, very little has been done. Therefore regardless of Sheth's flip we're going to be rather behind tomorrow. This is why I'm tryuig to spur on productve discussion. Why don't we use this time to actually accomplish something? Why aren't the people (like BM) who are clearly just sheeping being called out? BM hasn't done anything today. You don't find that suspicious? Obviously none of these targets will get lynched today, but perhaps they will tomorrow. | ||
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What? I can't understand your horribly ugly language, sorry. On February 11 2012 22:46 rgTheSchworz wrote: Im gonna look at WBG and Kita as they have nt been helpful this game. herp says the guy who fake claimed n1 and lied about a DT check on someone who definitely did not deserve the doubt you shed on him you need to die tonight. On February 12 2012 04:02 Toadesstern wrote: bugs doesn't think I've got the balls to do that and I kind of can understand thinking that way. Speaking of bugs. Where is he? I thought he's town because he's behaving so stupid but he hasn't shown up for ages. He should have walzed in this thread calling me a retarded liar who's just trying to pull of the same trick I tried to pull of n1 with Two-Face instead of claiming joker by now. mix of comp issues and schoolwork. last night I tried playing ranked on LoL and blemished my almost-perfect anivia record when I d/ced four times in a row...just to give you an idea of the frustrations I've had with my Internet lately. Also, what? Did you fake claim again? On February 12 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say we lynch fixed On February 11 2012 22:50 Tunkeg wrote: Kurami Kurami's posting leads me to think that he is either Catwoman or scum. But I think it is most likely Catwoman. His posts on rgTS being vet or PoisonIvy makes me belive he hit rgTS this night. Who would hit rgTS (claimed TwoFace) ---> CW. He have also fished for Penguin in his posts. He have lots of oneliners in his filters. I have also read something in his filter, that I will for now keep to myself. Something I think will reveal him later if he do a certain action. Radfield Radfield's filter isn't all that big. I just skimmed through it now. I belive his DT Sheth claim should make him pretty townie, and won't look more into him rgTheSchworz He have lied and claimed and retracted his claim, and given us a DT read on DrH that he later retracted. He is full of shit. But I am not sure if he is full of shit as scum. Or if he is full of shit as town (with a reason behind it). His play is very confusing though. Palmar He have played the most confusing game I have ever seen here. I thought BM was confusing, well Palmar is the king of confusion it looks like. He have claimed and retracted numerous times. He also claims he have never claimed and never lied, which only confuse me even more. Is Palmar scum, third party, normal town or town powerrole? Hard to say at this point. This alone worries me though, and I wouldn't mind if someone put a bullet in him tonight. VisceraEyes He have been on Sheths case forever. And I don't think scum would bus this early (somewhat because of the tips you gave regarding my bus theory post game in Student Mafia, where you said that you wouldn't consider bussing from the get go a good scum strategy). There you have my view on these 5. Haven't been able to dive in deep on anyone of them though, so there might be stuff I missinterpret or have just overlooked. your sandro score: 3 out of 10 explanation 1. you can't possibly be sandro smurfing (god damn it) 2. you pointed stuff out anyone could have pointed out. Since this is indicative of you reading, I guess that's worth 1 point and cuts your maximum to 8. 3. you consider my opinion about scum strategy to be the only one 4. you call a guy confusing and yet don't realize that no townie would want to appear unreadable, not even Palmar. No points for you! 5. you didn't dive deep into any of them...despite all of them being very major players in this game. The fuck you been doing? Step up your game if you wanna be the next sandro. For now though, B for effort since you're the only one (so far as I could tell) who bothered to answer my questions. I like you. On February 11 2012 22:50 Toadesstern wrote: he knew my identity as well. I figure he might be a DT who checked me, did not believe what he saw and came to the conclusion that I have to lie as well as docH. Maybe he came to the conclusion that it's less dangerous to fake a DT check on docH on the offchances that I actually am what he found out about me. That way he only screwed a lesser PR and not the most imba thing in this game besides Batman. I can ensure you that he got a DT-power. I however don't know what aligment he has yet. Schworzs flip would be nice for information but I'd like to lynch scum first. simplest explanation = he's not town remember, every alignment in the game has a DT, believing someone solely on a DT claim is thus retarded On February 11 2012 20:46 Kurumi wrote: Oh well, I had another target and now DocH is attacking me. Changing plans. Who do I want dead? The Coward, The Nutcracker, The Schizophreniac... Nah, I'll go with The Wet Blanket. you know, it's funny how this guy starts trolling after I out to the entire thread that his meta is troll as town and play srs as scum. He even admits it himself that it was hard to find a game as town where he didn't troll. On February 11 2012 20:25 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH be sincere : Does this guy speak the truth? I have been hit. Lynch me if I lie on this one. this guy just claimed scum in this post. He needs to be lynched. Perhaps not tomorrow, since tomorrow we lynch Kurumi. But he needs to be lynched. On February 12 2012 08:47 Adam4167 wrote: This game is a quagmire and I can fully understand anyone not wanting to post into this mess. rG: I know what character you are trying to tell me you are. I can understand doing what you did if you're telling the truth, but don't you see the havoc its created in this town? was it really worth doing it to accomplish what you set out to do? Weather or not I believe you at this point is a whole different story. Lets hope the night kills clean up the thread some. are you justifying your general lurkiness this game? On February 11 2012 12:13 Adam4167 wrote: I'm aware of what he claimed, I am just having trouble reconciling some things if Kurumi did indeed not shoot. Now onto what you asked bugs: VE is scum. I look at his list of reads Here and its all worthless. He reaffirms that he still wants Sheth dead, targets OpZ for being a lurker, targets Hiro as TOMORROWS LYNCH, even with all this noise going on with rG and DrH, he wants to focus on the lurkers. His entire section on Kurumi is actually talking about WBG and not Kurumi at all, yet Kurumi makes 'his list'. I don't think he cares and he comes off as hypocritical saying that other people aren't hunting for scum. I have serious doubts about this Sheth lynch. Last nights flip turned TWO insane inmates. Two of the three 'greens' that we have flipped so far have been millers. I get the feeling that there are going to be a whole bucketload of insane inmates in this game, as there was in Arkham City. I am not disputing the check from Radfield, I really don't see any reason for scum to out themselves like that. Radfield looks disengaged from all this carnage, I wouldn't be surprised if the one true thing Palmar has said is that Radfield is 3rd party. I think Palmars claim of shooting Radfield is a load of shit, just like all of his other claims. I think rGTheSchworz has done nothing but create utter chaos where there didn't need to be. Claiming far too early, a claim I believed to be bullshit at the time, then claiming a red check on DrH then RETRACTING IT. Why would any townie do shit like this? I can understand the early claim - panic'd in his first game as blue, but to then claim a red result and then retract it? No one with the towns best interest at heart does this. Id rather see rG or VE dead before sheth. I am unvoting sheth accordingly. ##unvote: Liquid`Sheth oh nvm I see you answered my questions as well. your sandro score: 6/10. Let's start at 0/10 and work our way up, eh? Sadly, there is no possibility that you are sandro smurfing. You just lack that Brazilian sexiness. -1. Agreed on VE. +2 points. However, do you think Kurumi is scum? I actually think both are scum; I feel like VE is trying to distance from Kurumi but at the same time he "knows" Kurumi is scum so he puts him on his list anyway. Ofc this is pointless speculation until one of them flips, but I think its worth mentioning. +1 point on the Sheth lynch points. You clearly have a brain and are willing to use it, but I think some of your logic was off. If a bunch of millers flip that means it's LESS likely that more millers will flip, since a bunch were already taken out of the pool. -1 point. Ofc we know now Sheth is scum, so all of that is moot, but I thought I'd point out where you could improve here anyway. +1 on Palmar for saying he's full of shit. However, you don't comment on his alignment. Why? I want to kill Palmar. Problem? +3 on rg being scum. Apparently half of the players in this game are blind and/or playing as if their brains are being fed by the feces that is being repeatedly dumped on the thread by scum. 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On February 12 2012 11:22 layabout wrote: Whilst Tyrran has spoken some sense, nearly all of his (few) posts are about neutral topics. It would be a shame to kill town that can speak sense. But he has made next to no effort to contribute, and he has sat back and watched the chaos as he has not been under pressure At the moment he has a decent chance of flipping scum. Jaybrundage is very scummy and is an acceptable lynch for tomorrow pardon me, but you turn me on. I can't help but get an erection every time you post something. Please continue. | ||
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On February 12 2012 11:41 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just afraid schworz might flip worst DT I ever saw and I got good reason to believe so. I'm willing to lynch him later on but for now we'Ve got bigger fish in the pool and that fish is chaoser. We can still go after schworz later on. What he did does not make sense from a mafia perspectiv neither does is make sense from a town perspective. A mafia however get's coaching from his allies. So it's not mafia imo. That leaves me with either BM-townish or with third party. Just answer me this one wbg. Why should he claim DT who got a red check on docH and push for docH's lynch if he knew it to be wrong? why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. | ||
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man this should go to show how much you never should lie as town. Also screw you Kurumi :D My team went through with the planned bus instead of us pushing your lynch day 2 and then I completely forgot about the RB. I was too busy to even think about it :p but why would you shoot at scum -_- | ||
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On February 23 2012 17:05 Forumite wrote: I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns. You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads. ofc you can complain about vigi hits. The only person responsible for the hit is the vig himself. If you don't have good enough reads to shoot scum then don't complain about others complaining. yes, some of the veterans (roles, not players) played horrifically, but at times they did things that should have tipped you guys off that they were town. All the mafia were actually very exposed and I don't think we did a very good job of hiding ourselves. Kudos to JayJay on a great game, and Katina for somehow living the entire time. Also to kita for being an overall baller and nailing like four of us. | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: gg, I did play horrible after Toad´s CC. I should´nt have lied or I should have lied much more. My reads have been bad, except for JayJay and JB, who btw, should have been lynched D3 instead of Kurumi. D3 lynch decided the game, I had no credibility whatsoever in the endgame. Should have pushed that much more for JB D3, if he had gotten lynched, we would have won. You never lie as town, and if you do lie and it's that obvious, then scum will jump all over it and get you lynched. A competent town will almost always lynch a clear liar. Most towns recently have been derping pretty damn hard though, where they leave a liar alive despite how detrimental he/she is to the town. Ex. BM in TL Mafia L, that's a good example. Ofc once it was confirmed he was a liar he died, but you get the idea. Basically the way you lied this game, I (and by extension the entire scumteam) knew you were lying. generally there's only two reasons a person lies; they're scum (so if you were 3rd party we wouldn't shoot you) or they're trying to draw hits (so we wouldn't shoot you). Since we knew that, PLUS by lying you had no clout in town why would we ever shoot you? The only people who would ever shoot you would have all been vigis. Saying you need to lie so that as scum you can lie is stupid. Neither side needs to lie, ever. I'm sad LaL isn't actually popular here, because it's the one of the few things about TL town play that is really bad. Lying is just not punished enough. | ||
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Lol. Whenever you make a claim you always have to consider its implications. Why would we shoot someone who, if left alive, basically destroys the town on his own? I personally am not scared of blues as mafia. We have methods of dealing with blues (RB, though generally I mess up by putting the RB in the wrong place) but they are there. If the standard part of town play isn't good then being a blue doesn't matter. | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:55 syllogism wrote: No, LaL is awful and it's usually really easy to tell when it's a townie lying and lying as town is actually relatively rare here, compared to something like mafiascum (lol) So you think it was good for town to leave the liars alive? Town essentially lost 48 hours of discussion because of liars. I can guarantee (judging from how we played this game) that had those players been lynched or systematically ignored the scumteam would've lost horrifically. Day 1 Sheth barely survived in part because of all the chaos. Day 2 WE led the lynch and day 3 Radfield messed up his claim. I got shot by 3rd party. Those are the only reasons mafia really died (oh and kita). Town had no ability to scumhunt because there didn't exist a proper town atmosphere. | ||
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The reason you lynch liars over simply ignoring them is that not everyone will just ignore them, and you have no idea whether or not they're even town. Since scum can do the exact same thing, lynching all the liars is just much simpler on principle. There are just too few scenarios where lying as town is good for town. | ||
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Basically my point is that if lying as town is not punished (when the vast majority of the time it is very detrimental to town) then it allows scum to get away with lying. In fact most of the time scum will be more careful about their lies, which makes it even harder sometimes to catch and punish them for it. When you have a policy like LaL, no one can lie, which actually benefits town and gimps scum. What loss do you have for town? Sometimes you lose a useless townie? That's worth it. I think you underestimate the value of a good atmosphere. Sure, you can usually tell when a townie is lying, but a lot of other people in the game will still concentrate discussion on that player. That's a very bad thing when discussion should be on scum. It gives scum openings to abuse town too. IMO the gain of LaL far outweighs the loss. Look at mafia L: when BM lied, I wanted to lynch him right then so we wouldn't waste two days of discussion. Ultimately we lynched him the following day, which was okay, but it gave him more time to mess up the thread, time we could have otherwise been using to search for his scumbuddies. Even if he was town it would have been helpful to lynch him, since then we would've cleared out a complete detriment to town. | ||
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On February 24 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote: why should a mafia beg to be shot my CW. Sure in at least 90% of the cases CW will think herself that that guy wants to draw a hit because he's a vet and therefore not shoot me or or DT me instead to figure out what's happening. Why should a mafia take that risk? Sure the risk to be actually shot is low but who got the balls to do that and explain his mates afterwards why he did that? Complete WIFOM Also, I actually seriously considered doing this myself because at the end of day 1 I already knew who both third parties were. That's why I checked Kurumi n1; I strongly believed he was third party (and I was right.) What I could have done is fake claim day 2 the same way you and RG did. The only reason I didn't was because my team was bussing Sheth, and it would have forced us to constantly roleblock Kurumi (or lynch Kurumi that day) I thought going into n2 that we could do it the next day but I never had time to implement it because I was busy with school and I forgot to tell my team to roleblock Kurumi. | ||
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His question basically comes down to playstyle. Sure, most conservative mafia players will never do what he said, but there are plenty out there who will do that and more. So now we're in a situation where we're dealing with circular logic about whether a player who knows what he's doing will be scrutinized by others would do A or B. Both answers are possible outcomes. | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:01 Toadesstern wrote: or we could just say that a mafia player is less likely to do that because it's either death or nothing while a townie gets either what he wanted to achieve or nothing. Depending on CW's actions. It's not "death or nothing" if you (like me) know who the catwoman is. You just roleblock CW and then claim. In the current meta, you end up looking town (and most townies are too scared to shoot you because of the claim) you have to handle the constant pressure, but it's worth it because the claim will destroy the thread discussion. For a townie it's a choice between playing normally and gambling to save someone but at the same time gimp town's scumhunting abilities. Again, personal choice. In normal games you don't even have the issue of an impenetrable shot so the possibilities for lying as scum are even better. | ||
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