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Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:23 GMT
#2801
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


On February 12 2012 23:07 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 23:05 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Hoping I won t be wrong Kurumi. Damn you, you are Harley Quinn.
Please confirm.

Yes


Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#2802
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 13 2012 16:25 GMT
#2803
I want to shoot VE this night. People agree?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#2804
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#2805
Toad stop it - that's the dumbest thing you've said all game. Why in the fuck would you want to shoot me?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 13 2012 16:27 GMT
#2806
On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.

Or more likely Penguin's, because he's that "Boss Guy"
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:27 GMT
#2807
On February 14 2012 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:
If palmar kills me tomorrow he risks losing this game before finding hugo. There is no reason to kill me first unless he has to. Medics can't safe me and if palmar wants to kill me he does that. If we lynch palmar instead we give mafia an additional 3 free KP because we lynched someone who's not mafia to safe 1 (!) guy (that's me).


Wait. Let's assume Palmar keeps you alive and is shooting scum this game, then we have 2 KP at night (well, you two). If we lynch him, we'd have one KP. How does mafia loose 3 KP if we keep him alive?

I do not want to argue here, I just don't get your point.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 13 2012 16:27 GMT
#2808
On February 14 2012 01:16 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:07 layabout wrote:
Qualis has a good shot of being scum too.

I know there are people that are more likely to be scum than Palmar.
But i want him to die.
If he is 3rd party i want him to lose.
If he is town i think he deseves to die.
If he is scum then he needs to die.

I think we should have killed him day2 as a matter of principle, but with the DT check on sheth that wasn't really an option.

I don´t like Palmar trolling either, but it´s either live with it, or loose. We can´t afford a mislynch, but neither can we afford wasting a lynch on third party right now. They may not have Towns best interest in mind, but it´s leaving them be or loose.

We can afford a mislynch, lynching batman is not strictly a mislynch anyhow.

15-5-2 and 3 scum KP where there are
2 bulletproof non-scum
0+veterans,
two scum players that would cost scum a KP if they died
and 1+ town medics.
in addition we have a shit-ton of likely scum candidates and we should still have some vigi-shots left.
we also have some "DT's"

We can afford to lynch batman, who wants to kill one of our vigis.

You are fearmogering. scum.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:28 GMT
#2809
On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.


and why the fuck did you confirm his DT claim? to save him? wow.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
February 13 2012 16:29 GMT
#2810
On February 14 2012 00:59 layabout wrote:
All of this crap is another reason that we should be killing Palmar.

People who looked most suspicious from day 1 vote:
At this moment in time evantrees is leading the vote.

Tyrran stands a similar chance of flipping scum to evantrees.
There are the candidates that are likeliest to flip scum, (but they could be town).

It has been (sort of) agreed that rg's night action should shed some light on his own and on chaoser's alignment.

BM has claimed medic and i would be willing to say that he is far likelier town than other candidates.

Other People that it has been suggested we lynch:
Kitaman27:
stands an excelllent chance of flipping scum. I was waiting for him to come back and post but he doesn't seem to care. He does not wish to respond to my case in full as he promised he would do last night should he survive. My only resevation about killing Kitaman is that if Kurumi is, in fact Harley Quinn, then the case against Kitaman27 is weaker.
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 13:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Layabout, I'll respond to some of your posts if I survive the night.

liar.

Jaybrundage:
Is perhaps the epitome of "posts to look like he is contributing without actually contributing". He has been lurking heavily all game and he displays no pro-town motives.

Forumite:
Has yet to put effort into helping town find lynch targets. All his posts are about peripheral issues and he has not made himself useful whatsoever. He has undermined town objectives all game long.

Tunkeg:
Likely town. But + Show Spoiler [Tunkeg do not open this spoiler] +
I think he has an "unorthodox approach" to playing as town
and as such i am struggling to understand his motives. In the first two days he looked green to me. Since there are so many better scum candidates lynching him would be a horrendous move.

hiro protagonist:
You could quite easily argue his alignment either way. He shows up every now and then. He calls most of us you stupid, not so subtly tells us to kill him and leaves. If he is your strongest scumread at this point in the game then you clearly haven't been looking for scum.

Ico/Razerflash:
I felt that ico looked green. I think razer looks a little red. My concern is that those who are placing suspicion on him are not doing it wholeheartedly. I felt that Kitaman27's early case was laughable. When i saw this quote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote:
Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt.

in kitaman's "in case i die post" i was suspicious.
But when looked at in context (clicky)
He says that he think's cyber cheese is a better candidate and votes for him. He may have been hedging which is scummy but i think that the quote by itself is misleading and makes ico appear scummier than he did.
Who was misleading us? Kitaman, (+chaoser who has sheeped without sharing his reasons)

JayJay:
I may be somewhat biased when commenting on Jayjay because he has made various comments in which he has taken liberties with logic.
I do not like JayJay's posts. He assumes things he shouldn't and if i had a gun i would have shot him night 1. He often talks about subjects that do not further town's goals. But he has made some posts that indicate he cares about town winning the game. And tha is more than can be said for far too many of you. So we shouldn't lynch him today/

The Radfield/ Palmar debacle:
We have next to no reason to not beleive radfield at this point. We have every reason to not trust Palmar.

If Radfield is telling the truth.
Palmar is confirmed "not-town" (or possibly the "worst townie ever" + Show Spoiler +
Could town really play worse than claiming 3/4 power roles and lying all the time?+ Show Spoiler +
the answer is probably yes but Palmar is still playing really badly if he is town
)

What if Rafield isn't calendar man?

Radfield's actions do make some sense if he is scum, so if Palmar were to flip DT then Radfield would make an excellent lynch.

What then if Radfield is scum ?

Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie.

OR

Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information.

If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town"

OR
radfield was bussing another teammate for town cred, which is fine.

What if Rafield is 3rd Party?

Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie.

OR

Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information.

If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town"
Palmar is almost certainly "not town" and killing him will have additional benefits - being able to actually focus on the lynch.

OR
Radfield has caught us another scum. Hi-fives all-around!

Lynching Palmar could have a range of outcomes from, lynching a town DT and then lynching batman the next day( a monumentally improbable outcome). To lynching scum (a fairly likely outcome). Today and being in a great position tomorrow.
Whatever happens lynching Palmar should greatly increase our ability to scumhunt and produce useful discussion.
Palmar is almost certainly "not town". He has been having fun at YOUR expense.
KILL PALMAR WITH FIRE!


I do agree that we need to do a Radfield/Palmar double. Meaning we lynch one, and if the other one is turns out a certain way we need to lynch the other. BUT, I disagree with you on the order. I want to take out Radfield first, because I think Palmar finally are starting to make sense in this game. I can not see him being anything but third party, and a Batman third party is most likely. The joker is out there and is ready for the taking for Batman at anytime, therefor he should as I advocated in the beginning of the game be very pro-town. A pro-town super Palmar is never wrong.

Palmars case on Radfield also makes sense.


BTW your Tunkeg spoiler, haha, almost wet myself. Was expecting the worst, and I understand what you wanted to say (Tunkeg is the worst townie ever!), but I appreciate you wrapping it in, and saying what you did with gritted teeth instead )
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 13 2012 16:30 GMT
#2811
On February 14 2012 01:28 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.


and why the fuck did you confirm his DT claim? to save him? wow.

Of course, why would I let Town die?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:32 GMT
#2812
On February 14 2012 01:30 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:28 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.


and why the fuck did you confirm his DT claim? to save him? wow.

Of course, why would I let Town die?


hmm. this may be setup speculation, but do you really think we have 0 DTs?
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 13 2012 16:34 GMT
#2813
On February 14 2012 01:32 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:30 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:28 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:26 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Kurumi wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:19 Kurumi wrote:
Schworz, are You a medic or vigilante?


what? didn't you confirm his DT claim?

Your name is not Schworz.


doubt that he's a vig if you look at the night hits. We're already wondering where all the mafia KPs are at. So you think he's ivy?

That or vet.
Probably Two-Face's bodyguard.


and why the fuck did you confirm his DT claim? to save him? wow.

Of course, why would I let Town die?


hmm. this may be setup speculation, but do you really think we have 0 DTs?

A well-aimed bullet is the best DT.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 13 2012 16:34 GMT
#2814
On February 14 2012 01:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:
If palmar kills me tomorrow he risks losing this game before finding hugo. There is no reason to kill me first unless he has to. Medics can't safe me and if palmar wants to kill me he does that. If we lynch palmar instead we give mafia an additional 3 free KP because we lynched someone who's not mafia to safe 1 (!) guy (that's me).


Wait. Let's assume Palmar keeps you alive and is shooting scum this game, then we have 2 KP at night (well, you two). If we lynch him, we'd have one KP. How does mafia loose 3 KP if we keep him alive?

I do not want to argue here, I just don't get your point.

they don't lose 3KP but we lose a lynch.

If he keep him alive it would be roughly:
Lynch Mafia -> 3 dead townies -> lynch mafia -> 3 dead townies

If we lynch him it's

Lynch Batman to safe me -> 3 dead townies -> lynch mafia -> 3 dead townies

We'd simply waste a cycle and we can't afford to do that right now. Palmar simply can't afford to shoot me right now. He has to kill hugo. Maybe Kurumi is even going to shoot into us because he believes that two-face / penguin have bodyguards as well which would even increase Mafia KP.
There is literally no reason to FIRST shoot me and search hugo afterwards. I'm the safe kill for him right now, he can simply finish the game once hugo is dead afterwards. Therefore I'd also like to lynch rad because if he really is talia palmar has to keep on searching for hugo and can't outright kill me.
Remember mafia don't lose KP unless we kill deadshot / hugo, so they'll probably keep their 3KP for a while.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 13 2012 16:40 GMT
#2815
Palmar is NOT THE BATMAN!!! He's SCUM! Why do you think he's third? Because HE says he's got an unblockable shot? THINK guys! If he claimed that, he'd be claiming third party WHICH WOULD GET HIM MODKILLED. He's selling you a load of bullshit and you're eating it up "because he's Palmar".

Here's my suggestion for the order of operations:

Lynch Palmar
If scum, lynch the fuck out of Toad or anyone else trying to sell the idea that he's Batman
If Batman, lynch the fuck out of Radfield because he's probably Talia

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:41 GMT
#2816
I agree that we have to lynch palmar / radfield.

@Toad: What if we mislynch our only DT? That is even worse. Also, if you're killed at night one and survive otherwise, our batman lynch is backed up with your KP in one night...

Therefore, I go with palmar.

a) radfields name claim
b) I highly doubt we have 0 DTs in this kind of setup (this may be the noob in me speaking)
c) radfield check provided good information, I hope he continues to do so.

Right now, I have no reason to believe Rad lied at any point. Palmar has been doing things all over and I am sure if we mislynch Rad he just claims to not have claimed...He has been trolling all game long.

He will very likely flip batman right now, which would save Toad and give us an extra KP for a long time (assuming that Rad is being RBed)

##vote Palmar
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 13 2012 16:42 GMT
#2817
On February 14 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar is NOT THE BATMAN!!! He's SCUM! Why do you think he's third? Because HE says he's got an unblockable shot? THINK guys! If he claimed that, he'd be claiming third party WHICH WOULD GET HIM MODKILLED. He's selling you a load of bullshit and you're eating it up "because he's Palmar".

Here's my suggestion for the order of operations:

Lynch Palmar
If scum, lynch the fuck out of Toad or anyone else trying to sell the idea that he's Batman
If Batman, lynch the fuck out of Radfield because he's probably Talia



He is probably batman VE.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 13 2012 16:42 GMT
#2818
##Vote: Palmar
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 13 2012 16:46 GMT
#2819
He's not Batman. He's pretty much CLAIMED Batman which is against the rules and playing against the rules isn't something Palmar does.

He's scum. Lynch it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 13 2012 16:46 GMT
#2820
On February 14 2012 01:41 Jayjay54 wrote:
I agree that we have to lynch palmar / radfield.

@Toad: What if we mislynch our only DT? That is even worse. Also, if you're killed at night one and survive otherwise, our batman lynch is backed up with your KP in one night...

Therefore, I go with palmar.

a) radfields name claim
b) I highly doubt we have 0 DTs in this kind of setup (this may be the noob in me speaking)
c) radfield check provided good information, I hope he continues to do so.

Right now, I have no reason to believe Rad lied at any point. Palmar has been doing things all over and I am sure if we mislynch Rad he just claims to not have claimed...He has been trolling all game long.

He will very likely flip batman right now, which would save Toad and give us an extra KP for a long time (assuming that Rad is being RBed)

##vote Palmar


They can simply RB me as well. Why did radfield never get roleblocked but palmar did? If palmar really got roleblocked that's incredible bad for him because he probably has no idea who's hugo yet. He still has to figure that out and is helping us while doing so.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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