Yeah, its a big time commitment, best done when youre on holidays.

Make sure you reread the entire thread after each person is flipped each day and night, factoring in their now-revealed alignment.
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Always question what someones motive is, why are they doing something.

Same advice that was passed to me after my first game, get more aggressive, youll get what your looking for a lot faster. Either youll figure out theyre town, like i did with SS, or youll figure out theyre mafia, like with Chocolate.

jaj22

United Kingdom1376 Posts

February 03 2012 15:57 GMT

#622

I see Probulous was heavily active in the scumQT at the start, so my preferred day 1 lynch wasn't completely groundless

I'm guessing that the Cosmos green read influenced DoYouHas's choice to go for Zarepath on day 2.

Note that town ended night 1 with three blues in the top four night kill targets, and therefore got very lucky with the night actions. The fault is with the vanilla townies for not contributing more. As a vanilla, it's your duty to be townier than anyone else, particularly in a setup where blues are so important. Try to be open, transparent and without fear. In the long run, a wrong accusation is a lot better than no accusation at all.

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 03 2012 16:12 GMT

#623

At class, but when I get home, I will post a more in depth feeling on reads/ect.

Burns

United States2300 Posts

February 03 2012 18:08 GMT

#624

i ended up reading most of the posts during class, i didnt think it would be this bussy but i was still able to read everything

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

February 03 2012 18:37 GMT

#625

On February 03 2012 21:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah, its a big time commitment, best done when youre on holidays.

Make sure you reread the entire thread after each person is flipped each day and night, factoring in their now-revealed alignment.
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Always question what someones motive is, why are they doing something.

Same advice that was passed to me after my first game, get more aggressive, youll get what your looking for a lot faster. Either youll figure out theyre town, like i did with SS, or youll figure out theyre mafia, like with Chocolate.

Thanks for the advice

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

February 03 2012 21:07 GMT

#626

Wow guys you played really well. Sloosh definitely mvp, I wish we had gone after you night 1 but we thought you would be healed.

I definitely sucked, I was afraid to post analysis because I was certain I would make a scumslip and I didn't know exactly what to look for.

CosmosXAM

United States121 Posts

February 03 2012 21:15 GMT

#627

GG guys, I played pretty bad but it was really fun and glad we won :D

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

February 03 2012 21:31 GMT

#628

On February 04 2012 06:07 Chocolate wrote:
Wow guys you played really well. Sloosh definitely mvp, I wish we had gone after you night 1 but we thought you would be healed.

I definitely sucked, I was afraid to post analysis because I was certain I would make a scumslip and I didn't know exactly what to look for.

The trick there is to post your analysis in your scum QT and let your scumbuddies take a look at it before you post it in the thread. When you're mafia, you need to think of your teammates as more of a resource. Your advantage is that you can communicate, so it's important that you do that as much as possible. I liked that your team was carefully discussing defenses and hits, but I was a little disappointed that you weren't checking each others' posts before you made them, especially in the early game. I think doing that would have allowed your members to gain a lot more thread presence, which would have made the loss of zarepath (who represented most of your thread presence) a lot easier to handle. Also, it might have kept zarepath from getting lynched at all.

jaj22

United Kingdom1376 Posts

February 03 2012 22:09 GMT

#629

On February 04 2012 06:31 Qatol wrote:
Also, it might have kept zarepath from getting lynched at all.

There was some delicious irony here:

1. Zarepath defended FakePromise using the argument that if he was scum, his buddies would have helped him more.
2. Zarepath's scumbuddies would surely have modified that FakePromise defence post if they'd seen it beforehand.

slOosh

3291 Posts

February 03 2012 22:33 GMT

#630

Ahaha, I looked at both mafia and obs QTs and it seems that most of my reads were lucky / illogical / confirmation bias (Zarepath, zelblade, Simberto).

I was worried that I might be killed, and since I couldn't heal myself, I tried to act as fearless as possible, hoping to give off a veteran vibe and not get shot. I guess it worked out in a different way than I intended

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I think you could have posted stuff on zelblade or cosmos or simberto or anyone. For instance, I posted a lot of stuff (most of it would turn out wrong) but it is more suspicious to not even try to contribute, which is why I think Adam read you as mafia.

That's my guess anyways. If SacredSystem stopped tunneling Zelblade (leading me to think he was detective and kicking my confirmation bias into overdrive) I would have gone for you with this reasoning.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 04 2012 00:44 GMT

#631

What tipped me over the edge with you Chocolate was when I said "and Bromance or Chocolate as the last scum", you questioned why, I said "general inactivity", then instead of trying to quell my suspicion, you went missing for another 12 hours.

From there i figured pretty quickly that you were indeed mafia, and even further that you were worried that anything you posted was going to be heavily scrutenized. Next time just come out firing, tunnel the crap out of someone.

Take a look at EchelonTee in Wiggles Mini Mafia, he was correctly identified as scum on day 2, in response he chose a target (GiygaS), and just dug right into him. The town convinced themselves that no scum would be so brazen to just hammer into someone like that, that they cleared him and went on to myslynch GiygaS and lose the game.

Still dont see what all of you saw in zarepath to be 100% sure he was scum O.o, I mean he did some scummy things sure, but some of the stuff he was doing flew right in the face of conventional scum play. None of the cases really highlighted why he was so scummy that he needed to die day 2. Hats off to you zarepath, you might have been the first scum dead, but you had me fooled =)

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

February 04 2012 01:07 GMT

#632

I actually had to go to bed haha.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 04 2012 01:10 GMT

#633

Well thanks guys for the advice. Next scum game I will make sure that we read the posts of everyone before that get posted. Any other suggestions. I am fairly certain that after zarepath was lynched there was not much we could do. Chocolate and balt where already targeted which left myself and since we had voted late that made us look really bad.

Any ideas on how to pull that around or is it simply too late? I mean as Jitsu said in our QT by the end of day 1 you could step back and see who was scum pretty clearly. From there on in it was an uphill struggle. I guess the vig shot and town saves really finished us off. I just want to improve for next game and the take home lessons I have so far are

Team Check posts before posting
Be more proactive day 1/2 so you don't end up with everyone on the end of the wagon.

Anything else?

DoYouHas

United States1140 Posts

February 04 2012 01:12 GMT

#634

For most of day one I was wary of zarepath because of his activity without saying much. It was what happened after he defended himself against sl0osh that tipped it for me. There was the "I've done nothing but" statement that rang very false to me. And then the 2 posts bantering with fakepromise right before the lynch just screamed "whew, safe, everything is going to plan" at me. After that I just tore through his filter for any scummy bits to try and build a larger case.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

February 04 2012 01:19 GMT

#635

You have the additional burden of expectation. Ive seen what you can do, so you're going to be held to your meta. I expect big, solid cases, with PICTURES! (haha ok not really)

If I see you on obvious mislyches like FakePromise, i start to worry.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 04 2012 01:23 GMT

#636

le sigh, so yeah day 1 killed us. That was partly why I pushed sloosh to stop the zelblade lynch. I was trying to show that my bad play on day 1/2 was due to me not being around. Too late I guess.

Respect bro, I fear you when I'm scum

EchelonTee

United States5260 Posts

February 04 2012 02:55 GMT

#637

solid game to read through; example of scum not having enough thread presence to win in the later stages.

Probulous, you were so good in your first game (thread presence, logic), that seeing your utter lack of effort here was obvious, if meta comes into play. Having good town play is obviously good, maybe even preferrable, but then you'll need to develop some sort of scum game that doesn't so heavily contradict :p

Clutch medic save was huge deciding point.

Adam, still hard to read. I thought you were being clever scum for a while.

Chocolate, a good way to avoid suspicion, strangely enough, is to be brazen with your reads. State your opinions strongly, even if wrong, and people will notice that you're not afraid. In TL Mafia L I was laughably wrong on my reads, but my committment to my fail reads meant people didn't think I was trying to manipulate the game.

Probulous

Australia3894 Posts

February 04 2012 02:58 GMT

#638

Thanks ET. Maybe I should play a less active role as town so my scum doesn't look so bad. What sucks is that I wanted to participate but couldn't due to time constraints. I think my later play was better and perhaps if I had started like I ended I would have done better.

In essence, I need to metagame myself

Blazinghand

United States25559 Posts

February 04 2012 03:01 GMT

#639

I think it's possible to play an active scum role. I wouldn't ever curtail my town play in some attempt to make my scum meta opaque. Rather, trying to hide in plain sight as Mafia should be what I try to do.

DoYouHas

United States1140 Posts

February 04 2012 03:57 GMT

#640

Well, I had a ton of fun for my first game. Hoping to get into another game soon, but I definitely think I need another newbie game. Will another one be hosted in the near future?