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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 05:45 GMT
#601
Any suggestions for playing as mafia next time? I found it much harder than town and I still don't know what I should have done differently.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 03 2012 05:47 GMT
#602
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 03 2012 05:49 GMT
#603
So... most of the obs thread wanted to hang me for being mafia..

and most of the mafia wanted to shoot me for sinking my teeth into chocolate and not letting go.




Yep, gunna make a tonne of friends around here
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 05:51 GMT
#604
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 05:53 GMT
#605
On February 03 2012 14:49 Adam4167 wrote:
So... most of the obs thread wanted to hang me for being mafia..

and most of the mafia wanted to shoot me for sinking my teeth into chocolate and not letting go.




Yep, gunna make a tonne of friends around here


One of us was right

You play really well as town and I wanted to kill you as soon as you started. Your posts are relatively short but you get to the point and change your reads when relevant information comes to light. The worst thing thought is that you notice stuff that others don't. I knew I wouldn't be able to get you lynched so we had to shoot.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 03 2012 05:54 GMT
#606
On February 03 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.



Well yeah, I know you do make PBPAs and shit, exactly why you saying "I don't like PBPAs" made it very suspicious.
Also you made a PBPA in the same post later against SS I think, which made me think you just said that to gain town cred and nothing else.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
February 03 2012 06:02 GMT
#607
On February 03 2012 14:39 SacredSystem wrote:
ㅈㅈ everyone, that was definitely an experience i wont soon forget

also thank you so much DreamFlower and Qatol

by any chance do you two think you could make it down to the LAN on the 18 and try and set up another live mafia?

We were talking with d3 about putting together an event dedicated only to mafia. That would probably be a bit more fun than just 1 game anyways.

I'll talk to someone like Toren in the next few days and see if he can help organize.
Uff Da
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 06:02 GMT
#608
On February 03 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.



Well yeah, I know you do make PBPAs and shit, exactly why you saying "I don't like PBPAs" made it very suspicious.
Also you made a PBPA in the same post later against SS I think, which made me think you just said that to gain town cred and nothing else.


Well that is funny because I said it when I signed up for the game as well. It is something that I know makes people not read what I write and that is why I am trying to avoid it. Not sure how to go about fixing that.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 03 2012 06:03 GMT
#609
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.


I think it is because you can push a case on pretty much all of them that I was so wary.
I have no idea of an example as this is my first and only forum mafia game, and I think I got the idea as soon as Adam posted that paint picture.

Wrong read on Zelblade and by chance I guess I suspected you hard.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 03 2012 06:05 GMT
#610
So I clearly tunneled Simberto. I wasn't actively posting as much as I should have been. But in general I think I played this game decently. Advice?
Guts? Determination? $5?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 03 2012 06:10 GMT
#611
On February 03 2012 15:02 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.



Well yeah, I know you do make PBPAs and shit, exactly why you saying "I don't like PBPAs" made it very suspicious.
Also you made a PBPA in the same post later against SS I think, which made me think you just said that to gain town cred and nothing else.


Well that is funny because I said it when I signed up for the game as well. It is something that I know makes people not read what I write and that is why I am trying to avoid it. Not sure how to go about fixing that.


So that PBPA you made afterwards was unintentional?

Well, I guess I was lucky to think that made you scummy lol
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 06:11 GMT
#612
On February 03 2012 15:05 DoYouHas wrote:
So I clearly tunneled Simberto. I wasn't actively posting as much as I should have been. But in general I think I played this game decently. Advice?


You were shot night 1 for a reason. You play well, your choice of investigation targets turned out perfectly. The combination of you as DT and Sloosh as Med sunk us. Unfortunately as I was mafia I knew you were town and I knew I couldn't get you lynched after your claim so I was looking elsewhere. That was why I didn't notice your posts, I wasn't looking for them
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 03 2012 06:13 GMT
#613
On February 03 2012 15:10 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 15:02 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.



Well yeah, I know you do make PBPAs and shit, exactly why you saying "I don't like PBPAs" made it very suspicious.
Also you made a PBPA in the same post later against SS I think, which made me think you just said that to gain town cred and nothing else.


Well that is funny because I said it when I signed up for the game as well. It is something that I know makes people not read what I write and that is why I am trying to avoid it. Not sure how to go about fixing that.


So that PBPA you made afterwards was unintentional?

Well, I guess I was lucky to think that made you scummy lol


Yup. I really wanted to stop doing it but it is harder to change than I thought. I decided that it was better to just post how I felt most comfortable. I'm not sure how to get around this. Any ideas?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 03 2012 06:19 GMT
#614
I'm glad that two of my reads were accurate, though I really missed the boat on zarepath at first, and I never really looked hard at Chocolate. It was kind of nice to be pretty sure about balt11t, and then bow out. My endgame tends to be a bit rough around the edges

Looking through the mafia QT, I'm kind of surprised that you guys didn't push me harder early on. It seemed like you were all ready to do it, but I suppose you were okay with letting FakePromise die. I'm not sure how I would have responded under actual pressure :D
Trust in Bayes.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 03 2012 06:22 GMT
#615
Oh yes, that paint picture

I had Chocolate already locked down at that point, I wasnt sure if it was zelblade or Bromance as the 4th mafia, so i just left him out. I was hoping i could sway people away from both Sacred and Simberto with that, but alas, it just ended up making everyone dogpile on him >.>

I was dreading day 4, I was going to have to defend SacredSystem, and boy wouldnt that have been interesting, considering my day 2 play. The whole game I had this nagging thought in the back of my mind that you were scum Bromance, and the only thing I could highlight in a case is that I KNEW FakePromise was going to flip green, before i even subbed in, and if i knew it, both you and Jitsu knew it as well... yet you piled on him anyway. Hence why i was continually jabbing away at both of you, with the comments about not following up MG, or 'lists are scummy bro'.

I cant believe i didnt get more support with lynching chocolate though. He admitted to soft defending zarepath, he was chainsaw defended by zarepath, never posted more then a single line per read. I was facepalming pretty bad on day 3 after simberto was hanged lol, then everyone went back to zelblade, i almost wanted to cry!


Still, thorougly enjoyable game, Im glad i got to sub in, it was an interesting experience, i felt like a bit of an outsider on N1, and I didnt help my case by being stubborn towards sloosh and refusing to post my reads.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
February 03 2012 06:24 GMT
#616
On February 03 2012 15:13 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 15:10 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 15:02 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:54 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:42 Probulous wrote:
On February 03 2012 14:38 slOosh wrote:
I guess its like, there are four people who are suspicious.
And at least two must be town, so there will undoubtably be some town players who are questionable.
So I didn't like the idea of picking off people one by one, as it would be too easy for us to be swayed onto the town guys.

I think I may have made that up to have people start looking at you more as you were my prime suspect along with zelblade. Honestly thought Sacred was newbie detective trying to scrounge up info to lynch Zelblade ><;


That is what I thought but I stand by my reasoning that eventually you have to choose someone. You can narrow the pool as much as you want but ultimately it will be only one. There were others that were questionable. I could have pushed a case (bad ones) on pretty much everybody. When I'm town I work in a similar way.

Can you give me an example of where this worked perfectly? Cause you still had me and zelblade linked when we weren't. I would have defended him if I was in the same position as town.



I knew you were mafia as soon as you said you didn't like PBPA's and confirmation bias

>_>


Yeah I read that. To be honest I really did try and avoid them. You will note that my first case had only two quotes in it. I just cant help myself. It is the way I work through people's posts so that is why I post that way. Maybe next game I will limit myself to only five lines per post or something.



Well yeah, I know you do make PBPAs and shit, exactly why you saying "I don't like PBPAs" made it very suspicious.
Also you made a PBPA in the same post later against SS I think, which made me think you just said that to gain town cred and nothing else.


Well that is funny because I said it when I signed up for the game as well. It is something that I know makes people not read what I write and that is why I am trying to avoid it. Not sure how to go about fixing that.


So that PBPA you made afterwards was unintentional?

Well, I guess I was lucky to think that made you scummy lol


Yup. I really wanted to stop doing it but it is harder to change than I thought. I decided that it was better to just post how I felt most comfortable. I'm not sure how to get around this. Any ideas?



Ehmm, well, now that you were scum I didn't see any reason for you to "stop doing it". Nobody in the thread actually called you on it (I think), so it was very effective of you.


If you are asking what you should do when you are Town instead, well, the only thing I can tell you is to just ignore most of that stuff you analyse on PBPAs.

Like, ignore all the discussions about NL or RL or whatever, ignore specific sentences they say and whether they sound scummy or not. Look at the overall attitutde and behaviour of players.

Also, just for instance as soon as I saw this was a "Newbie Game", I completely ignored every single apologize any player could have done, since hey, this is a newbie game played by newbies. Partly the reason I didn't think zelblade was scum

Then, hell I dunno. I had figured out some stuff about Chocolate's play (I was sure he was scum since the beginning), but I forgot :p




On February 03 2012 15:11 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 15:05 DoYouHas wrote:
So I clearly tunneled Simberto. I wasn't actively posting as much as I should have been. But in general I think I played this game decently. Advice?


You were shot night 1 for a reason. You play well, your choice of investigation targets turned out perfectly. The combination of you as DT and Sloosh as Med sunk us. Unfortunately as I was mafia I knew you were town and I knew I couldn't get you lynched after your claim so I was looking elsewhere. That was why I didn't notice your posts, I wasn't looking for them



To be honest, he did get 3 TOWN CHECKS, and not a single scum check >_>

However, his DT play coupled with slooshes Medic play synced perfectly.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 08:56:55
February 03 2012 08:51 GMT
#617
e: nevermind, took another look at the setup
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 03 2012 09:57 GMT
#618
slOosh awesome medic heals :D
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 03 2012 10:02 GMT
#619
I must say the choices made by the blue players this game contributed quite well to a devastating town win.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 03 2012 10:29 GMT
#620
Nice we won :D

Sorry for playing so badly. Apparently it isn't a gpod idea to play forum mafia in the middle of the school term when I have exams near =/

And lol @ I and ss tunneling each other all day. Any tips on how I could get better? That was pretty fun even tho I sucked and would love to play again when I have more free time.

Thanks to dreamflower and qatol for hosting, and everyone else for the great game :D
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