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On January 30 2012 23:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
That's a lot of words, considering I still have no idea what you were saying on the post you pointed out. Also rather interesting standard for pointless question you have there: apparently asking someone opinion on other players is pointless while someone stating she feel something off about one of your posts requires a full dignified response xD
Agreed.
I know I'm suspecting people on rad's wagon, but he's a good player. I wouldn't lynch him d1. Also, he felt obviously town to me so I couldn't really understand why all those people were on him.
Reasons I think bum is scum:
On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote:
Bum I don't like. He's been saying things that I really think aren't good for us, but radfield pointed some of it out earlier. Now, I'm not terribly good at reading bum, but he's realllllllllly rubbing me the wrong way. Especially after iso'ing him.
I was avoiding parroting rad here.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down: * He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?
Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.
I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie. If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum"He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them. He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless. These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case.
This doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Sure, he was trying to avoid getting me lynched, but...
On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.
Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.
He shouldn't want to lynch someone he has no proper read on over me. That's something that feels scummy. If he thinks I'm wishywashy as both town and scum, why would he bother lynching people with no proper reads over me? I can't make sense of that as it's illogical. I would have been a better lynch than radfield as he's a much much much better scumhunter than I am.
On January 29 2012 03:59 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 21:38 Refallen wrote:Ok, so right off the bat, he buddies Meapak in trying to lynch Radfield, by claiming that he's breadcrumbing... but he breadcrumbs I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake? here too, Then when radfield calls him out on it, Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba. What is this? He actually claims that he is breadcrumbing, and the reason for that is so that he "dosen't get shot"? Does this not scream I AM SLEEPER AGENT DON'T SHOOT ME to you? It does for me. I wouldn't make this blatant a breadcrumb that can be misinterpretted so easily. The second post is a joke. Keep digging in your sandbox, and I'll give you actual methods of catching scum in the mean-time. If scum shoot me for whatever reason, you don't go searching radfield's voters for scum, or at least not the early ones. Radfield was far from a clear town, so I think most scum would be too pussy to act on lynching him until later. Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote. That's all I have for now, but I'll be active in the beginning of the day later. End of night happens right as I leave work, so I can't really catch new developments 
Jokes can still be used as crumbsssssss! The bolded is something I feel is WIFOM. You could be that blatant as scum because "oh, no one would ever actually suspect me because that would be stupid for scum to do."
In this post, he says "Rad was far from clear town." But he also says "Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote."
It feels to me like he was trying to avoid people looking at rad's wagon.
Some people have done that. I thought rad was town, and as such, I did look back at the wagon, as did a couple others (red, etc).
On January 29 2012 14:35 bumatlarge wrote:Hopefully this isn't a downward slope. I'll give you a hint, there is a reason everyone has called cwave scummy, and I am tied in votes with him. 
This post is scummy. Deflecting attention off himself and onto Cwave when Cwave wasn't going to be lynched today, and with no reason. You can't just deflect off yourself and onto someone else with no substance. I think the winking face throws me off, but I don't understand why he posted this.
It seems to me bum had some idea about rad being an inception agent, refused to say anything, and let him get lynched whilst being on his wagon:
On January 30 2012 15:36 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 05:33 Hesmyrr wrote:Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. ( #) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? ( #) However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post. On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.
bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?
Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well. It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post. On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why. On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate informationSo this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia. Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that. It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave. If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about: On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote:Meh it's radfield's fault  Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched. Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end. Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum. ##Vote bumatlargeAlso I still think CWave is VI. Oh you filthy whore! People are voting me so I'm explaining why I had no qualms as town to oust radfield. If I said your lame excuse, that wouldn't be helping town. It sounds good? LOL that usually means it's true. You haven't touched on the actual substance of my reasoning, you are just guessing on why it could make me scum. The only thing that is hard to differentiate is if you really think I'm scum, or you are mafia, and either way you benefit from this. Please pay close attention to hesmyrr if I get lynched. Cwave being VI is probably the single most bullshit thing I have heard in the past few months. Zero explanation for it. Also, people using breadcrumbs as a legitimate way to catch scum on the first day-
Bum's response to hesmyrr is overkill. His reply to my not liking him saying it was rad's fault was also overkill. The things Hesmyrr said about my pointing it out are things I agree with strongly.
On January 30 2012 15:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.  You guys make me mad. Also my backspace key gets stuck so I have to avoid the habit of pressing it or it start to erase my whole post.
This post literally made no sense in the place in the thread it was. I don't really understand why he even bothered saying it. Why were we making him mad? Because we thought he's scum?
He says a lot of the things people ask are pointless which is kind of silly, because it helps to generate discussion, which is important to the game of mafia.
Tell me if you want more out of me, Cwave. Moving onto my reasons for you now.
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Vote Count!
Cwave (2): Bumatlarge, GGQ
Bumatlarge (7): Lanaia, Navillus, RedFF, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Refallen, Scamp
GGQ (2): Vaderseven, Cwave
Refallen (2): Jackal58, Blazinghand
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On January 31 2012 05:41 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
That's a lot of words, considering I still have no idea what you were saying on the post you pointed out. Also rather interesting standard for pointless question you have there: apparently asking someone opinion on other players is pointless while someone stating she feel something off about one of your posts requires a full dignified response xD Agreed. I know I'm suspecting people on rad's wagon, but he's a good player. I wouldn't lynch him d1. Also, he felt obviously town to me so I couldn't really understand why all those people were on him. Reasons I think bum is scum: Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote:
Bum I don't like. He's been saying things that I really think aren't good for us, but radfield pointed some of it out earlier. Now, I'm not terribly good at reading bum, but he's realllllllllly rubbing me the wrong way. Especially after iso'ing him. I was avoiding parroting rad here. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down: * He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?
Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.
I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie. If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum"He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them. He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless. These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case. This doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Sure, he was trying to avoid getting me lynched, but... Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.
Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. He shouldn't want to lynch someone he has no proper read on over me. That's something that feels scummy. If he thinks I'm wishywashy as both town and scum, why would he bother lynching people with no proper reads over me? I can't make sense of that as it's illogical. I would have been a better lynch than radfield as he's a much much much better scumhunter than I am. Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 03:59 bumatlarge wrote:On January 28 2012 21:38 Refallen wrote:Ok, so right off the bat, he buddies Meapak in trying to lynch Radfield, by claiming that he's breadcrumbing... but he breadcrumbs I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake? here too, Then when radfield calls him out on it, Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba. What is this? He actually claims that he is breadcrumbing, and the reason for that is so that he "dosen't get shot"? Does this not scream I AM SLEEPER AGENT DON'T SHOOT ME to you? It does for me. I wouldn't make this blatant a breadcrumb that can be misinterpretted so easily. The second post is a joke. Keep digging in your sandbox, and I'll give you actual methods of catching scum in the mean-time. If scum shoot me for whatever reason, you don't go searching radfield's voters for scum, or at least not the early ones. Radfield was far from a clear town, so I think most scum would be too pussy to act on lynching him until later. Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote. That's all I have for now, but I'll be active in the beginning of the day later. End of night happens right as I leave work, so I can't really catch new developments Jokes can still be used as crumbsssssss! The bolded is something I feel is WIFOM. You could be that blatant as scum because "oh, no one would ever actually suspect me because that would be stupid for scum to do." In this post, he says "Rad was far from clear town." But he also says "Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote." It feels to me like he was trying to avoid people looking at rad's wagon. Some people have done that. I thought rad was town, and as such, I did look back at the wagon, as did a couple others (red, etc). Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 14:35 bumatlarge wrote:Hopefully this isn't a downward slope. I'll give you a hint, there is a reason everyone has called cwave scummy, and I am tied in votes with him. This post is scummy. Deflecting attention off himself and onto Cwave when Cwave wasn't going to be lynched today, and with no reason. You can't just deflect off yourself and onto someone else with no substance. I think the winking face throws me off, but I don't understand why he posted this. It seems to me bum had some idea about rad being an inception agent, refused to say anything, and let him get lynched whilst being on his wagon: Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 15:36 bumatlarge wrote:On January 30 2012 05:33 Hesmyrr wrote:Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. ( #) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? ( #) However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post. On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.
bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?
Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well. It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post. On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why. On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate informationSo this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia. Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that. It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave. If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about: On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote:Meh it's radfield's fault Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched. Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end. Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum. ##Vote bumatlargeAlso I still think CWave is VI. Oh you filthy whore! People are voting me so I'm explaining why I had no qualms as town to oust radfield. If I said your lame excuse, that wouldn't be helping town. It sounds good? LOL that usually means it's true. You haven't touched on the actual substance of my reasoning, you are just guessing on why it could make me scum. The only thing that is hard to differentiate is if you really think I'm scum, or you are mafia, and either way you benefit from this. Please pay close attention to hesmyrr if I get lynched. Cwave being VI is probably the single most bullshit thing I have heard in the past few months. Zero explanation for it. Also, people using breadcrumbs as a legitimate way to catch scum on the first day- Bum's response to hesmyrr is overkill. His reply to my not liking him saying it was rad's fault was also overkill. The things Hesmyrr said about my pointing it out are things I agree with strongly. Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 15:49 bumatlarge wrote:On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. You guys make me mad. Also my backspace key gets stuck so I have to avoid the habit of pressing it or it start to erase my whole post. This post literally made no sense in the place in the thread it was. I don't really understand why he even bothered saying it. Why were we making him mad? Because we thought he's scum? He says a lot of the things people ask are pointless which is kind of silly, because it helps to generate discussion, which is important to the game of mafia. Tell me if you want more out of me, Cwave. Moving onto my reasons for you now.
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On January 31 2012 05:41 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 23:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
That's a lot of words, considering I still have no idea what you were saying on the post you pointed out. Also rather interesting standard for pointless question you have there: apparently asking someone opinion on other players is pointless while someone stating she feel something off about one of your posts requires a full dignified response xD Agreed. I know I'm suspecting people on rad's wagon, but he's a good player. I wouldn't lynch him d1. Also, he felt obviously town to me so I couldn't really understand why all those people were on him. Reasons I think bum is scum: Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote:
Bum I don't like. He's been saying things that I really think aren't good for us, but radfield pointed some of it out earlier. Now, I'm not terribly good at reading bum, but he's realllllllllly rubbing me the wrong way. Especially after iso'ing him. I was avoiding parroting rad here. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down: * He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?
Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.
I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie. If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum"He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them. He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless. These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case. This doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Sure, he was trying to avoid getting me lynched, but... Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.
Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. He shouldn't want to lynch someone he has no proper read on over me. That's something that feels scummy. If he thinks I'm wishywashy as both town and scum, why would he bother lynching people with no proper reads over me? I can't make sense of that as it's illogical. I would have been a better lynch than radfield as he's a much much much better scumhunter than I am. Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 03:59 bumatlarge wrote:On January 28 2012 21:38 Refallen wrote:Ok, so right off the bat, he buddies Meapak in trying to lynch Radfield, by claiming that he's breadcrumbing... but he breadcrumbs I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake? here too, Then when radfield calls him out on it, Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba. What is this? He actually claims that he is breadcrumbing, and the reason for that is so that he "dosen't get shot"? Does this not scream I AM SLEEPER AGENT DON'T SHOOT ME to you? It does for me. I wouldn't make this blatant a breadcrumb that can be misinterpretted so easily. The second post is a joke. Keep digging in your sandbox, and I'll give you actual methods of catching scum in the mean-time. If scum shoot me for whatever reason, you don't go searching radfield's voters for scum, or at least not the early ones. Radfield was far from a clear town, so I think most scum would be too pussy to act on lynching him until later. Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote. That's all I have for now, but I'll be active in the beginning of the day later. End of night happens right as I leave work, so I can't really catch new developments Jokes can still be used as crumbsssssss! The bolded is something I feel is WIFOM. You could be that blatant as scum because "oh, no one would ever actually suspect me because that would be stupid for scum to do." In this post, he says "Rad was far from clear town." But he also says "Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote." It feels to me like he was trying to avoid people looking at rad's wagon. Some people have done that. I thought rad was town, and as such, I did look back at the wagon, as did a couple others (red, etc). Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 14:35 bumatlarge wrote:Hopefully this isn't a downward slope. I'll give you a hint, there is a reason everyone has called cwave scummy, and I am tied in votes with him. This post is scummy. Deflecting attention off himself and onto Cwave when Cwave wasn't going to be lynched today, and with no reason. You can't just deflect off yourself and onto someone else with no substance. I think the winking face throws me off, but I don't understand why he posted this. It seems to me bum had some idea about rad being an inception agent, refused to say anything, and let him get lynched whilst being on his wagon: Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 15:36 bumatlarge wrote:On January 30 2012 05:33 Hesmyrr wrote:Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. ( #) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? ( #) However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post. On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.
bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?
Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well. It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post. On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why. On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate informationSo this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia. Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that. It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave. If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about: On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote:Meh it's radfield's fault Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched. Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end. Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum. ##Vote bumatlargeAlso I still think CWave is VI. Oh you filthy whore! People are voting me so I'm explaining why I had no qualms as town to oust radfield. If I said your lame excuse, that wouldn't be helping town. It sounds good? LOL that usually means it's true. You haven't touched on the actual substance of my reasoning, you are just guessing on why it could make me scum. The only thing that is hard to differentiate is if you really think I'm scum, or you are mafia, and either way you benefit from this. Please pay close attention to hesmyrr if I get lynched. Cwave being VI is probably the single most bullshit thing I have heard in the past few months. Zero explanation for it. Also, people using breadcrumbs as a legitimate way to catch scum on the first day- Bum's response to hesmyrr is overkill. His reply to my not liking him saying it was rad's fault was also overkill. The things Hesmyrr said about my pointing it out are things I agree with strongly. Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 15:49 bumatlarge wrote:On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. You guys make me mad. Also my backspace key gets stuck so I have to avoid the habit of pressing it or it start to erase my whole post. This post literally made no sense in the place in the thread it was. I don't really understand why he even bothered saying it. Why were we making him mad? Because we thought he's scum? He says a lot of the things people ask are pointless which is kind of silly, because it helps to generate discussion, which is important to the game of mafia. Tell me if you want more out of me, Cwave. Moving onto my reasons for you now.
Why should he want to lynch you over somebody he doesn't have a solid read on when he doesn't have a solid read on you?
It that a confession?
And sorry about the above post I hist post instead of bold.
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Cwave, the first thing about you that made you feel scummy to me was the way you reacted to radfield's list. It was over the top,
On January 26 2012 21:56 Cwave wrote:
Although Radfield's his posts screams scum i agree on the point that someone who get's a label town from us all is just very likely to get votes from the scumteam. We all have to prevent that, more so early on. Later on, we hopefully get some reads from our DT on scum.
Look who didn't elaborate on why he said rad's posts scream scum? Tell me, does this seem contradictory? I'd say so.
On January 26 2012 23:59 Cwave wrote:
No Radfield, i don't agree with your entire post and your bad wording which makes you seem like a piece of scum trying to hard.
That doesn't mean i don't agree with one of the points you raised(about outing our confirmed town).
On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 23:37 Radfield wrote:
Almost Certainly Town
X
Y
Z
Likely Town
A
B
C
Leaning Town
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3
Null
H-P
Scummy
Fee
Fie
Foe
Fum
Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield
Your first thought was "oh, this can help scum." Why wouldn't scum just say "Wiggles town, Rad blue." to eliminate the need for such a code?
On January 27 2012 00:43 Cwave wrote:
SLEEPER AGENT:
As a young child, you were constantly reminded of your mission. Every day, you would wake up and stare down the picture on your bedside table: your target, President Qatol. You moved to his hometown and were preparing to kill him, when ANOTHER Sleeper Cell did it for you! You were confused about what to do next, so you moved to New York, only to recieve instructions about your new target, Hot_Bid! You know there are redacted other Cell Members. You do not know any of the other Cell member's identities. Each night, you will leave a message naming the 2 players you believe should be killed in a dead drop (mine and GreYMist's pm inbox). The player with the most votes will be killed. If there is a tie, I will RNG the result. You may broadcast a message of redacted words/characters each cycle (so dawn and dusk) by PMing your message to myself and GreYMist. You receive all Broadcasts.
5 word max.
Example
Cwave A Blazinghand 2 Penis
Am i really the only one who sees a problem in this and that he did that on purpose?
I felt it wasn't reasonable to assume that you'd assume it was five words given that it was stated communication was changing in this game?
On January 27 2012 01:13 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 01:06 Lanaia wrote:
Why would they waste a word by saying penis.
How do you even know if they only have 5 words? It says redacted words in the OP. Why do you think it's only five words? I don't know for sure as it's an assumption based on the first sleeper cell game. Or do you think with this setup that scum will be allowed to write long stories to eachother?
I never said they were going to be able to write long stories, but saying that when I say "why are you assuming it's only five words" doesn't mean "I think they're going to have a long story session."
You were picking and choosing in regards to what VI meant. Tip: When looking for terms in regards to mafia, mafiascum wiki is definitely a better idea than most anywhere else. The place you looked is terrible. Alternatively, you could have waited til someone posted it in thread. That isn't scummy by itself, but it looked like you were trying to actively avoid a lynch. You ignored the line directly before that in the wiki. "The Cobbler,[32] "Village Idiot", or Jester has the objective of convincing the town to kill him, or is required to vote in favor of all proposed lynchings."
Like blazinghand said, your accusations were mostly unsupported: the same thing you've been getting mad at me for.
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....
But it wasn't even partly your fault for voting him, was it?
I didn't intend to lie as you put it. I'd thought I'd posted something more about it, but apparently it hadn't gone through. Your reactions to accusation are subpar at best. You seem to only be out for your best interests.
It feels like you panicked when people accused you. It's like you're bum-lite.
That all being said, I like how you're attempting to pressure GGQ. Too bad it won't get him to talk.
ALSO REDFF PLAY NICE. In reading Cwave's iso, I've seen you've been more than hostile. BE NICE.
FTR I often mention if I'm not going to be here because I hate being accused of lurking when real life is preventing me from posting.
GGQ GET BACK OVER HERE PLEASE.
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@Jackal it felt like he was saying he wasn't going to get a read on me, which I've seen lots of people vote people for before well before lylo because eliminating players you're not going to be sure of, which was how I interpreted it, is typically a better way to go than to risk mislynching people who are better.
Not a confession. Not even close.
I suppose I interpreted that particular post wrong. It just felt weird he wanted to lynch people he didn't have a proper read on and were much further away from a lynch than I was.
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Did you think I was joking when I said I had no time to chat?
Sorry but I think it's honestly pretty obvious at this point. The people that are scummiest are the people that everyone is talking about lynching.
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On January 31 2012 05:17 Cwave wrote:
##vote: GGQ
As for he has no post, lurks after announcing it and tries to get people to sheep onto me without any bloody reason.
If Lanaia can't come up with something usefull other then "kinda" tomorrow she is next on my lynch list.
I've given the reason, it hasn't changed.
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Looks like I survive today.
Fwiw I dont think Lanaia or blazinghand is town.
Gonna write up a case when I get back from school! Stay tuned!
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Night 2
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URGENT NEWS UPDATE!
We interrupt your regular scheduled program to bring you this urgent news update! Reports are streaming in regarding riots that are beginning to break out down town in regards to the current sleeper cell incident. We have confirmation of at least one death so far. Bumatlarge was unfortunately trapped in a fire that engulfed his entire building. No one else was killed in that fire, but citizens are urged to stay indoors for the remainder of the night and alert local police if you notice any suspicious activity.
Bumatlarge, The Honest Citizen, was lynched!
OHAI THERE
MWUAHAHAHA
IM IN UR DOCS
RUININ UR POASTS
well shit
SILENCE DEMON!
Final Vote count!
Cwave (2): Bumatlarge, GGQ
Bumatlarge (7): Lanaia, Navillus, RedFF, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Refallen, Scamp
GGQ (2): Vaderseven, Cwave
Refallen (2): Jackal58, Blazinghand
It is now Night 2, Please get all your night actions in to both GreYMisT and iGrok. Night ends in 24 hours. The deadline is Wednesday, Feb 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Okay...
Okay.....
OKAY...
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
No seriously, WHAT THE FUCK
I'm sorry to say that to ya bum, but for someone with so many games played you seriously SUCKED. I was sure you were scum LOL
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So, tomorrow we lynch Cwave?
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Okay, I really didn't expect that. :/ Really didn't. That wasn't what I'd expect of townbum at all.
On a side note, I'm liking the flavour.
I won't be around at end of night, I will be writing an exam.
Refallen, it's cool if you think I'm scum, but why does that bear anything on blazinghand's alignment in a game where scum doesn't know who scum is?
Zeph, let's wait til tomorrow to discuss that.
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On January 31 2012 09:05 Lanaia wrote:
Okay, I really didn't expect that. :/ Really didn't. That wasn't what I'd expect of townbum at all.
On a side note, I'm liking the flavour.
I won't be around at end of night, I will be writing an exam.
Refallen, it's cool if you think I'm scum, but why does that bear anything on blazinghand's alignment in a game where scum doesn't know who scum is?
Zeph, let's wait til tomorrow to discuss that.
Your side note is acknowledged and accepted
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I was so sure about scumatlarge.
Could he have been framed?
I think I'll just sleep this one off first before I do anything else.
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Ah that sucks, I was 100% sure... honestly though it doesn't change much given the setup, personally I would like a blazinghand lynch but given this shift and what looks like support for 1 of CWave I would be fine lynching him as well.
On another note I'm having a really tough time getting a read on Lanaia.
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On January 31 2012 09:28 redFF wrote:
Jackal tomorrow.
You'd be better off shooting me tonight scum.
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Don't feel bad
when you lynch rad
Don't feel glum
when you lynch bum
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On January 31 2012 09:11 Scamp wrote:
I was so sure about scumatlarge.
Could he have been framed?
I think I'll just sleep this one off first before I do anything else.
Lynch town, leave completely stupid post thereafter.
DING DING DING DING
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