EPTGonzaw analysis continues
On January 06 2012 11:55 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
....what?
Okay, first things first: this is a GAME
Even if you say you "suck" at it and make "town" pay or something, try and get better at it.
Make it like a New Year's Resolution: I'll be good at TL mafia.
You are actually making it worse for us this way.
You will make us waste all of D2 because you want us to lynch you there.
If you are town, we will not find any scum because of it.
If you are town, and you act "scummy" and such, it would be better to misslynch you if you fight and defend yourself than lynch you just because you are a burden or something. In the first case we can get more info actually.
If you are scum, then maybe you just don't like being under so much pressure, so you acted like you "surrendered", and maybe even ask for a replacement because you are coming under too much fire.
Whatever the case (if you are town or scum)., you are not doing us any favour, and you are not doing any favours to yourself, so regain yourself goddammit!
EBWOP:
....what?
Okay, first things first: this is a GAME
Even if you say you "suck" at it and make "town" pay or something, try and get better at it.
Make it like a New Year's Resolution: I'll be good at TL mafia.
You are actually making it worse for us this way.
You will make us waste all of D2 because you want us to lynch you there.
If you are town, we will not find any scum because of it.
If you are town, and you act "scummy" and such, it would be better to misslynch you if you fight and defend yourself than lynch you just because you are a burden or something. In the first case we can get more info actually.
If you are scum, then maybe you just don't like being under so much pressure, so you acted like you "surrendered", and maybe even ask for a replacement because you are coming under too much fire.
Whatever the case (if you are town or scum)., you are not doing us any favour, and you are not doing any favours to yourself, so regain yourself goddammit!
Keeps going about on how Cats's game sucks whether he is mafia or not --> "Don't take notice of him, he's just bad"
When in reality, the mastermind plan has just started...
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On January 07 2012 05:34 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, I expected you to do better than this.
This was already said, nothing new.
So here you state that some people are lurking, and didn't post nor vote...
Do you think we don't know that? Tunkeg, this info here is absolutely useless.
You are not saying anything new
This was stated by Prob and me too.
Again, you are not saying anything new.
Yes, this is WIFOM, and very bad at it.
Do you know how many games I played where some scum forgot about the game, disappeared and was modkilled?
It's not "scum always pay attention to the game". If a certain player is busy, or doesn't care about the game in the first place, he won't care about the game whether he's town or scum.
They don't have to be "clever scum" to be inactive.
Hell, that's even the opposite of "clever scum", they have all the pressure and eyes on them, they eventually have to get here to not get modkilled and they have A LOT to respond to. They also have a chance of getting DT checked, or even getting policy lynched. This sounds pretty stupid to me if they are scum (and doing it on purpose); so what you said doesn't make any sense.
Really Tunkeg, you were giving me a town feel, but this post is a mess and screams fluff and regurgitation everywhere.
What the hell?
Tunkeg, I expected you to do better than this.
This was already said, nothing new.
So here you state that some people are lurking, and didn't post nor vote...
Do you think we don't know that? Tunkeg, this info here is absolutely useless.
You are not saying anything new
This was stated by Prob and me too.
Again, you are not saying anything new.
Yes, this is WIFOM, and very bad at it.
Do you know how many games I played where some scum forgot about the game, disappeared and was modkilled?
It's not "scum always pay attention to the game". If a certain player is busy, or doesn't care about the game in the first place, he won't care about the game whether he's town or scum.
They don't have to be "clever scum" to be inactive.
Hell, that's even the opposite of "clever scum", they have all the pressure and eyes on them, they eventually have to get here to not get modkilled and they have A LOT to respond to. They also have a chance of getting DT checked, or even getting policy lynched. This sounds pretty stupid to me if they are scum (and doing it on purpose); so what you said doesn't make any sense.
Really Tunkeg, you were giving me a town feel, but this post is a mess and screams fluff and regurgitation everywhere.
What the hell?
Time to start blaming the next townie. But he ends up being too clever -> He has to be killed.
Then you keep posting back and forth with Tunkeg arguing useless crap to keep him occupied until you get him killed.
Very pro-town play.... eh?
On January 08 2012 10:31 gonzaw wrote:
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I had a null read on him until you posted your case, in which case I now have a scum read on him.
You posted your case on him after you posed that question, so my answer was about what I thought of him at that point in time.
I don't get how that could be misinterpreted.
And yes, Sheth hasn't really been accused until now, his response can make us change our minds or make us more assured if he's scum. And I think we can notice if he's trying to "cast doubt" on what you've written.
However I won't be around to see it.
I'm going out now, and tomorrow as soon as I wake up I'll be going out of town for like 1-2 days, so I won't be around until that time.
I hope I get back before it's too late on Day 3 though.
So fuck Sheth, I was waiting for his response, but I need to make a placeholder vote, and the case against him is the best we have at the moment IMO, considering Blurry is ignoring me and Xeris just disappeared off the face of the Earth.
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth
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I had a null read on him until you posted your case, in which case I now have a scum read on him.
You posted your case on him after you posed that question, so my answer was about what I thought of him at that point in time.
I don't get how that could be misinterpreted.
And yes, Sheth hasn't really been accused until now, his response can make us change our minds or make us more assured if he's scum. And I think we can notice if he's trying to "cast doubt" on what you've written.
However I won't be around to see it.
I'm going out now, and tomorrow as soon as I wake up I'll be going out of town for like 1-2 days, so I won't be around until that time.
I hope I get back before it's too late on Day 3 though.
So fuck Sheth, I was waiting for his response, but I need to make a placeholder vote, and the case against him is the best we have at the moment IMO, considering Blurry is ignoring me and Xeris just disappeared off the face of the Earth.
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth
Oh, the mighty Probu mindcontrols even the mafia. "I strongly believe that my scumbuddy is scum after reading your case."
You all scum certainly kept sucking up to him trying to stay safer that way. And here you do your brilliant move. Placeholder vote so that you won't be suspected at all if your scumbuddy dies. I think you had planning on sacrificing someone all along? Unfortunately for you it came sooner than expected due to Probu's N1 check. (Brilliant move, thanks for believing in me!), but you managed to talk your way out of any responsibility. How are you supposed to get any kind of read on a placeholder vote?
On January 10 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
Fuck yeah we got scum!
Okay people, I'm back but only for 1 hour or less..
I'll try to reread everything that went on as fast as I can...
Fuck yeah we got scum!
Okay people, I'm back but only for 1 hour or less..
I'll try to reread everything that went on as fast as I can...
Looks so genuinely happy.... not.
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On January 10 2012 11:36 gonzaw wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUU...
Sorry guys, I don't have time, I'm almost on the hour mark and I've barely even finished reading the thread.
I'll respond as I see fit though.
Also, tomorrow I'll be back earlier (I'll go to the same cyber, for more time if I can), so I'll address everything else there.
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...WTF is this WIFOM shit?
Yes that's a waste of time unless you are backing it up with analysis.
And now I was suspicious for wanting to take the WIFOM out of the way early so it doesn't clog up the thread later, sheez...
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What about the "I'm going away from town" did you not get?
Unexpected things IRL happen, I can't choose not to do them.
I will come back tomorrow at around 6pm GMT or something, and around 1am GMT of the next day I'll be home so I can pay full attention to this game again.
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For fucks sake.
I'm away, I HAD to make a placeholder vote, what the fuck do you want me to do?
I can't fucking believe I'm "suspicious" or something because of some shitty WIFOM from Jitsu's death and because I went inactive.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CASE AGAINST ME READ MY FILTER AND DO IT GODDAMMIT!!!!!
I won't stand for this WIFOM shit, not at this point of the game.
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Wtf is this?
So you won't even attempt to respond to my posts?
You say you are going by "your gut"?
Wtf?
Also, I'll reread that "I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start" thing tomorrow when I check everybody's filter.
I'll check the Cat situation too.
Also, (maybe I'm late to this but whatever) everybody saying Blurry is town because he bussed Sheth "too early" or something is a fucking useless WIFOMist.
Sheth's flip doesn't mean Blurry is town, doesn't mean I'm town, and doesn't mean Prob is town.
FUUUUUUUUUU...
Sorry guys, I don't have time, I'm almost on the hour mark and I've barely even finished reading the thread.
I'll respond as I see fit though.
Also, tomorrow I'll be back earlier (I'll go to the same cyber, for more time if I can), so I'll address everything else there.
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On January 10 2012 10:23 Probulous wrote:
I think Jitsu was on to something here. He was adamant that Cats was scum and had changed his position on Blurry. If we assume he was sure Cats was scum and believed Blurry is town that leaves one scum in the following list
Here is what he had to say about Xeris and Gretorp
A solid null read and his thoughts on Bkrow amounted to
Hardly suspicion. So what does this mean? It means taking a good look at Gonz and Cats.
WIFOM alert, which is more likely?
Scum knew I was iffy about Cats and that Jitsu would be the one pushing his case, so they shot him.
Or
Jitsu had correctly noticed in Gonz's filter and scum quickly shot him to stop suspicion of Gonz?
Or
We have no fucking clue and this is a waste of time?
Bk, you are in that list and have at least been posting so, what do you make of this?
I think Jitsu was on to something here. He was adamant that Cats was scum and had changed his position on Blurry. If we assume he was sure Cats was scum and believed Blurry is town that leaves one scum in the following list
- Gonzaw
- AnxiousHippo/Bkrow
- Gretorp/Paper
- Xeris/kronhjort
Here is what he had to say about Xeris and Gretorp
A solid null read and his thoughts on Bkrow amounted to
Hardly suspicion. So what does this mean? It means taking a good look at Gonz and Cats.
WIFOM alert, which is more likely?
Scum knew I was iffy about Cats and that Jitsu would be the one pushing his case, so they shot him.
Or
Jitsu had correctly noticed in Gonz's filter and scum quickly shot him to stop suspicion of Gonz?
Or
We have no fucking clue and this is a waste of time?
Bk, you are in that list and have at least been posting so, what do you make of this?
...WTF is this WIFOM shit?
Yes that's a waste of time unless you are backing it up with analysis.
And now I was suspicious for wanting to take the WIFOM out of the way early so it doesn't clog up the thread later, sheez...
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On January 08 2012 11:58 CatsnHats wrote:@Sheth you're exactly right. I'm ghosting on Prob's analysis of you. Gonzaw ghosted on it too and has already put a placeholder vote on you. I REALLY don't like that. He says that your words in your defense could have an effect on changing his mind, but that he won't be around to see it. WHAT IS THAT? This is a really important time in this game. We really need a lynch on mafia. That doesn't sit well with me.
What about the "I'm going away from town" did you not get?
Unexpected things IRL happen, I can't choose not to do them.
I will come back tomorrow at around 6pm GMT or something, and around 1am GMT of the next day I'll be home so I can pay full attention to this game again.
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On January 09 2012 08:48 Cephiro wrote:
I am yet not sure what to think of you, but at least you are right in one thing whether you are a townie, or mafia trying to gain town-cred.
I'll admit I maybe should have done that, but I didn't want to give the mafia a chance to no-lynch, nor give someone the impression that I was trying to jack the vote towards a no-lynch (pro-mafia play). But today, we lynch scum. Because we're going to lynch Sheth.
Once I read the bolded, I knew we were going in the right direction today. Finally more people would realize the killer that hided behind the manner.
And once I saw Probu's case of the D2 on Sheth, especially considering he is probably the strongest town read for many. (Which no-one should take for granted!), I got the feeling that today is the day the first scum falls.
This is a very weird post for me. You have been trying so hard to provide content and analysis yourself earlier, but now you went from a null read to scum read just because of Probu's post? I admit that Probu posts good and convincing cases, but please people, think for yourselves too! If he's the one controlling the game with his analysis with everyone just jumping on the bandwagon, in the case he is mafia we're fucked. I am not saying he is, I got a town-read on him myself at the moment, but don't take it for granted!
Anyway, this post made me more curious, I will have to read through gonzaw's filter again soon.
From your response to Probu's analysis about you.
We're not acting extra-mean to anyone. Could you provide some back-up for your claims of Cats being townie? All you say is the bolded, which is basically nothing. His posts and what not? But you obviously want to keep pressure on him, when you just said that sort of non-stop pressure almost made a townie suicide? Contradictory. Protection of scumbuddy, failed.
No matter how well you know them, I doubt you can know if they are mafia or town by 3-4 pretty much oneliner posts about promising more. Or then you're one heck of a mindreader. I still don't get why you are protecting them so hard.
Admittingly it's impossible to make a case on them on anything else than lurking, and if they are townies then they are making the game considerably harder for us :/ Hopefully we'll get replacements soon.
A DT for a mafia is a good trade? Certainly not this early in the game. How can you be sure someone is DT if another person would counterclaim? You were fishing for blue roles earlier, are you afraid of the chance a medic could block your night-kills?
At this point you seem fairly suspicious of Sheth. Why do you suddenly find him so town? You keep changing your minds on everyone, I just don't understand what the hell is going on in your head. Either you are the most confused player ever, or then you're clever mafia trying to get back in by confusing everyone and trying to get on the right bandwagons in time. I suspect the latter.
The lurkers are better targets in your opinion. I admit it's certainly not pro-town play, but considering they are about to get modkilled or replaced, why would you not try to pick out the active scum? Even if they both would be mafia (Which I find very unlikely, and quite sure that's not the case), there would be still one scum remaining among the active players. Go and find that one!
Then you talk about how people ghost Probu's analysis, even YOURSELF. But then you are getting suspicious on Gonzaw for doing the same. Do you have enough fingers to point in all those directions? I sure don't.
Then you are "not suspecting Probu", but curious about if people are letting him by too easily. Sure, you can ask about it from others, but make a case on it yourself if you think that's what happening. I've seen at least me and Sheth critizise his analysis (admittingly, we were the ones being accused).
That's no excuse, even to this point I haven't seen but smaller analysis from you, not a single "full write-up". Too distracted by all the pressure on you? That sure didn't prevent me from trying to catch scum when I was under pressure, even though admittingly delaying it a bit.
Post 3. More coming up.
I am yet not sure what to think of you, but at least you are right in one thing whether you are a townie, or mafia trying to gain town-cred.
I'll admit I maybe should have done that, but I didn't want to give the mafia a chance to no-lynch, nor give someone the impression that I was trying to jack the vote towards a no-lynch (pro-mafia play). But today, we lynch scum. Because we're going to lynch Sheth.
Once I read the bolded, I knew we were going in the right direction today. Finally more people would realize the killer that hided behind the manner.
And once I saw Probu's case of the D2 on Sheth, especially considering he is probably the strongest town read for many. (Which no-one should take for granted!), I got the feeling that today is the day the first scum falls.
This is a very weird post for me. You have been trying so hard to provide content and analysis yourself earlier, but now you went from a null read to scum read just because of Probu's post? I admit that Probu posts good and convincing cases, but please people, think for yourselves too! If he's the one controlling the game with his analysis with everyone just jumping on the bandwagon, in the case he is mafia we're fucked. I am not saying he is, I got a town-read on him myself at the moment, but don't take it for granted!
Anyway, this post made me more curious, I will have to read through gonzaw's filter again soon.
From your response to Probu's analysis about you.
We're not acting extra-mean to anyone. Could you provide some back-up for your claims of Cats being townie? All you say is the bolded, which is basically nothing. His posts and what not? But you obviously want to keep pressure on him, when you just said that sort of non-stop pressure almost made a townie suicide? Contradictory. Protection of scumbuddy, failed.
No matter how well you know them, I doubt you can know if they are mafia or town by 3-4 pretty much oneliner posts about promising more. Or then you're one heck of a mindreader. I still don't get why you are protecting them so hard.
Admittingly it's impossible to make a case on them on anything else than lurking, and if they are townies then they are making the game considerably harder for us :/ Hopefully we'll get replacements soon.
A DT for a mafia is a good trade? Certainly not this early in the game. How can you be sure someone is DT if another person would counterclaim? You were fishing for blue roles earlier, are you afraid of the chance a medic could block your night-kills?
At this point you seem fairly suspicious of Sheth. Why do you suddenly find him so town? You keep changing your minds on everyone, I just don't understand what the hell is going on in your head. Either you are the most confused player ever, or then you're clever mafia trying to get back in by confusing everyone and trying to get on the right bandwagons in time. I suspect the latter.
The lurkers are better targets in your opinion. I admit it's certainly not pro-town play, but considering they are about to get modkilled or replaced, why would you not try to pick out the active scum? Even if they both would be mafia (Which I find very unlikely, and quite sure that's not the case), there would be still one scum remaining among the active players. Go and find that one!
Then you talk about how people ghost Probu's analysis, even YOURSELF. But then you are getting suspicious on Gonzaw for doing the same. Do you have enough fingers to point in all those directions? I sure don't.
Then you are "not suspecting Probu", but curious about if people are letting him by too easily. Sure, you can ask about it from others, but make a case on it yourself if you think that's what happening. I've seen at least me and Sheth critizise his analysis (admittingly, we were the ones being accused).
That's no excuse, even to this point I haven't seen but smaller analysis from you, not a single "full write-up". Too distracted by all the pressure on you? That sure didn't prevent me from trying to catch scum when I was under pressure, even though admittingly delaying it a bit.
Post 3. More coming up.
For fucks sake.
I'm away, I HAD to make a placeholder vote, what the fuck do you want me to do?
I can't fucking believe I'm "suspicious" or something because of some shitty WIFOM from Jitsu's death and because I went inactive.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CASE AGAINST ME READ MY FILTER AND DO IT GODDAMMIT!!!!!
I won't stand for this WIFOM shit, not at this point of the game.
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On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Wtf is this?
So you won't even attempt to respond to my posts?
You say you are going by "your gut"?
Wtf?
Also, I'll reread that "I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start" thing tomorrow when I check everybody's filter.
I'll check the Cat situation too.
Also, (maybe I'm late to this but whatever) everybody saying Blurry is town because he bussed Sheth "too early" or something is a fucking useless WIFOMist.
Sheth's flip doesn't mean Blurry is town, doesn't mean I'm town, and doesn't mean Prob is town.
Long story short: Accusing Probu & Blurry after Sheth's flip for different stuff, then OMGUS-defending when me and Cats pick on his placeholder vote.
I'll give it that you've played well as mafia constantly picking each other for all kinds of small stuff but nothing that you could REALLY blame each other for.
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On January 11 2012 07:43 gonzaw wrote:
Omg, this is so awesome!
Not only was Xeris inactive throughout the whole game, but his replacement is too!
/sarcasm
For fucks sake, you know what's actually annoying me? That if kronhort survives until LYLO (if we get there), then we are absolutely fucked. Deciding if he's scum or not is basicly the same as tossing a coin in the air.
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*sigh* yeah, I kind of got a little bit carried away there.
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These were the only 2 times you ever mentioned Sheth.
You even thought he was more likely town than scum the first time, that's a blatant contradiction of "I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start".
So can you tell me wtf this is?
You should be lynched just by this alone, it's a blatant lie.
And now you are still emulating other people's formatting. Although I'm confused now, I don't know if you were making fun of Prob there or not.
I also don't like your "I'm playing from my gut" attitude, I don't like your "I'll emulate other players" attitude either. These make it so easy for you to justify bandwagoning, sheeping, and whatever the hell you want if you are scum, which is what I think you are doing.
I also won't dwell into the "it was early to bus him, maybe not" WIFOM. Sheth had already a static vote on him (mine), and 2 players already were intent on lynching him (Prob, Cephiro), that's half the votes needed for a lynch.
You don't need more than half a brain to see that he was a very likely lynch candidate by then, so whatever WIFOM regarding that is useless.
I also don't get what "town" thing he did by now.
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W...T...F?
You know what does in fact make me more suspicious? The actual fact that Sheth and Blurry barely talked to each other at all
This is the only time one of them talked to the other one directly in early game:
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Now, after Sheth was pressured to being lynched, he posts this:
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Blurry doesn't even respond to him. Seems like a planned bus to me, just a way for Blurry to gain town cred once Sheth flips.
And don't come and tell me this is WIFOM shit or something, if you guys believe Cats is scum too then this has to happen too.
In the UG games, there's one thing I do to find scum.
I see which players don't even talk to each other when not pressured to.
I don't mean talk as in just quoting and saying uninteresting filler stuff. I also don't mean mentioning each other, whether to make them suspicious or defend themselves. I mean talk as in arguing with each other, pressuring each other, etc.
I think this happened in the previous Newbie game too.
Hell, there's a UG game where I found the entire scum team just by doing this, without any other analysis.
I'm pretty convinced that works, even more considerably in a newbie game.
It is WIFOM, but shit, it's WIFOM that works, just like the ones in the guides all over this place. If you don't think this holds, then there needs to be other highly incriminating/saving evidence towards it..
##Vote: Blurry
Fuck, I'm already like 2 hours reading the thread, responding and shit.
Also, I don't like this Cat bandwagon. It just seems so easy to lynch him.
But I'll give my thoughts on that when I come home, I'm way in a hurry right now
Omg, this is so awesome!
Not only was Xeris inactive throughout the whole game, but his replacement is too!
/sarcasm
For fucks sake, you know what's actually annoying me? That if kronhort survives until LYLO (if we get there), then we are absolutely fucked. Deciding if he's scum or not is basicly the same as tossing a coin in the air.
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On January 10 2012 11:49 Probulous wrote:
Calm down matey.
The only reason people were getting suspicious is because of Jitsu's post. I stand by my read on you based on a few things. The most obvious being you are aggressive and have called people on their shit.
Contrary to what others might think, your argument with Tunk makes you look more town than mafia. I see no reason for mafia to call attention to their hit right before the day post. It is just stupidly and unnecessarily putting themselves in the spotlight.
As for my WIFOM, I think it is pretty clear that there is no roleblocker, that is all I wanted to gain from it. No need to get all antsy about it. The WIFOM about you was to get people's thoughts on what is more likely. Clearly Cats is far more scummy than you, that is what I was trying to point out.
I stand by my Blurry read. You have to make up your mind on limited information, Blurry looks a lot less scummy than Cats. He hasn't said or done much but what he has looks like a newbie town in my eyes. You don't agree, why? You can justify what he has done from both a mafia or town POV, but one is more likely than the other given the reads you have on other people and how they flipped. I don't see how Blurry bussing Sheth so early is more likely than him just being a sheeping town.
Finally, anyone with half a brain knew you were away. You had a legitimate reason to put a placeholder vote down, and you placed it on a scum. You had been pushing Cats all game long, as mafia it would have been easier for you to just vote Cats as a placeholder and try to split the vote. In the same manner as Blurry, I think your early vote stands in your favour.
Calm down matey.
The only reason people were getting suspicious is because of Jitsu's post. I stand by my read on you based on a few things. The most obvious being you are aggressive and have called people on their shit.
Contrary to what others might think, your argument with Tunk makes you look more town than mafia. I see no reason for mafia to call attention to their hit right before the day post. It is just stupidly and unnecessarily putting themselves in the spotlight.
As for my WIFOM, I think it is pretty clear that there is no roleblocker, that is all I wanted to gain from it. No need to get all antsy about it. The WIFOM about you was to get people's thoughts on what is more likely. Clearly Cats is far more scummy than you, that is what I was trying to point out.
I stand by my Blurry read. You have to make up your mind on limited information, Blurry looks a lot less scummy than Cats. He hasn't said or done much but what he has looks like a newbie town in my eyes. You don't agree, why? You can justify what he has done from both a mafia or town POV, but one is more likely than the other given the reads you have on other people and how they flipped. I don't see how Blurry bussing Sheth so early is more likely than him just being a sheeping town.
Finally, anyone with half a brain knew you were away. You had a legitimate reason to put a placeholder vote down, and you placed it on a scum. You had been pushing Cats all game long, as mafia it would have been easier for you to just vote Cats as a placeholder and try to split the vote. In the same manner as Blurry, I think your early vote stands in your favour.
*sigh* yeah, I kind of got a little bit carried away there.
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On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
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On January 05 2012 08:28 Blurry wrote:
2: Sheth
Theres one post by him that caught my attention:
This for me could mean one of two things: A. A subtle claim to not being scum based on the logic that Jitsu would know immediately. Or B. I will be able to tell whether or not Jitsu is or is not scum.
Other than this he has been aggressive in terms of trying to get people on the defensive (CatsnHats) which I like as holes will show in peoples stories. Right now I'm feeling like he would be town rather than scum but I think time will tell.
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2: Sheth
Theres one post by him that caught my attention:
This for me could mean one of two things: A. A subtle claim to not being scum based on the logic that Jitsu would know immediately. Or B. I will be able to tell whether or not Jitsu is or is not scum.
Other than this he has been aggressive in terms of trying to get people on the defensive (CatsnHats) which I like as holes will show in peoples stories. Right now I'm feeling like he would be town rather than scum but I think time will tell.
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On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
These were the only 2 times you ever mentioned Sheth.
You even thought he was more likely town than scum the first time, that's a blatant contradiction of "I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start".
So can you tell me wtf this is?
You should be lynched just by this alone, it's a blatant lie.
And now you are still emulating other people's formatting. Although I'm confused now, I don't know if you were making fun of Prob there or not.
I also don't like your "I'm playing from my gut" attitude, I don't like your "I'll emulate other players" attitude either. These make it so easy for you to justify bandwagoning, sheeping, and whatever the hell you want if you are scum, which is what I think you are doing.
I also won't dwell into the "it was early to bus him, maybe not" WIFOM. Sheth had already a static vote on him (mine), and 2 players already were intent on lynching him (Prob, Cephiro), that's half the votes needed for a lynch.
You don't need more than half a brain to see that he was a very likely lynch candidate by then, so whatever WIFOM regarding that is useless.
I also don't get what "town" thing he did by now.
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On January 10 2012 12:11 Blurry wrote:
I will say this to those that may claim that I have done a similar thing (which I have). I am, as Probulous so eloquently pointed out, a blatant sheep. I go where the grasses are the greenest and if someone has a good argument I believe them
I will say this to those that may claim that I have done a similar thing (which I have). I am, as Probulous so eloquently pointed out, a blatant sheep. I go where the grasses are the greenest and if someone has a good argument I believe them
W...T...F?
You know what does in fact make me more suspicious? The actual fact that Sheth and Blurry barely talked to each other at all
This is the only time one of them talked to the other one directly in early game:
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On January 05 2012 12:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I said this because in the last game we played together I was scum and he was town. Thats why its worded that way. Its just a claim that he has recent experience with me and I have with him.
I said this because in the last game we played together I was scum and he was town. Thats why its worded that way. Its just a claim that he has recent experience with me and I have with him.
Now, after Sheth was pressured to being lynched, he posts this:
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On January 09 2012 05:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Just going to post my thoughts on the others, as I am going to go watch Steelers v Broncos at a friends house soon, and I had some things come up today I didn't expect.
7. Probulous -- Townie at the start. Sooo townie at the start. Has recently started making a few logical mistakes. (Both against myself and Cephiro). Implying that Cephiro is a confirmed townie has me looking at you so much right now, but as of now my brain can't make sense of you. Null
8. Blurry -- Havn't filtered you in depth yet, but can get into basics.
This post
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Just shows that you havn't put much time into the game at this point.
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You assume that mafia targeted Tunkeg for a completely different reason then I believe. You believe its because of his reads on people such as myself / gonzaw and cephiro. You feel like thats why it was him instead of Probulous. I think its just because up to this point Probulous was the most "town" feeling and mafia was worried there was a medic involved.
Then you post another bad post here
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Whats up with this? Can you explain what your "gut" is and what its saying. As I think someone already brought up (Jitsu?) is that if you can't explain it in reasoning then its probably not a good reason. You then say "If I don't have evidence to back up my feelings there is no point in posting it". Regarding evidence against me. So you don't have any evidence and just a gut feeling on me and your willing to vote so quickly on this. Just this here should have everyone worried. Aren't you finding it suspicious that these lurkers are coming out of no where and willing to just throw their votes onto me because of a gut feeling?
Blurry :From what I can see, Leaning Mafia strongly.
9. Gonzaw -- I don't have time to re-read all of your posts. I will do you and Probulous together hopefuly tonight before the end of the day and if I don't, well I'm sure others will. Based on just what I've seen of your posting you seemed like you were posting a lot of fluf and not really taking too many sides. Then you post a "Placeholder" vote on me even though your not convinced. You don't even wait on me to argue my side at all. You and Blurry seem to both be doing this to me. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, that you both just have to go and blindly will kill me off, but its so bad. Why are you voting for me if you aren't convinced I'm scum. Just from what I've seen I'll say Town-Scum, but I really need to re-filter you more indepth, so this is it for now.
Everyone putting your votes on me, please look into Cephiro, Blurry and Cats/Gonzaw . Those are my four scummiest reads, without knowing more about Xeris/Gretorp.
Just going to post my thoughts on the others, as I am going to go watch Steelers v Broncos at a friends house soon, and I had some things come up today I didn't expect.
7. Probulous -- Townie at the start. Sooo townie at the start. Has recently started making a few logical mistakes. (Both against myself and Cephiro). Implying that Cephiro is a confirmed townie has me looking at you so much right now, but as of now my brain can't make sense of you. Null
8. Blurry -- Havn't filtered you in depth yet, but can get into basics.
This post
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On January 05 2012 08:28 Blurry wrote:
About me being inactive: Sorry,I've been out all day since I'm on vacation in Montreal, and while it says I'm from Switzerland I recently moved to USA (EST) and have neglected to change my profile because I'm a little bit homesick+lazy.
Anyways: back to the game,
1: Cookiemaker
AnxiousHippo raised a very good point about Cookiemakers most recent post in his stating that trust has been developing amongst certain townies without providing examples. There was no reason for him to say this other than to try and fluff up his posts. Right now he seems scummy to me.
2: Sheth
Theres one post by him that caught my attention:
This for me could mean one of two things: A. A subtle claim to not being scum based on the logic that Jitsu would know immediately. Or B. I will be able to tell whether or not Jitsu is or is not scum.
Other than this he has been aggressive in terms of trying to get people on the defensive (CatsnHats) which I like as holes will show in peoples stories. Right now I'm feeling like he would be town rather than scum but I think time will tell.
3: AnxiousHippo
Cites his inexperience as a way out of having to provide much analysis but also hasn't said anything too scummy. I'm feeling neutral.
4: Cephiro
Provided a lot of good points and has contributed a good deal to the discussion. I don't think think Mafia would be leading the discussion like he has been, especially at this level. Definitely leaning towards town on him.
5: Tunkeg
Tries to get everybody to contribute which I like. Is very clear in his stance which is another good thing. Leaning towards town on him.
6: Jitsu
I'm getting a town vibe from him as well as he asked for someones opinion on himself. This could however be a clever mafia play to try and discover where the holes in his play are. Leaning towards town as he has been pressuring people to contribute.
About me being inactive: Sorry,I've been out all day since I'm on vacation in Montreal, and while it says I'm from Switzerland I recently moved to USA (EST) and have neglected to change my profile because I'm a little bit homesick+lazy.
Anyways: back to the game,
1: Cookiemaker
AnxiousHippo raised a very good point about Cookiemakers most recent post in his stating that trust has been developing amongst certain townies without providing examples. There was no reason for him to say this other than to try and fluff up his posts. Right now he seems scummy to me.
2: Sheth
Theres one post by him that caught my attention:
This for me could mean one of two things: A. A subtle claim to not being scum based on the logic that Jitsu would know immediately. Or B. I will be able to tell whether or not Jitsu is or is not scum.
Other than this he has been aggressive in terms of trying to get people on the defensive (CatsnHats) which I like as holes will show in peoples stories. Right now I'm feeling like he would be town rather than scum but I think time will tell.
3: AnxiousHippo
Cites his inexperience as a way out of having to provide much analysis but also hasn't said anything too scummy. I'm feeling neutral.
4: Cephiro
Provided a lot of good points and has contributed a good deal to the discussion. I don't think think Mafia would be leading the discussion like he has been, especially at this level. Definitely leaning towards town on him.
5: Tunkeg
Tries to get everybody to contribute which I like. Is very clear in his stance which is another good thing. Leaning towards town on him.
6: Jitsu
I'm getting a town vibe from him as well as he asked for someones opinion on himself. This could however be a clever mafia play to try and discover where the holes in his play are. Leaning towards town as he has been pressuring people to contribute.
Just shows that you havn't put much time into the game at this point.
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On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
You assume that mafia targeted Tunkeg for a completely different reason then I believe. You believe its because of his reads on people such as myself / gonzaw and cephiro. You feel like thats why it was him instead of Probulous. I think its just because up to this point Probulous was the most "town" feeling and mafia was worried there was a medic involved.
Then you post another bad post here
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On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Yes I would, and will.
#Vote: Liquid'Sheth
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
Whats up with this? Can you explain what your "gut" is and what its saying. As I think someone already brought up (Jitsu?) is that if you can't explain it in reasoning then its probably not a good reason. You then say "If I don't have evidence to back up my feelings there is no point in posting it". Regarding evidence against me. So you don't have any evidence and just a gut feeling on me and your willing to vote so quickly on this. Just this here should have everyone worried. Aren't you finding it suspicious that these lurkers are coming out of no where and willing to just throw their votes onto me because of a gut feeling?
Blurry :From what I can see, Leaning Mafia strongly.
9. Gonzaw -- I don't have time to re-read all of your posts. I will do you and Probulous together hopefuly tonight before the end of the day and if I don't, well I'm sure others will. Based on just what I've seen of your posting you seemed like you were posting a lot of fluf and not really taking too many sides. Then you post a "Placeholder" vote on me even though your not convinced. You don't even wait on me to argue my side at all. You and Blurry seem to both be doing this to me. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, that you both just have to go and blindly will kill me off, but its so bad. Why are you voting for me if you aren't convinced I'm scum. Just from what I've seen I'll say Town-Scum, but I really need to re-filter you more indepth, so this is it for now.
Everyone putting your votes on me, please look into Cephiro, Blurry and Cats/Gonzaw . Those are my four scummiest reads, without knowing more about Xeris/Gretorp.
Blurry doesn't even respond to him. Seems like a planned bus to me, just a way for Blurry to gain town cred once Sheth flips.
And don't come and tell me this is WIFOM shit or something, if you guys believe Cats is scum too then this has to happen too.
In the UG games, there's one thing I do to find scum.
I see which players don't even talk to each other when not pressured to.
I don't mean talk as in just quoting and saying uninteresting filler stuff. I also don't mean mentioning each other, whether to make them suspicious or defend themselves. I mean talk as in arguing with each other, pressuring each other, etc.
I think this happened in the previous Newbie game too.
Hell, there's a UG game where I found the entire scum team just by doing this, without any other analysis.
I'm pretty convinced that works, even more considerably in a newbie game.
It is WIFOM, but shit, it's WIFOM that works, just like the ones in the guides all over this place. If you don't think this holds, then there needs to be other highly incriminating/saving evidence towards it..
##Vote: Blurry
Fuck, I'm already like 2 hours reading the thread, responding and shit.
Also, I don't like this Cat bandwagon. It just seems so easy to lynch him.
But I'll give my thoughts on that when I come home, I'm way in a hurry right now
Even longer story short:
Filler crap about how it's so bad that a lurker got replaced with another, when it's actually making the game easier for you scummies.
This is the point where you've already suspected Blurry is the medic, and he starts pressuring him accordingly, to move on into getting him lynched D3.
He also "Doesn't like the Cats bandwagon because it's so easy to lynch him." Nice defense for your scumbuddy there.
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On January 11 2012 14:32 gonzaw wrote:
Why would you assume that?
How is it even a "sophisticated plan"?
Shit, let's recap the "sophisticated plan":
1)Make a wishy-washy read on one of his scumbuddies
2)When his scumbuddy has a chance to be lynched, bus him
3)As for the reasons for doing it, just say that your previous wishy-washy read was a suspicion on him
(1) Isn't even part of any "plan", it's just a regular scum behaviour of "not being sure" about your scumbuddies, in case you need to bus or defend them later on, and so you don't have to pressure them, talk to them, or have anything to do with them in the thread
(2)Seems pretty straightforward, I don't need to explain to you why scum would bus each other when one has the chance of being lynched, right?
(3)If this is "sophisticated" I'll eat my own ass. It's the easiest way for him to not make an effort in thinking up reasons to bus him. Actually it's stupid too, since eventually someone is bound to reread that and search for that "suspicion from the start" and figure out it's a bunch of fluff.
.....what?
You want me to "tell you a story"?
Do I have to make wild speculations about "what they may have thought" or some shit?
What's the point? I am not here to entertain you guys. I won't start my posts with cute images, or format my posts like a book or something, or "tell stories" or whatever you mean. If I do that I waste time doing something unnecessary.
Also, what do you mean "where's the scum motivation"?
Isn't "be wishy washy about your scumbuddy so you don't pay attention to him, then bus him to gain town cred" enough?
Isn't all that sheeping and regurgitation to lynch a townie (cookie/tea) without actually making an effort enough?
Isn't all that "I'll emulate how other players post", and "I'm following my gut" to strip away any responsability and pressure from him enough?
I think I expanded enough.
I already pointed out almost all communication between them (I may have left some bussing from Sheth out though, but all of that can be generalised with the single post I showed).
So, what do I have to "expand"? Why can't you do that on your own?
Sorry for the aggresiveness, but....really?
Why are you so sure Blurry is town?
Also, why don't you let him defend himself? You are acting like his babysitter or something, if he's pressured let him react to it goddammit!
Your play has been very weird lately Prob, shit.
Why would you assume that?
How is it even a "sophisticated plan"?
Shit, let's recap the "sophisticated plan":
1)Make a wishy-washy read on one of his scumbuddies
2)When his scumbuddy has a chance to be lynched, bus him
3)As for the reasons for doing it, just say that your previous wishy-washy read was a suspicion on him
(1) Isn't even part of any "plan", it's just a regular scum behaviour of "not being sure" about your scumbuddies, in case you need to bus or defend them later on, and so you don't have to pressure them, talk to them, or have anything to do with them in the thread
(2)Seems pretty straightforward, I don't need to explain to you why scum would bus each other when one has the chance of being lynched, right?
(3)If this is "sophisticated" I'll eat my own ass. It's the easiest way for him to not make an effort in thinking up reasons to bus him. Actually it's stupid too, since eventually someone is bound to reread that and search for that "suspicion from the start" and figure out it's a bunch of fluff.
.....what?
You want me to "tell you a story"?
Do I have to make wild speculations about "what they may have thought" or some shit?
What's the point? I am not here to entertain you guys. I won't start my posts with cute images, or format my posts like a book or something, or "tell stories" or whatever you mean. If I do that I waste time doing something unnecessary.
Also, what do you mean "where's the scum motivation"?
Isn't "be wishy washy about your scumbuddy so you don't pay attention to him, then bus him to gain town cred" enough?
Isn't all that sheeping and regurgitation to lynch a townie (cookie/tea) without actually making an effort enough?
Isn't all that "I'll emulate how other players post", and "I'm following my gut" to strip away any responsability and pressure from him enough?
I think I expanded enough.
I already pointed out almost all communication between them (I may have left some bussing from Sheth out though, but all of that can be generalised with the single post I showed).
So, what do I have to "expand"? Why can't you do that on your own?
Sorry for the aggresiveness, but....really?
Why are you so sure Blurry is town?
Also, why don't you let him defend himself? You are acting like his babysitter or something, if he's pressured let him react to it goddammit!
Your play has been very weird lately Prob, shit.
Gonzaw goes on suspecting and pressuring Probu because he keeps defending Blurry from Gonz's accusations.
And makes up the most wishy-washy explanations how Blurry is scum ever.
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On January 12 2012 07:28 gonzaw wrote:
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Omg lol.
So instead of defending yourself against every point of the case against you, you just decide to cling unto WIFOM?
lol nice try
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lol no it's not, ever heard of "bussing"?
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You mean, why would Sheth, a scum under A LOT of pressure, who was heading for a lynch, sacrifice 1 vote from his scumbuddy, and bus him so he would make his weak scumbuddy gain town cred so he can try to survive longer?
Hmm, let me see, I can't find any reason at all!
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Great, did Sheth tell you to point this out later if somebody suspected you?
This is the shittiest WIFOM ever, just like all the WIFOM you've been pulling out throughout the whole game
Here, let me point them out for you:
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WIFOM
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HOLY SHIT ENORMOUS USELESS WIFOM
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More WIFOM.
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And here's the epitome of WIFOM too
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Thank you for reminding me of that.
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You are constantly undermining your own play, saying you are a "weak player"; that you'll "emulate some things other players will do", saying you are "new to this", saying you are "not sure what to look for in terms of reading players", and apologizing yoruself...
This is the "newb card" played so straight it hurts..
Of course, you are a "weak player" so we can just ignore you, right?
You haven't even responded to any of the other points I made.
You are still ignoring me. You have Prob being your babysitter, and nobody's listening to me. You may just think that ignoring me and let town focus on Cats can get you off the hook, since you just have 1 vote on you.
But you won't
People, it's obvious Blurry is scum, change your vote to him NOW.
I'm not sure Cats is scum yet, for a while he's actually contributing, being active, and at least he's fucking trying.
We can deal with Cats later, Blurry is far a better lynch, since I'm almost sure he's scum.
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On January 12 2012 06:12 Blurry wrote:
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
Omg lol.
So instead of defending yourself against every point of the case against you, you just decide to cling unto WIFOM?
lol nice try
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The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid
lol no it's not, ever heard of "bussing"?
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I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent
You mean, why would Sheth, a scum under A LOT of pressure, who was heading for a lynch, sacrifice 1 vote from his scumbuddy, and bus him so he would make his weak scumbuddy gain town cred so he can try to survive longer?
Hmm, let me see, I can't find any reason at all!
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It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point
Great, did Sheth tell you to point this out later if somebody suspected you?
This is the shittiest WIFOM ever, just like all the WIFOM you've been pulling out throughout the whole game
Here, let me point them out for you:
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On January 04 2012 11:18 Blurry wrote:
The thing to watch for initially is whether or not a role blocker reveals himself. I doubt a role blocker would do anything so early however as they have no idea who to target and successfully cause some harm.
The thing to watch for initially is whether or not a role blocker reveals himself. I doubt a role blocker would do anything so early however as they have no idea who to target and successfully cause some harm.
WIFOM
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On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
HOLY SHIT ENORMOUS USELESS WIFOM
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On January 11 2012 07:27 Blurry wrote:
There is no way that both Gretorp and Xeris were scum because they were totally inactive and it is doubtful that they would have submitted their night actions. My guess with no evidence to back my claims is that its one of those two plus one of the players that has been more active.
There is no way that both Gretorp and Xeris were scum because they were totally inactive and it is doubtful that they would have submitted their night actions. My guess with no evidence to back my claims is that its one of those two plus one of the players that has been more active.
More WIFOM.
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On January 12 2012 06:12 Blurry wrote:
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
And here's the epitome of WIFOM too
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I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent
Thank you for reminding me of that.
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On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious.
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious.
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On January 05 2012 15:32 Blurry wrote:
I posted in the same format as Cephiro because I'm new to this and I'm trying to pick up on how this game is played. Thus you will see me emulate some things that other players will do or how they format their analysis. This won't be the first time you will see this.
Solid Candidates: Gretorp, Cookiemaker
I would probably rather lynch Gretorp because he hasn't said anything
To your last point: This is a newbie game, maybe its not obvious. I just want to make sure that people know to claim a RB.
I posted in the same format as Cephiro because I'm new to this and I'm trying to pick up on how this game is played. Thus you will see me emulate some things that other players will do or how they format their analysis. This won't be the first time you will see this.
Solid Candidates: Gretorp, Cookiemaker
I would probably rather lynch Gretorp because he hasn't said anything
To your last point: This is a newbie game, maybe its not obvious. I just want to make sure that people know to claim a RB.
You are constantly undermining your own play, saying you are a "weak player"; that you'll "emulate some things other players will do", saying you are "new to this", saying you are "not sure what to look for in terms of reading players", and apologizing yoruself...
This is the "newb card" played so straight it hurts..
Of course, you are a "weak player" so we can just ignore you, right?
You haven't even responded to any of the other points I made.
You are still ignoring me. You have Prob being your babysitter, and nobody's listening to me. You may just think that ignoring me and let town focus on Cats can get you off the hook, since you just have 1 vote on you.
But you won't
People, it's obvious Blurry is scum, change your vote to him NOW.
I'm not sure Cats is scum yet, for a while he's actually contributing, being active, and at least he's fucking trying.
We can deal with Cats later, Blurry is far a better lynch, since I'm almost sure he's scum.
Cats isn't scum because he is actually trying to contribute -> Plan painting the devious scum as a newbie town picking up his play goes on.
This is an awesome quote: "We can deal with Cats later, Blurry is far a better lynch, since I'm almost sure he's scum."
Er... yeah right.
He just ignores everything Blurry says and calls it WIFOM. Easy analysis? Hell yeah.
He then also picks on Blurry for playing the newbie card, but then he lets Cats away with it. Talk about bias....
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On January 12 2012 09:32 gonzaw wrote:
Wtf is this shit?
Just........what?
First, does anybody counterclaim? We can't be sure of anything until nobody does.
Second, wtf?
Let's imagine you are the medic for a second:
-You think the best way to deal with the pressure is CLAIMING when you only have 1 VOTE ON YOU!??
Also, everybody is ignoring me, hell even though I wouldn't stop pressuring you, you would have avoided today's lynch anyways, SINCE THERE WAS ONLY 1 HOUR LEFT FOR IT TO END
W...T...F?
Also, if you are the medic, then that means that you are town, so why on earth wouldn't you respond to pressure? Why wouldn't you respond to the points I made against you? And more importantly, why would I need to make those points in the first place?
There is 50% chance there is a medic in this game, you could have easily fake-claimed without having any cc (if there isn't any). This seems unlikely, but my head is full of WTF right now.
Until you respond to my points I won't take this into account. SO PLEASE RESPOND TO MY POINTS.
Until you do, I'll keep my vote on you, so if you are actually the medic FUCKING DO IT.
Wtf is this shit?
Just........what?
First, does anybody counterclaim? We can't be sure of anything until nobody does.
Second, wtf?
Let's imagine you are the medic for a second:
-You think the best way to deal with the pressure is CLAIMING when you only have 1 VOTE ON YOU!??
Also, everybody is ignoring me, hell even though I wouldn't stop pressuring you, you would have avoided today's lynch anyways, SINCE THERE WAS ONLY 1 HOUR LEFT FOR IT TO END
W...T...F?
Also, if you are the medic, then that means that you are town, so why on earth wouldn't you respond to pressure? Why wouldn't you respond to the points I made against you? And more importantly, why would I need to make those points in the first place?
There is 50% chance there is a medic in this game, you could have easily fake-claimed without having any cc (if there isn't any). This seems unlikely, but my head is full of WTF right now.
Until you respond to my points I won't take this into account. SO PLEASE RESPOND TO MY POINTS.
Until you do, I'll keep my vote on you, so if you are actually the medic FUCKING DO IT.
He keeps calling out Blurry for his bad claiming timing, and says that he won't even consider the possibility that he is the medic if he doesn't respond to his posts. = Easy way out of the responsibility of the lynch.
= "I'm not giving up on my plan to get the medic lynched today!"
On January 12 2012 09:45 gonzaw wrote:
Wait, if my case makes the "most sense"; then why did you defend Blurry against it initially?
Also fuck, this is way too unexpected and WE HAVE SO LITTLE TIME.
BLURRY; WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE THIS?????
ARGGGG, shit.....
Wait, if my case makes the "most sense"; then why did you defend Blurry against it initially?
Also fuck, this is way too unexpected and WE HAVE SO LITTLE TIME.
BLURRY; WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE THIS?????
ARGGGG, shit.....
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On January 12 2012 09:58 gonzaw wrote:
Like I said, until Blurry doesn't respond to me I won't take the medic claim into account.
Fucking Blurry, if he's the actual medic this is all his fault.
He fucking claims and then DISAPPEARS.
FUCK
If we don't lynch him, then I don't know who the fuck to lynch.
It's too late anyways.
Like I said, until Blurry doesn't respond to me I won't take the medic claim into account.
Fucking Blurry, if he's the actual medic this is all his fault.
He fucking claims and then DISAPPEARS.
FUCK
If we don't lynch him, then I don't know who the fuck to lynch.
It's too late anyways.
"I iz cauzin some confuzions to meik it ezpz" - All over it.
On January 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:
It better fucking be
I'll go take a shower, and come after the flip...
It better fucking be
I'll go take a shower, and come after the flip...
Oh yesh, Probu is about to bow to the mafia. Isn't that what you wanted.
On January 12 2012 10:23 gonzaw wrote:
FUCK YOU Blurry, REALLY!!
So 1 hour before the lynch YOU CLAIM EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NOT BEING LYNCHED!!!???
THEN YOU FUCKING GO TO "DINNER" AND FORGET ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE JUST DONE!!!!????
Also, Xeris was green all along??? FUkcing shitl
And we are at LYLO tomorrow NO MATTER WHAT!??????
ARGGGGGH, I'M SO FUCKING PISSED RIGHT NOW!!!!
FUCK YOU Blurry, REALLY!!
So 1 hour before the lynch YOU CLAIM EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NOT BEING LYNCHED!!!???
THEN YOU FUCKING GO TO "DINNER" AND FORGET ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE JUST DONE!!!!????
Also, Xeris was green all along??? FUkcing shitl
And we are at LYLO tomorrow NO MATTER WHAT!??????
ARGGGGGH, I'M SO FUCKING PISSED RIGHT NOW!!!!
Enter fake-rage mode. I think you are so sure of your win that you aren't even concentrating here anymore....
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On January 12 2012 11:05 gonzaw wrote:
You are still caught up in that Jitsu WIFOM shit I see, for fucks sake..
Also NOW you are going to look into my filter? For fucks sake can people please stop doing this?
Everybody's "Oh, I'll look gonz filter", "Oh, the dead guy said he was going to look at gonz's filter". It's annoying as fuck.
If you are going to read my filter DON'T FUCKING ANNOUNCE IT LIKE IT'S THE MTV AWARDS OR SOME SHIT, JUST FUCKING DO IT
Yes you should, that's the reason I posted that in the first place, SO PEOPLE WOULD FUCKING USE IT!!!!
And you should use it with every other player as well, and every other player should use it with you and everybody else...
For fucks sake...
You are still caught up in that Jitsu WIFOM shit I see, for fucks sake..
Also NOW you are going to look into my filter? For fucks sake can people please stop doing this?
Everybody's "Oh, I'll look gonz filter", "Oh, the dead guy said he was going to look at gonz's filter". It's annoying as fuck.
If you are going to read my filter DON'T FUCKING ANNOUNCE IT LIKE IT'S THE MTV AWARDS OR SOME SHIT, JUST FUCKING DO IT
Yes you should, that's the reason I posted that in the first place, SO PEOPLE WOULD FUCKING USE IT!!!!
And you should use it with every other player as well, and every other player should use it with you and everybody else...
For fucks sake...
Gonz's play from here on can be described with one word: "Fuck."
On January 12 2012 11:32 gonzaw wrote:
*sigh*
I was fairly sure Blurry was scum, and had hoped Xeris would flip red too, I didn't pay much attention to everybody else by that point.
Fuck, now I need to reread everything *sigh*
Also, that whole filter thing does indeed annoy me. And Jitsu was fucking stupid for not posting his thoughts before the night ended.
*sigh*
I was fairly sure Blurry was scum, and had hoped Xeris would flip red too, I didn't pay much attention to everybody else by that point.
Fuck, now I need to reread everything *sigh*
Also, that whole filter thing does indeed annoy me. And Jitsu was fucking stupid for not posting his thoughts before the night ended.
Fake depression time. "I r so desperatez bcuz I messed up
" "Wai people blame me???"
