Newbie Mini Mafia II - Page 4

On January 10 2012 10:04 Probulous wrote:
Anyone roleblocked?

On January 10 2012 10:09 CatsnHats wrote:


Is this the proper time to announce it? I wasn't, but I've already said I don't have a role. I'm starting to think the mafia is afraid that we have a medic though. That's why they went for Tunk and Jitsu and not you Prob, for fear of the medic saving you (our "leader" of sorts).

On January 10 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
In fact if I had to guess, it would be either myself or Jitsu. Cephiro has enough of a bad filter to be pushed as a lynch (despite his catching of Sheth), Gonz could also be pushed given his posting habits. So I am going to go out on limb here and say that one of Me or Jitsu will be dead in the next five minutes.

On January 10 2012 10:23 Probulous wrote:
I think Jitsu was on to something here. He was adamant that Cats was scum and had changed his position on Blurry. If we assume he was sure Cats was scum and believed Blurry is town that leaves one scum in the following list

• Gonzaw
  
• AnxiousHippo/Bkrow
  
• Gretorp/Paper
  
• Xeris/kronhjort

Here is what he had to say about Xeris and Gretorp


A solid null read and his thoughts on Bkrow amounted to


Hardly suspicion. So what does this mean? It means taking a good look at Gonz and Cats.

WIFOM alert, which is more likely?

Scum knew I was iffy about Cats and that Jitsu would be the one pushing his case, so they shot him.

Or

Jitsu had correctly noticed in Gonz's filter and scum quickly shot him to stop suspicion of Gonz?

Or

We have no fucking clue and this is a waste of time?

Bk, you are in that list and have at least been posting so, what do you make of this?

On January 10 2012 10:33 Probulous wrote:
I do, hence " It means taking a good look at Gonz and Cats. " But either way we have to decide on a single lynch, which for me is deciding between these two scenarios.

On January 10 2012 10:54 Probulous wrote:
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Yes, Blurry votes when I ask him to, with no hesitation at all. He could have simply stuck with his read that Cats was scum until it became obvious Sheth was being lynched. I don't think he is clearly town, just more town than Cats. It is possible that he is mafia but if so that is one hell of a bus. If I recall correctly he was the second person to vote for Sheth. Remember I had pushed Cephiro's case day 1 and failed, why would he assume I would succeed day 2? As mafia, it would have been a much safer play to just wait it out. See if the wagon starts to pick gain even a single vote and then jump.

In addition to all this he was one of a handful of people who pointed out Sheth's mistakes in the very early game. Why do this if you are mafia? He plan has been to lurk, calling out your buddies is not lurking. Sure he didn't push the case hard but he definitely made one. We have very little to work on with Blurry but what we have seems more likely to be town than mafia. Either he is one hell of a mafia player, subtly bussing his team mate to gain town credit despite lurking, or he is simply a town lurker.




See above. Given Jitsu's suspicions I would place Cats as scum. It fits with his back and forth with Sheth. Sheth called him out on a simple mistake (wishy-washy)and instead of changing his play like a townie would, he kept going. Sheth than backed off when he realised he was casting geniune suspicion on his team-mate. He only voted for Sheth after Sheth told him to and has been all round terrible. His "leaving" post caused confusion and he claims it was a gambit. In general he has been nuisance to town so I would not be sad to see him leave.

On January 10 2012 12:26 Probulous wrote:
@Blurry Thanks for your mildly amusing expose on Cats. Whilst it doesn't add anything new it is a nice summary of Cats wishy-washy play. However, sheeping is NOT a point in your favour. Don't do it. You can start by giving me your case on who the third mafia is. Assume Cats is scum, who is his last buddy and why.

On January 10 2012 13:07 Probulous wrote:
@BK, can you please respond to this. I would also like your thoughts on who the third mafia is, assuming Cats flips scum. Your thoughts on Gonz would be welcome too, try and ignore what I have written about him. Thanks!

On January 10 2012 13:50 Probulous wrote:
That is why I say your play has improved.

Your gambit was terrible and created all sorts of mayhem, I hate it when people use passive aggressive stuff to gain emotional leverage. So yeah, no problem seeing you lynched. It is not meant as a personal thing, play better next time. I would happy to have another game with you.

Anyway, are we the only one's reading the thread?

On January 10 2012 15:41 Probulous wrote:
Cats, you confuse me, so how about a deal? I will keep my position open on your alignment if you give me a thorough case on why I should vote for Blurry over you.

The others seem pretty happy lynching you, which bothers me. This wagon is a little too easy to get going. Whether that is because your mafia brethren have given up on you or because you are town, is hard to say. Convince me.

In particular, look at my reasons for thinking Blurry is town and poke holes in it. I want people to tear my analysis apart, right now the rest of the town seem content to just accept stuff that is well formatted. You will go a long way to redeeming yourself in my eyes if you can do that for me.

I will try my best to read your case without bias, however if you are going to get this town to vote with you it will need to write a convincing case. Blurry hasn't done himself any favours so it should be a fair fight.

Show me what you got!

On January 11 2012 05:23 CatsnHats wrote:
Probulous you probably weren't expecting this, but I'm about to change up my read. The more I read Blurry's thread, and I've read through it multiple times now, the more I think he is just a lurker newb not sure how to contribute. Even when he sheeped against me so hard recently, he admitted that he was doing it immediately. He was the 2nd person to vote for Sheth (and he had a surprisingly good read on him for posting so little). And the WIFOM posts I called him out on earlier make more sense in light of the fact that he says he has been using his gut alot since he feels his analysis isn't up to par. Your gut is the only way to make a decision about a WIFOM situation. I feel like I can read newb play, being that I was/still am one, and Blurry definitely strikes me as a lurker newb town now. Thats being said, he still needs to post more.

All of this reading wasn't in vain, because after perusing through filters I found a different target.

Paperscraps: Being a Replacement Doesn't Make You Innocent


A replacement for Gretorp, Paperscraps wasn't done any favors by having a terrible predecessor. Gretorp was a shady, shady player, drawing the suspicions of everyone despite having a small number of posts. Tunkeg the night killed townie called out Gretorp for lurking and responded with this:

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On January 11 2012 05:23 CatsnHats wrote:
Enter Paperscraps. Here's his first post.

[spoiler]

Much better than Gretorp, but that isn't saying much. His reads are pretty interesting though. He picks Xeris, a bigger lurker than Gretorp, and Blurry, a player already under an eye of scrutiny. This is an easy thing to do. And he doesn't give any reasoning for his picks. Sheeping/ghosing, call it what you will. It definitely isn't original though.



Next post. Blurry stays scum. Xeris changes to null (probably because he's caught up with everyone's opinion Xeris by now), and I am town. Keep this in mind. He also posts the 3 clearest town reads as his own. Nothing original. When Probulous questions him on his reads, Paper agrees and changes his mind about me, claiming he will re-read my filter. Xeris is also off his radar completely. Most interesting however is the fact that he sticks to his case that Blurry is scummy.

Paper claims that:
"Blurry doesn't agree to vote up Sheth until you ask him if he will. All his posts previous to that have no read on Sheth or say he he may be slightly town. I guess you are right that it is stupid to jump from Cats to Sheth, but you, one of the best readers in this game, think he is town now. Maybe that is what he wanted to happen. I still think he is scummy."

Blurry acutally did post analysis on Sheth. Even though it was scant, it was correct, and he was the only one up to that point other than Prob to question Sheth. Paper, as scum, knows that Blurry is town, so he's neglecting facts to cast a shadow on a suspected player.



Paperscraps then busses Jitsu, using his death during N2 as evidence for Jitsu being correct about me being scum. This is sheeping against the most suspected townie. Paperscraps next two posts are further sheeping of Jitsu's analysis of me. There is no reason to quote them, they are one-liners and are easy to find on his small filter.

With my new opinion that Blurry is town, I think Paperscraps is scum sheeping against the two questioned townies, me and Blurry.

Because of all of this reasoning above:

##Unvote: Blurry
##Vote: Paperscraps

I look forward to your response Paperscraps.

And at this point I think Xeris/Kronhjort is going to get mod-killed, and if he flips blue/green, I will be PISSED.

On January 11 2012 07:37 Probulous wrote:
Fair point. So which one? Given that Cats is actively participating and providing analysis I am happy to leave him today. Even if we assume he is mafia (I'm not sure) there is someone else and I agree that it he is either Gretorp/Paperscraps or Xeris/kronhjort.

On January 10 2012 10:23 Probulous wrote:
Scum knew I was iffy about Cats and that Jitsu would be the one pushing his case, so they shot him.

Or

Jitsu had correctly noticed in Gonz's filter and scum quickly shot him to stop suspicion of Gonz?

Or

We have no fucking clue and this is a waste of time?

On January 11 2012 08:00 CatsnHats wrote:
Thanks Prob. And that is a really hard question. I wouldn't be surprised when Xeris/Kronhjort gets mod-killed if he flips red. But that is just wishful thinking because there really isn't any info to go on for him/them. AnxiousHippo's play was suspicious but bkrow has played much much better. That leaves Cephiro, Gonzaw, and Blurry (you and I are town). I'd say the 3rd mafia is between Cephiro, Xeris/Krohnjort, and Gonzaw. Hopefully it's Xeris and we can win this game in one more day!!!

On January 11 2012 13:04 CatsnHats wrote:
@Cephiro I included Gretorp in my analysis of Paperscraps because they are the same person. I would be remiss to leave out my opinion on Gretorp and just analyze Paperscraps, that would just be throwing away half of the available information we have on him/them. What are the things that you mentioned you did? Have you already analyzed Paperscraps? If so I missed it and apologize for that. Can you requote it to me? Also, you say Prob asked for my case on Blurry and that I didn't write it. But I did, it's at the top of my post on Paperscraps. I came up with the same conclusion that Prob did about Blurry (town for now), but with separate analysis from him. I've been taking Prob for granted up to an extent, but remember I did ask the town if we were following him too blindly. I have an overwhelming gut feeling that Prob is town. With the sheer amount of posting he done (like 8 of the 36 pages), he is either a really good town or the most ballsy scum ever. I think it's the former.

On January 11 2012 13:05 Probulous wrote:
He he, thanks Ceph.

Ok, time to come clean. I know my play over the last day or so has been, how shall I say this, bad! My problem is that I would feel really bad for Cats if he was town because unlike others he has actually tried this game. Plus he was a little upset at me calling him terrible.

I pushed my case day 1 and was horribly wrong, but then again so was everyone else. Day 2 I push my cased again, really hard and was right, but no-one was really offering counter arguments (except Jistu). I lost confidence today in my scum hunting abilities and wanted some contributions from others that I could read. I am still in two minds about Cats, I can't tell if he is just really bad town.

If I can't make up my mind about Cats, that means the only option I have to find scum is to look elsewhere. Maybe it was a stupid plan, it was certainly not the most logical, but I felt I owed Cats something in return for his obvious commitment to this game.

Finally when I took a step back I realised the reason we have been targeting Cats is because he has been active. He has been constantly changing his mind and his interactions with Sheth make him look really bad. Like I have said before there is plenty of evidence for him being scum. That very point illustrates why I am concerned about his lynch.

The others have got away with posting nothing. If scum avoids the noose because a new townie posts a lot of stuff that looks scummy, I will feel real bad. He is clearly serious about playing. His posting is improving, the purpose of this game is help newbies get better. I am not saying I won't lynch Cats, I am just trying to look elsewhere.

On January 11 2012 13:48 Probulous wrote:
I'll preface this with "I know this is a stupid idea but"

I kind of want to lynch kronhjort just to get rid of that stupid lurking role. It is really fucking over town now. I have a scum read on Xeris which cannot be corroborated because kronhjort doesn't post. I mean the reasons we have for Cats could describe Xeris as well. His posting never took a stand on anything and he had some sort of connection with Sheth.

I am almost certain that either Xeris/kronhjort or Gretorp/Paperscraps is mafia and I can't tell because one of them has been inactive for most of the game.

Ceph, your game has picked up dramatically and if you can't see that Cats' is doing similar things, I am disappointed. Just look at his rebuttal of Paperscraps' case. Gonz is almost certainly town although he cannon-ball style posting makes it hard to get any real information from him. Blurry is useless but doesn't seem like scum to me.

In short my brain is hurting and I don't feel like I am getting any closer to making a decision.

On January 11 2012 14:00 Paperscraps wrote:
If worst comes to worst and we can't get a majority on Cats, then I wouldn't be against lynching Xeris(Kron). If you are sure that Xeris or I are mafia, then I am sure that it is him. This would help my case towards being town and we would be one less inactive.

Lynching Cats or Xeris is win-win for me.

On January 04 2012 11:18 Blurry wrote:
The thing to watch for initially is whether or not a role blocker reveals himself. I doubt a role blocker would do anything so early however as they have no idea who to target and successfully cause some harm.

I would however advise against strongly pushing for a lynch without any concrete evidence or based solely off of speculation as with low killing power, lynching someone who is innocent would cause much more damage then simply not lynching at all.

On January 04 2012 11:40 Blurry wrote:
Not directly to everyone but lets say player A is a detective. Player A gets role blocked one night and now knows which of the setups is present. This may not be shared with the entire town but is useful information for the specific player to have.

On January 05 2012 08:51 Blurry wrote:
10: Me
I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us.

On January 05 2012 22:43 Blurry wrote:
2:
Probulous is the obvious choice as he has posted the most solid analysis thus far.

On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.

Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.

My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.

On January 12 2012 09:15 CatsnHats wrote:
You role claimed after you were pressured by one person? OMG why?! Cephiro makes alot of good points towards you actually being a medic, and I'm about 85% sure you are. Well that leaves me and Paperscraps up for vote in 45 minutes. I would like to think I have done enough to redeem myself to live another day (I don't think I will be targeted in the night because of all of this new info). I think we should vote Paperscraps. Do you agree Blurry? bkrow? Probulous? Cephiro? Gonzaw?

On January 12 2012 10:13 CatsnHats wrote:
Probulous I think I know why you did what you did. I still think you are town.