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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#1661
Oh hai bandwagon.

I am the sage.


On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@RoL
See this post for the current time remaining in the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603#6

Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither.
-snip-
Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course.
##Vote: Tyrran


On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@RoL
See
-snip-

On January 12 2012 04:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Alright
-snipped-

On January 12 2012 04:42 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
gasdjafeaiuhfaisdf
-snipped-

On January 12 2012 04:54 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Err,
-snipped-

Night 1 I was banished so my investigation failed, but I tried to investigate Tyrran.
Night 2 I investigated Grackaroni and got not-demon.

Carry on.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:33 GMT
#1662
Oh, and I was going to investigate Cwave last night, but with not too long left I decided the demon hunter was probably going to stab him and switched my investigation to Grackaroni.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:37 GMT
#1663
And layabout, I like how you managed to find a replacement for doing any actual analysis or scum-hunting, it's cute.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 14 2012 04:38 GMT
#1664
^ With this claim, I much rather we lynch RoL today. If RoL flips demon, there's a v-high chance that Wiggles was the seer and Harb's an angel, imo.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:40 GMT
#1665
An angel that breadcrumbed his role before any unrevealed flips? And if he was seer, how could I be an angel...I claimed sage.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 14 2012 04:42 GMT
#1666
Uh, sorry, I mean sage**
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 14 2012 04:49 GMT
#1667
On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@RoL
See this post for the current time remaining in the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603#6

Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither.

My top target remains Tyrran. His passivity and seeming lack of confidence in his reads and overall disinterest in the lynches just seems unlike most townies, and unlike how he played in my prior game with him. While I didn't want to make the following point yet to see if he would keep doing it, Dirkzor already brought it up and stated it quite well, so no reason not to restate it now:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 03:38 Dirkzor wrote:
In the end I'll just quote how Tyrran have taken no stance on anybody he have written a case on. Note: These quotes are cut, but they are all the last part of Posts by Tyrran.

So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?
You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ?

On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ?
Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched.

While I think that alone is scummy for any player to do, here's some examples of how Tyrran himself presented cases in his prior game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too

##Vote Kenpachi


So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything

Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously).

Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777

+ Show Spoiler +


On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:

Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it.

##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Nisani201


And this


Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sabin010


Bad vibes also this -

On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.


On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same.



Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on.

You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other.

If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day.


On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit.

We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.

Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit.

Oh, hi kibbibit

##Vote Nisani201


On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:
We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here.




Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though.


So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ?

FoS bumatlarge.

On November 17 2011 06:55 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:34 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi


perhaps, but why choose to lynch kenpachi over the guy who anti-voted him?

If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum.
If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy.

If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment.
If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum.

I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment.



Actually, i think that's a good point. However, if kenpachi flips red, i still think we should auto lynch lanaia. We cant let someone that anti voted a scum go free.

Also, if lanaia is blue, she will most likely be a priority kill for the mafia ( who now knows she isnt green), and migth not live to see day 2 anyway.

Also kenpachi, you're only defense is : "LOL TOWN IS BAD". I seriously hope that you can do better than that.

##Vote Kenpachi

On November 18 2011 07:20 Tyrran wrote:
So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum.

First of all, Sinani was a big partisan of dividing our attention . Quite amusingly he used the divide and conquer analogy, where as pointed by WBG, you are suppose to divide you enemy. Meaning we town are the enemy?

He Bandwagoned against Lanaia, which as i explained before, is something that is very pro-mafia. Just look at his post just before, when we already established that Lanaia should not be lynched. Both his votes are given without any explanation other than "its obvious". He is either scum or an extremely bad town. Even Drazerk looks good in comparison. I dont think town needs him.

##Vote Sinani206




On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote:
Also, while I'm at it :


##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc


You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.



I also dislike the look of xsksc->spaackle so far. I think the only original contribution either has made was spaackle's argument of Palmar looking town...which is not the best contribution to have.
xsksc's filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=149333
Spaackle takes over:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=164534


I would appreciate it if others would take a look at bluelightz and tell me what they think. I am having trouble seeing how his posts make sense from a town perspective or a scum perspective, which is baffling to me. He seems to really like doing post by post...but then summarizing instead of analyzing. I don't think I've ever seen such a style before.


@Cwave
Please try to make your posts a bit more clear. I understand that english may not be your native language, but reading your filter hurts my head. Also, a good deal of your logic seems questionable, but I am not sure if that makes you scum yet.
Some examples:
+ Show Spoiler +
Palmar creates information spam, useless stuff and usefull stuff. I don't see how that observation by me makes me his buddy? I've played games with Palmar outside of the TL context and he is known for his textwalling and informationgathering skills, no matter what side he is on. Information and interaction is good for our town.
Unless Palmar plays very differently outside of TL, I don't see how this can be true.

Looking into Palmar his filter, he and Wiggles go off on some sort of duet where they distance eachother and vote for eachother.
Then they both switch and nothing is said of it and right before Palmar flips, he lists Wiggles as town. Where as before in his filter, nowhere does it come forward that he has really changed his mind or that Wiggles has him convinced that he is town. Seeing as Palmar flipped scum, im thinking MrWiggles might be one of his demonic dancing partners.

-snip-

In conclusion, these two were giving eachother nothing but hate right up until ~7:30 on the 8th of januari. Looks like a planned and organised move to move the votes of eachother after they created some distance of eachother on day1.
This logic is flimsy at best.

He said he would claim. He didnt say he would claim VT like the states in his last post i quoted here. Wonder if that's semantics or a slip that he said he would claim VT against his scumbuddies and then thought he claimed it in here aswell.
...seriously? If he said he would claim, and he is a vt, then "I will claim" and "I will claim vt" are equivalent. Also, how could someone say they are going to claim VT later without having claimed... "Guys, I'm going to claim floridian later, but not yet!" His statement here has no logical thought in it whatsoever.

You only have to fear the lynch if you are an angel.....
(this quote was said in the context of him/layabout pressuring me) What the fuck? Why wouldn't demons or towns fear being lynched?

In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know.
Unlike RoL(aka the guy who doesn't post) risk.nuke is still producing reactions and information in the progress, so RoL is a good option in my book. Hence i vote for him at this point as lynchtarget.
No, i say Risk is my number one case.
If we can lynch him today, i will vote.
Calls Risk his strongest case, then votes for RoL instead...then seems to imply risk.nuke is producing useful information while RoL is not...then reiterates that Risk is his best case. What?

Also, why did you say this:
Show nested quote +
As you choose to ignore my post and after reading your responses, you are forcing me to vote for your lynch HoD.
And then never vote for me?

Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course.
##Vote: Tyrran


This was the post where you claimed you breadcrumbed sage...because like, four of the first letters in 22 sentences just happen to make up sage!

I'm not convinced v.v
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
January 14 2012 04:51 GMT
#1668
Who would you lynch then HoD?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 14 2012 04:51 GMT
#1669
Unvoting HoD for the following reasons

A) Less chance of ninja scum hammering
B) I want to hear other people's(esp. syllo) thoughts on this
C) I fail to understand why is it so hard to believe that the AoD targeted syllo night 1, instead of HoD=AoD

I'm sleepy atm, so I'll brb tomorrow. Mb I should leave my vote back on Spaackle. Actually, yeah, I'll do that.

'night
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 14 2012 04:53 GMT
#1670
Also, while I'm at it, why didn't you check on Tyrran night 2 instead of Grack?
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:55 GMT
#1671
I thought Tyrran might be an angel anyway if he was(is?) scum.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 04:57 GMT
#1672
On January 14 2012 13:49 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@RoL
See this post for the current time remaining in the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603#6

Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither.

My top target remains Tyrran. His passivity and seeming lack of confidence in his reads and overall disinterest in the lynches just seems unlike most townies, and unlike how he played in my prior game with him. While I didn't want to make the following point yet to see if he would keep doing it, Dirkzor already brought it up and stated it quite well, so no reason not to restate it now:
On January 11 2012 03:38 Dirkzor wrote:
In the end I'll just quote how Tyrran have taken no stance on anybody he have written a case on. Note: These quotes are cut, but they are all the last part of Posts by Tyrran.

So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?
You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ?

On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ?
Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched.

While I think that alone is scummy for any player to do, here's some examples of how Tyrran himself presented cases in his prior game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too

##Vote Kenpachi


So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything

Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously).

Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777

+ Show Spoiler +


On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:

Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it.

##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Nisani201


And this


Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sabin010


Bad vibes also this -

On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.


On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same.



Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on.

You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other.

If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day.


On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit.

We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.

Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit.

Oh, hi kibbibit

##Vote Nisani201


On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:
We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here.




Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though.


So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ?

FoS bumatlarge.

On November 17 2011 06:55 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:34 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi


perhaps, but why choose to lynch kenpachi over the guy who anti-voted him?

If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum.
If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy.

If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment.
If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum.

I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment.



Actually, i think that's a good point. However, if kenpachi flips red, i still think we should auto lynch lanaia. We cant let someone that anti voted a scum go free.

Also, if lanaia is blue, she will most likely be a priority kill for the mafia ( who now knows she isnt green), and migth not live to see day 2 anyway.

Also kenpachi, you're only defense is : "LOL TOWN IS BAD". I seriously hope that you can do better than that.

##Vote Kenpachi

On November 18 2011 07:20 Tyrran wrote:
So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum.

First of all, Sinani was a big partisan of dividing our attention . Quite amusingly he used the divide and conquer analogy, where as pointed by WBG, you are suppose to divide you enemy. Meaning we town are the enemy?

He Bandwagoned against Lanaia, which as i explained before, is something that is very pro-mafia. Just look at his post just before, when we already established that Lanaia should not be lynched. Both his votes are given without any explanation other than "its obvious". He is either scum or an extremely bad town. Even Drazerk looks good in comparison. I dont think town needs him.

##Vote Sinani206




On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote:
Also, while I'm at it :


##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc


You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.



I also dislike the look of xsksc->spaackle so far. I think the only original contribution either has made was spaackle's argument of Palmar looking town...which is not the best contribution to have.
xsksc's filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=149333
Spaackle takes over:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=164534


I would appreciate it if others would take a look at bluelightz and tell me what they think. I am having trouble seeing how his posts make sense from a town perspective or a scum perspective, which is baffling to me. He seems to really like doing post by post...but then summarizing instead of analyzing. I don't think I've ever seen such a style before.


@Cwave
Please try to make your posts a bit more clear. I understand that english may not be your native language, but reading your filter hurts my head. Also, a good deal of your logic seems questionable, but I am not sure if that makes you scum yet.
Some examples:
+ Show Spoiler +
Palmar creates information spam, useless stuff and usefull stuff. I don't see how that observation by me makes me his buddy? I've played games with Palmar outside of the TL context and he is known for his textwalling and informationgathering skills, no matter what side he is on. Information and interaction is good for our town.
Unless Palmar plays very differently outside of TL, I don't see how this can be true.

Looking into Palmar his filter, he and Wiggles go off on some sort of duet where they distance eachother and vote for eachother.
Then they both switch and nothing is said of it and right before Palmar flips, he lists Wiggles as town. Where as before in his filter, nowhere does it come forward that he has really changed his mind or that Wiggles has him convinced that he is town. Seeing as Palmar flipped scum, im thinking MrWiggles might be one of his demonic dancing partners.

-snip-

In conclusion, these two were giving eachother nothing but hate right up until ~7:30 on the 8th of januari. Looks like a planned and organised move to move the votes of eachother after they created some distance of eachother on day1.
This logic is flimsy at best.

He said he would claim. He didnt say he would claim VT like the states in his last post i quoted here. Wonder if that's semantics or a slip that he said he would claim VT against his scumbuddies and then thought he claimed it in here aswell.
...seriously? If he said he would claim, and he is a vt, then "I will claim" and "I will claim vt" are equivalent. Also, how could someone say they are going to claim VT later without having claimed... "Guys, I'm going to claim floridian later, but not yet!" His statement here has no logical thought in it whatsoever.

You only have to fear the lynch if you are an angel.....
(this quote was said in the context of him/layabout pressuring me) What the fuck? Why wouldn't demons or towns fear being lynched?

In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know.
Unlike RoL(aka the guy who doesn't post) risk.nuke is still producing reactions and information in the progress, so RoL is a good option in my book. Hence i vote for him at this point as lynchtarget.
No, i say Risk is my number one case.
If we can lynch him today, i will vote.
Calls Risk his strongest case, then votes for RoL instead...then seems to imply risk.nuke is producing useful information while RoL is not...then reiterates that Risk is his best case. What?

Also, why did you say this:
As you choose to ignore my post and after reading your responses, you are forcing me to vote for your lynch HoD.
And then never vote for me?

Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course.
##Vote: Tyrran


This was the post where you claimed you breadcrumbed sage...because like, four of the first letters in 22 sentences just happen to make up sage!

I'm not convinced v.v

That one and 3 others. First two and last two sentences in that post, and also the S from that post and then the next 3 posts I made. Not enough words start with g T_T
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 14 2012 05:01 GMT
#1673
Well, honestly, I still won't lynch you today. For obvious reason.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#1674
@Zephirdd
How have I been invisible? People have been accusing me ever since the no-kill night one where I was in purgatory and I have been responding.
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 14 2012 06:39 GMT
#1675
So I'm gone doing stuff for a while, and when I come back, I'm suddenly one of the "primary targets" for lynch?

What?

I'll admit I have been gone for most of the day: I had a few things that came up, and I ended up staying a few hours longer than I had ex
Friendship is Magic!
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 14 2012 06:45 GMT
#1676
EBWOP: expected because we ran into a few problems. All of this was completely outside of my control.

Lynching me will be just as good for the town as was lynching Erandorr and risk. While I may not be as active as I could be, lynching me is still a mislynch.

HoDs claim is interesting. Everyone should back their votes off him and focus on a much safer lynch, like RoL. However, leaving breadcrumbs like that is still something that a scum could do, and fall back on if it looks like he'd be lynched. But this is too much WIFOM for right now. Let's just play it safe and back off.
Friendship is Magic!
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 14 2012 06:46 GMT
#1677
That was weird. I've never had TL post while I was writing before...
Friendship is Magic!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 14 2012 06:52 GMT
#1678
So we killing rol or what
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 14 2012 07:16 GMT
#1679
Yes. Let's bury him

Vote: ##RebirthofLeGenD
Friendship is Magic!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
January 14 2012 07:21 GMT
#1680
y
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