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All the naniwa drama going around was *almost* as good as mafia though, lynch mobs included.
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/in All the naniwa drama going around was *almost* as good as mafia though, lynch mobs included. | ||
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On December 16 2011 10:41 Radfield wrote: I just can't do two games at once. It burns me out on mafia. This man speaks wisdom. On December 16 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Just /in Radfield! You too sexy not to play this game. Also 1st 3 hour exam=done. Now to my second 3 hour exam rofl Good luck! | ||
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On December 19 2011 04:18 Curu wrote: Well we are guaranteed a scum lynch on day 1. Me or Palmar 100% of the time everytime one of us will be scum. And since I already plan on being Town we should just lynch Palmar day 1. Nah, I have an irrational hatred of hydras, so I have to lynch you day one. Sorry. Policy and all that. | ||
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Also I am tired and going to bed, expect posts from me soon(tm) | ||
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[QUOTE]On December 20 2011 18:35 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On December 20 2011 18:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: RE: The hydra I have no idea what/who this is, but I think I happened across it twice reading the thread. Is this someone's nickname? I haven't kept up with the last few (months of) games, so hook a brother up. [/QUOTE] A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment. | ||
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Lets try again On December 20 2011 18:59 L wrote: RE: The hydra I have no idea what/who this is, but I think I happened across it twice reading the thread. Is this someone's nickname? I haven't kept up with the last few (months of) games, so hook a brother up. A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment. | ||
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On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote: That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies. | ||
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On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote: There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read Sure, it is because I hate hydras, with a burning passion. Also how is Chezinu going to react to being voted? He's going to do something like talk about how the word responsibility triggers the end of time or something, our many headed friend however might yield something more interesting. | ||
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Sorry people, I hate to lurk, I'll do my best to make it up to you guys when I get back, but yesterday I was incredibly busy. | ||
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On December 22 2011 02:01 Palmar wrote: Can you at least stop long enough to tell us if you actually intend to continue pushing a policy lynch on sandroba/curu? No idea, haven't caught up with the thread, not if there are any real candidates to lynch though (or if I can peg any, really). I'm curious to see who jumped on my hydra wagon, too. The thing with policy lynches is they are good and dandy as an initial point of discussion, but they suck from an information perspective. Its always interesting to see who jumps on it though. Now, I need to eat food and then do work. | ||
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Lets crack this bitch right open. Part 1: The Setup ![[image loading]](http://www.hitechcj.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jpg_law_justice_003.jpg) First of all, regarding the setup. Everyone who is speculating on it, I suggest you go take a gander at Personality Mafia, notice the preponderance of vigilantes over dts. I'm betting this game follows a similar theme in that respect. I think this talk of triggers is preposterous, responsibility is based on actions not words, so expect things like weak medics or suicidal vigilantes, not "a DT that can only check people who have said potato". So stop worrying about "triggers" and such. This is at its basest still a game of mafia. Behave analytically, dont lie and don't derp, and everything will be ok. Bumatlarge's talk of responsibility points is an insane excuse to obfuscate his posting, and thus rather suspicious in and of itself. This is a closed setup, we know nothing, so stop talking or making assumptions based on the title. For all we know everyone is a VT or a time traveling Nordic Jahrl, don't speculate about the setup, since we are probably never going to have any concrete information regarding the setup. I'll say it again, play this as a normal setup. My major suggestion is to not claim, however under any circumstance. I suspect that there is a mafia role that can shoot based on claims, much like the sniper in Zona's Steamship game. Don't adjust your behavior to deal with the setup, if the setup is well designed then playing normally will win us the game, and behaving like morons will end in our quick and unsubtle deaths. So, don't worry about it, and don't waste time discussing it. (part two coming as soon as I'm done writing it) | ||
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On December 22 2011 06:03 SamuelLJackson wrote: GM's play looks just like Some Mafia Game as scum where he made a terrible case day 1, neglected to respond to any of the criticisms of the case, promised activity constantly but never delivered. Actually a more fair comparison would be my play in PTP where I simply was overwhelmed with work the first two days. It happens, but as town or scum, I'm generally active, so please, analyze my behavior if you will, but inactivity is always going to be do to matters beyond my control. I sign up to play mafia, not to sit on my ass and lurk, thats no fun for anyone. | ||
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Part 2: Picking and Choosing. Who to lynch day 1 Fuck it, I was half way through an analysis and realized it was utter shit. Let me just throw down my thoughts on a few players and I'll try to cook up something actually coherent. The major point is that the thread early on is actually painful to read with a bunch of nonsense being thrown around. Chez and bum yelling about triggers and hinting at roles, when really, there is no reason or call to do so. That said, I can see bum doing that as town, and Chez is freaking Chez, although in his defense, I can come up with a reason why town would claim traitor, in fact, I think anyone who has read the OP carefully can come up with a reason. If chez were not utterly insane and had been subtle about it I might have even given him town points for it. LSB: Well, he hasn't come up with a mega plan yet, but I find wbg analysis against him to be quite weak. The fact is I expect better play from LSB overall. One point I didn't see brought up is that LSB seems to be lacking confidence, Town LSB is supremely confident, I don't get that "feel" here. his defense seems ok. I wanted to comment on him since he was a lynch target at some point. SamuelLJackson - Hydra! Kill it with fire! Kill it with fire!. Ok, not seriously. What I find suspicious is that he endorsed a weak case against LSB. The fact that he can't come up with a reason why Chez might softclaim traitor as town is suspicious to me, especially because he says its anti town, and then doesn't do anything about it. Especially lolworthy is how he accuses me of making a stupid case when my "case" is "I dislike hydras, hurr durr", which was an attempt at gauging reactions. In fact I find the fact that he is so upset over it to be something worth noting Kitaman- Hi Kita! Do you guys know whats funny about kitaman27 this game? That he is playing exactly to his scum meta and not actually contributing anything! Here is his filter Read it, what is it about? Lurkers and Sheth, thats all kita seems to talk about. Yet he gets away as "not lurking" because of his 3-4 posts. Compare that to his play in Team Meele were he was active and pushing an agenda of lynching scum, and wham, you have a likely red. Seriously, look at his posts, town kita often asks poignant questions and pushes his objectives, almost always taking stances, while scum kita likes to go for the "soft" lynches in lurkers and trolls while staying well away from the spotlight. Notice how he pushes Sheth, who no one is voting for, likely putting him on the "voting for someone not lynched train" Kita walks in in the middle of Palmar making a major accusation about me to yell about sheth, and then walks away, without taking a stance on it. In fact, reading through his posts, he fails to to take a real stance on anything. Of the players in the game, he is one that jumps out at me as extremely suspicious and worth scrutinizing. Also, Palmar and L, stop yelling at each other, and remember, you have a higher chance of finding scum in the mid activity players, which is a category neither of you fulfills, but which kita does. | ||
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##Vote: Kitaman27 | ||
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On December 22 2011 07:15 Jackal58 wrote: Interesting. What about mine? Or did the entire scum team choose to ignore me today? And he is a lynch target right now. Not "at some point". Bugs asked me about LSB's town meta. I answered him. That gets into his confidence as town. Did you read it? Do you agree or disagree? How can you compare Kita's meta to his town play and vote for him yet ignore LSBs? What's up with this shizzle GMan????? I'm running on like 3 hours of sleep, cut me some slack. Reviewing, I apparently didn't read the case against LSB carefully enough the first time around. | ||
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On December 22 2011 07:27 SamuelLJackson wrote: @GMarshal I want to you to answer this honestly: How carefully are you reading the thread? /sandroba I sped read to catch up, the only posts I skipped were Chezes. That said, it was not a careful read through, it was more of a "fuck, fuck, fuck, I should have done this yesterday" style read, I usually like to read the thread 3-4 times before saying anything. Plus you know (I think) that my reading comprehension goes out the window when I'm exhausted | ||
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LSB is inconsistent with his usual meta, with this I agree, however I don't remember at all the last game he rolled scum, and I'm in no shape to check right now. I kind of want to pull a RoL and just throw in a placeholder vote, but I already feel crummy for totally disregarding this game yesterday, and doing other stuff instead. I have six hours to figure this crap out, right? Deadline is 00:00 EST? | ||
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Give me 48 hours to get my act together, that's until the middle of day 2. If by then I'm not up to my usual standards, shoot me, lynch me or whatever you want. Right now my concentration is blown, I simply cannot write/think coherently. I feel like crap for doing it because this is an invite game, and I should be showcasing high level town play and all that, but I feel like I'm swimming through molassas rather than playing mafia. | ||
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On December 22 2011 11:42 LSB wrote: Hmm... I just realized that deing is problematic, I'll claim I am the Overly righteous Vigilante. I have one bullet, however if I shoot a townie I commit suicide What does this mean for you? Right before day tomorrow I will announce who I shot. If the person is townie and I'm still alive, feel free to lynch me. However I'm pretty accurate with my shots, so it will probably be red, and then you can judge me again. What if I'm mafia? Well either way there will be one dead red by tomorrow, so it all works out for town. Lies! Do you know how I know you are lying? I have that same role. Its not called Overly Righteous Viglante, its called Justice vigilante. I took the precaution of crumbing it earlier with the picture + Show Spoiler + which is the first result you get when searching "justice". Therefore you are lying scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB | ||
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On December 22 2011 11:49 LSB wrote: Because Ver would defiantly put a duplicate of the same role in a game.... Wana test? I'll shoot you tonight if you wish, if you're town, we both die, if your mafia, you're probably too scared to face my shot Deal. | ||
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On December 22 2011 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh look, GM counterclaims. How quaint. Thought you were exhausted GM? Thought you were running out of steam GM? Thought you were surely done for the night GM? I came back to see if I died. I'm feeling stupid and lazy, but something this basic is something I know. | ||
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On December 22 2011 16:00 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah, that sounds good. We should have him claim right before deadline so that we have a confirmed town if he dies. Fair enough GM? That was the plan. I'll put up who I am killing 1 minute before the deadline. I'll also try to get as much analysis out there as possible between now and the end of the day. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/122/114/130232443562.gif?1305073704) My play thus far T.T So, I've sucked horribly and the fact that two of my coworkers decided not to show today really cut into my TL time. Be that as it may, a list of my reads, for reference if I misfire, and for reference if I hit. Consider it my apology for not being able to crank out a full fledged analytic post full of pictures. If I live, well then, this should be something to hold me to. Foolishness- Town. He hasn't said much (as per his usual day 1 play.) But what he has said has generally been spot on, or at least been something that Town foolishness would absolutely, 100% certainty say. This post in particular (the bit about palmar). this post too pretty much cemented in my mind that Foolishness is town. Its not blatantly obvious, but anyone reading carefully should see that foolishness is probably town. RebirthOfLegend - Lurking, possibility of scum. He talks about nothing but the setup, and never mentions any lynch candidates, being "too busy". The fact that placing placeholders and not being around is exactly what he did in TMM sets of some alarms. Not a bad shot, all things considered. wherebugsgo - hard to tell, he is being spammy and aggressive, just like every other game, rule of thumb is that if he doesn't start pushing smart cases, rather than stupid ones, then he is scum, otherwise chances are he is town. I am getting the "fearless town" vibe from him, but he had a very similar style in Pony Mafia, so I'm not going to use that as an indicator kitaman27 - I stand by what I said about him pushing sheth when, frankly, there are better things to do with his time. The fact that he pushes for me over LSB is understandable, but it also places him in the wonderful position of being able to wash his hands clean of blood. That said, reading with a clearer head, I don't see the meta difference I thought I saw earlier. Null read. Possible for him to be scum, but more data is required. syllogism- syllogism town meta = ask lots of questions and whine about inactives. syllos play this game = ask lots of questions and whine about inactives. Oh, yeah, I really, really wish he would make the effort of making a post longer than three - four lines. If we could get even two paragraphs that would be an improvement. SamuelLJackson - First man on the LSB wagon, sadly I understand why it was there all too well. As much as my subconscious would like to believe he is mafia, the fact that my lolworthy argument about hydras got something like 4 votes on him, combined with his generally town seeming behavior, I'm going to have to say he is town, at least for now. If he is scum, the weak link is 100% sandroba, while Curu will run around supporting shitty cases. Jackal58 - actually almost wrote a case against him yesterday based on him being "too nice". However he took the opportunity to tunnel LSB and frankly, I have a hard time making my suspicions against him anything more than a nebulous "well, damn it". I'm used to expecting a much more lurkerish Jackal day 1. Hell if I know at this point. Tunneling is usually a town Jackal trait, but he proved he was aware of this in Cosmic Horror, so for all I know he is taking advantage of that knowledge. Leaning more town than scum, but I highly suggest caution. If he randomly finds a bunch of incriminating breadcrumbs, then lynch him! Liquid`Sheth- Not much to go on. He panics with the LSB lynch and proposes pretty much the worst possible solution, have the two vigis shoot each other, rather than the kitaman solution, this indicates that he at least finds one of the claims believable. He is fine with a no-lynch which is by no means damming, but what worries me is how he tries to shed blame for it here. I lack sufficient data to make a real judgement on him. Leaning red based on the whole "if a no lynch does happen, its not my fault" while advocating a no lynch. L - based on the amount of effort put into his posts, and the fact that from looking at him I get a feeling of transparency, I'm willing to believe he is town. He softclaims blue here. He has no hesitation in aggressively pushing Palmar, L is known for getting in screaming matches with townies, so this is par for the course for a town L. This is a soft read though, will be more definitive when I have more to go on. Mr. Wiggles - oh, dear, flashbacks to cosmic horror again. He calls out BC on lurking, just like he called out Eii in CH, and in general seems to avoid the current issues, except for his mathematical analysis of the LSB situation. I just get a scum vibe of off him, especially his bland opening post, where he talks to death about irrelevant things. Palmar - Agressive, spammy, obnoxious. Yep, this is town Palmar right here, bullying and all. Scum Palmar is a lot more passive and just generally feels like he cares less. Add to that that L wanted to get in a yelling match with him, and given the fact that he didn't shove the easy mislynch down the town's throat when he had the opportunity to, and I think he is town. Chezinu - There is one very good reason why a clever town player (especially one that can get away with it) would try to claim traitor. To lure out the scum teams only guess at finding the traitor. That's exactly the kind of play I would expect from chez, based on its sheer level of insanity. However that said, he is also insane, and might try that as scum, for the giggles. Given how strong he is at reading people, I 100% expect that if he is the traitor he will be induced soon. I want to hear his actual reads on people, if he gives me a list of scum, chances are that if we lynch into it and Chez is scum, we hit mafia. That said, Chez is insane, I refuse to commit to a read of him, although I lean town. Please Chez, gimmie a list of people you think are scum ^_^ chaoser - Yes, he gives his thoughts on the early phases of the game and tries to put on his "town leader hat", but his attempts to lead seem to fall short. I find his case against L to be not compelling at all, and frankly his play seems generally weak compared to what I tend to expect from town chaoser. That said this is probably my most tentative read, I would love to hear his thoughts on the last half of day 1. bumatlarge - he feels like chezinu 2.0 right now, which is extremely bothersome. Bum is clearly having fun with it, but I have no idea what the hell is going on with him. Half his messages are related to chez and read like nonesense. I can't fathom his motivation, unless its really role related, or if he is scum trying some crazy play (totally possible for bum). He seems to be giving some opinions and such and his last post is a lot better. I have to go with town here, simply because it seems too ballsy for scum, and if SMG is any indication bum usually knows what to do with a blue role. BloodyC0bbler - not much to say on him. Much like me, he is excessively busy. Of the two significant posts he has, one is entirely hollow of content, but also entirely believable. His vote on LSB reads like a pressure vote which he never showed up to discuss further. No real idea until he posts more. GGQ - see BC, simply not enough data to judge. He promises to be useful and has thus far failed to deliver. Would like to see more. prplhz - seems to be genuinely active and trying. Not a whole lot to say about him other than I have a strong feeling he is town, just from the effort he is putting in. If he is scum and set his alarm at 4:30 am to be part of a lynch then he is more dedicated than 90% of people on scumteams who will often leave such things to their buddies. That and the analysis and openness with which he is posting convinces me that he is town. VisceraEyes - highly active? check. Coming up with theories that require other people to have mental issues to be close to true? check. Yeah, this is town VE alright. He might not be right half the time, but he is active and transparent as can be. Not much to say to him, other than if he thinks I claimed suicidal vigi as scum then he is downright insulting my scumplay. Oh, I guess I should announce that I'm shooting RoL. I'm not having a repeat of TMM where he gets away with being busy till the endgame. If I'm wrong then on my head be it (and by that I mean I'll be horribly dead). I know there isn't strong analysis supporting it, but I just spent 3 1/2 hours writing this post/coming up with who to shoot, and I just don't have time to flesh out a fully detailed analysis on anyone before the deadline. | ||
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I love the setup though. Very volatile but very skill intensive. I would play a tweaked version, time permitting. | ||
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