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On December 05 2011 07:32 vaderseven wrote:
What do you think about some of the players positions or contributions Annul (spefically the redFF/Palmar situation, Corrupt, and Radfield).
still waiting for palmar to return from sleepland before judging further. but right now it looks like a bunch of nothing. ask me near the end of day 1 what i think if you are still curious because [something i wont mention to not give people ideas] might happen and if it does, it probably will change my mind. but for now it all seems ok to me.
hm, you know, i answer this question in order... so when i look at corrupt's filter and i see this gem, i begin to wonder maybe i am wrong above about redff:
On December 05 2011 02:56 Corrupt wrote:
This is not going to be easy... so many suspicious people already.
On December 05 2011 04:22 Corrupt wrote:
I pictured TruthBringer as one of the good guys, so I'm being suspicious about prplhz..
On December 05 2011 04:26 redFF wrote:
you said "so many suspicious people already" yet you now say you are only suspicious of prplz?
note nowhere did corrupt say he was ONLY suspicious of prplhz. he said he was suspicious of him. perfectly consistent with his first post. redff then severely mischaracterizes what corrupt says. interesting. its corrupts first game and he is so noob that he thinks redff nailed him or that he did something wrong, when the only thing he did wrong was not attack redff for fallacious argumentation.
of course pure noobs can be red too but i mean right now he just looks like a pure noob acting like a pure noob.
as for radfield, although i <3 people who defend me (of course), the shit he does makes sense in a red framework. his filter is full of "hey X player, what do you think of Y?" which is great until you realize he isnt taking positions at all, only trying to get other people to take positions. his strategical posts make no sense to me, either. if hes red then it makes sense to read his no lynch story as being like "i wonder if this will stick to the wall" and he throws it up.... if it sticks, awesome for him; if not, he can just say "im only asking a strategy question guys calm down" etc
so im not saying hes red but a light FOS is in order, for sure; his actions fit a red framework.
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On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:00 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:right now? So far I got mostly things that make me think people are town  Nothing wrong with that. It's all I really have too  It's far easier to pick out town players on Day 1 than mafia players. Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time?
yeah thought it's weird too but and actually palmar said something along those lines as well earlier:
On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else.
If you scumhunt, you might catch scum
If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern.
Again I'm just not agreeing with that one. I could see that one right on day 2 or 3 but on day1? Especially with so little information? Right now everything some said would have been an easy post for mafia as well. There's no real accusations and nothing.
Maybe I am interpreting it wrong because I think what I quoted got 2 possibly ways of interpreting it, but I'd rather hear what they got to say about that than give them a possible answer to go by.
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btw, it is unfair to radfield i guess for me to say "isnt taking positions at all" -- he took a small handful of them...
but the ratio of "hey X, Y?" to "i think Z" is very high
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I think what are saying applies to his RNG vote as well.
That is the one thing he is doing right now that bothers me.
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:00 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:right now? So far I got mostly things that make me think people are town Nothing wrong with that. It's all I really have too It's far easier to pick out town players on Day 1 than mafia players. Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time?
As I stated, what current thoughts I have regarding alignment I would rather not put in the thread just yet.
I'm not really sure what you want me to do. I'm in danger of having half the posts on the previous page. I cannot do this on my own, nor can I force other players to post. For now I will settle with poking and prodding as much as I need to.
Why are you so worried about what I think? Look at my activity level, if something comes up you will very likely hear what I think of it. In addition, if the thread isn't moving towards a lynch tomorrow I will do my best to rectify it. Not to mention with an activity level this high my alignment will make itself known on its own. There's no need for me to force everything into the open to prove my innocence.
You have read the thread Erandorr, what are YOUR thoughts? Why is your first real post asking me what I think, rather than stating what you think. You're a solid player Erandorr, and we both know you don't need me to hold your hand.
I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments.
You know what I mean by this, and I'm positive you agree. No need to stretch my words.
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 09:48 annul wrote:
btw, it is unfair to radfield i guess for me to say "isnt taking positions at all" -- he took a small handful of them...
but the ratio of "hey X, Y?" to "i think Z" is very high
No one is talking.... I'm trying to get people to talk. We're moving at a snails pace right now.
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Oh, I forgot to confirm.
I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc).
I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special.
I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. However, I'm not sure how far Palmar posting "useless" stuff would go in proving he was scum; from what I read of XLVII (admittedly the only time I saw Palmar play), he just likes to post huge amounts of text, whether it might be immediately useful or not; seems to me he's just throwing his thoughts out there, hardly a scum tell.
VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude
Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM.
Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM.
We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly.
You know, I find this post a bit weird. He points out in the Palmar argument that skill level discussions are irrelevant when deciding who to vote; a good point. And yet he uses the same line of argument to argue for Drazerk being scum, simply for critisizing Radfield. ("Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad?"). It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar...
Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia.
PS: What does EBWOP mean? Also, how do you get the "On Date XXX YYY wrote:" when you quote?
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edit without post
you hit the quote button
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@annul he said "so many suspicious people already."
then only said one person, and was unable to list anymore. I'm not misrepresenting anything.
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[QUOTE]On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:
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I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. However, I'm not sure how far Palmar posting "useless" stuff would go in proving he was scum; from what I read of XLVII (admittedly the only time I saw Palmar play), he just likes to post huge amounts of text, whether it might be immediately useful or not; seems to me he's just throwing his thoughts out there, hardly a scum tell.
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good that my case isn't on him posting huge amounts of text.
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On December 05 2011 10:01 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +Oh, I forgot to confirm.
I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc). I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special. I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. However, I'm not sure how far Palmar posting "useless" stuff would go in proving he was scum; from what I read of XLVII (admittedly the only time I saw Palmar play), he just likes to post huge amounts of text, whether it might be immediately useful or not; seems to me he's just throwing his thoughts out there, hardly a scum tell. Show nested quote +VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude
Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM.
Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM.
We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly. You know, I find this post a bit weird. He points out in the Palmar argument that skill level discussions are irrelevant when deciding who to vote; a good point. And yet he uses the same line of argument to argue for Drazerk being scum, simply for critisizing Radfield. ("Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad?"). It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar... Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia. PS: What does EBWOP mean? Also, how do you get the "On Date XXX YYY wrote:" when you quote?
EBWOP = Edit By Way of (Double) Posting.
We aren't allowed to edit posts, so we post again in order to fix something wrong with the previous post like spelling mistakes or a badly phrased sentence.
"On Date XXXYYY" comes automatically when you click the "Quote" button on the top-right of the user's post.
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Reading the thread now while watching football with friends. When is the next time cycle?
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On December 05 2011 10:18 Mattchew wrote:
Reading the thread now while watching football with friends. When is the next time cycle?
Day 1 ends at 21:00 PST on Monday December 5th (tomorrow, or roughly 27.5 hours from the time of this post)
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On December 05 2011 09:53 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote:On December 05 2011 09:00 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:right now? So far I got mostly things that make me think people are town Nothing wrong with that. It's all I really have too It's far easier to pick out town players on Day 1 than mafia players. Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time? As I stated, what current thoughts I have regarding alignment I would rather not put in the thread just yet. I'm not really sure what you want me to do. I'm in danger of having half the posts on the previous page. I cannot do this on my own, nor can I force other players to post. For now I will settle with poking and prodding as much as I need to. Why are you so worried about what I think? Look at my activity level, if something comes up you will very likely hear what I think of it. In addition, if the thread isn't moving towards a lynch tomorrow I will do my best to rectify it. Not to mention with an activity level this high my alignment will make itself known on its own. There's no need for me to force everything into the open to prove my innocence. You have read the thread Erandorr, what are YOUR thoughts? Why is your first real post asking me what I think, rather than stating what you think. You're a solid player Erandorr, and we both know you don't need me to hold your hand. Show nested quote +I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You know what I mean by this, and I'm positive you agree. No need to stretch my words.
I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think? Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something? Get everybody to comment on it, see how the players react, or in other words, create some content yourself instead of complaining that no one else is doing anything. I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either. And since you are on of the very good players in this game , I feel like we can hold you to a certain standart, as you pointed out correctly.
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You're right redFF, your case isn't about him posting large amounts of text. I'm just pointing out that him posting supposedly useless stuff, and even contradicting himself to an extent, might not be scummy behaviour, especially coming from someone who I think likes to throw his thoughts out there often.
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Refallen, it posted that cuz I hadnt posted a /confirm yet and wanted to make it clear that I wasn't blind posting (posting without having read your PM).
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People who have disappointed me with their activity so far:
StimilantE: Is this guy even /in? I checked his filter and there was no /in post. Is this guy in and does he even know it? If you are, then start posting, your XLVII lurking will not go in this game.
sandroba: Radfield also pointed this out. You said before we started that you wanted to try a new play style, can you tell us about this? It sounded a lot more exciting than you have shown so far.
hyshes: Well it is your birthday so I suppose I'll cut you some slack.
Soap: No posts.
Mattchew: Joking around and being useless.
If you don't know what to talk about then you probably haven't read the thread. If you have, then post here and encourage people to ask you stuff and maybe you'll get lucky.
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Actually I am voting palmar to make sure nothing like last game with erandorr happens where I pointed him out several times and nothing happened because he could easily ignore it without a vote. Yeah I think those 2 quotes I brought might be reasonable under some conditions but I'd still like him to explain those and if I just quote those without voteing he might just ignore what I said.
##Vote Palmar
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 10:30 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:53 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote:On December 05 2011 09:00 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 08:53 Toadesstern wrote:right now? So far I got mostly things that make me think people are town Nothing wrong with that. It's all I really have too It's far easier to pick out town players on Day 1 than mafia players. Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time? As I stated, what current thoughts I have regarding alignment I would rather not put in the thread just yet. I'm not really sure what you want me to do. I'm in danger of having half the posts on the previous page. I cannot do this on my own, nor can I force other players to post. For now I will settle with poking and prodding as much as I need to. Why are you so worried about what I think? Look at my activity level, if something comes up you will very likely hear what I think of it. In addition, if the thread isn't moving towards a lynch tomorrow I will do my best to rectify it. Not to mention with an activity level this high my alignment will make itself known on its own. There's no need for me to force everything into the open to prove my innocence. You have read the thread Erandorr, what are YOUR thoughts? Why is your first real post asking me what I think, rather than stating what you think. You're a solid player Erandorr, and we both know you don't need me to hold your hand. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You know what I mean by this, and I'm positive you agree. No need to stretch my words. I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think? Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something? Get everybody to comment on it, see how the players react, or in other words, create some content yourself instead of complaining that no one else is doing anything. I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either. And since you are on of the very good players in this game , I feel like we can hold you to a certain standart, as you pointed out correctly.
My style is not slapping votes down and pushing players all over the place on Day 1. You state you want my 'thoughts' on the game, read my filter. If you have a specific question, ask it and I will answer it.
"Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something?"
Yes I have alignment reads, and obviously at this juncture none of them are near solid enough to merit posting. The reason people listen to me is I generally don't build a case until I have something to go on. Spouting about every possible scumread will only lower my(or anyone else's) credibility.
Certainly I am not going to jump in and say hey guys, I think these 4 players look suspicious. That simply allows mafia to cherry pick which one we should discuss.
"I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either."
You are insinuating here. My play so far has been characterized by clarifications, prodding players for their opinions, squeezing comments out of lurking players, answering questions and redirecting the conversation onto hopefully productive topics.
If you find something specifically wrong with my play, shout it out. If you have questions, ask away. I'm fine with you holding me to a high standard of play, I will meet it. I also expect a certain level of play out of you as well, which I am sure you expect.
I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think?
No, "not getting anything out of me" does not justify you having no thoughts of your own. It certainly does not justify you reading the entire thread, and your only contribution coming out of that being to ask ME my opinions and thoughts. Who do YOU think looks scummy, who do YOU think should be lynched, what do YOU think of the current game?
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