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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 10:52 prplhz wrote:
People who have disappointed me with their activity so far:
StimilantE: Is this guy even /in? I checked his filter and there was no /in post. Is this guy in and does he even know it? If you are, then start posting, your XLVII lurking will not go in this game.
sandroba: Radfield also pointed this out. You said before we started that you wanted to try a new play style, can you tell us about this? It sounded a lot more exciting than you have shown so far.
hyshes: Well it is your birthday so I suppose I'll cut you some slack.
Soap: No posts.
Mattchew: Joking around and being useless.
If you don't know what to talk about then you probably haven't read the thread. If you have, then post here and encourage people to ask you stuff and maybe you'll get lucky.
You missed Kingjames01 and Heir. Neither have posted.
We also need more from Corrupt and Truthbringer, our two current easy targets.
Jackal and Lanaia also need to jump into the conversation a bit more.
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Radfield
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prp, what do you think about VE? Something is nagging me with his posts.
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On December 05 2011 10:58 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:52 prplhz wrote:
People who have disappointed me with their activity so far:
StimilantE: Is this guy even /in? I checked his filter and there was no /in post. Is this guy in and does he even know it? If you are, then start posting, your XLVII lurking will not go in this game.
sandroba: Radfield also pointed this out. You said before we started that you wanted to try a new play style, can you tell us about this? It sounded a lot more exciting than you have shown so far.
hyshes: Well it is your birthday so I suppose I'll cut you some slack.
Soap: No posts.
Mattchew: Joking around and being useless.
If you don't know what to talk about then you probably haven't read the thread. If you have, then post here and encourage people to ask you stuff and maybe you'll get lucky. You missed Kingjames01 and Heir. Neither have posted. We also need more from Corrupt and Truthbringer, our two current easy targets. Jackal and Lanaia also need to jump into the conversation a bit more.
Yea, hah, people easily get lost in your notes when you don't have any notes on them at all.
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On December 05 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 08:50 Erandorr wrote:On December 05 2011 08:46 Radfield wrote:
Assuming he is town, he's trying to generate discussion, ANY discussion, given that it was basically the first post of the game.
I'd much rather we stop talking about Palmar until he actually responds. It's far too easy for people to pop in and say "yeah Palmar is the only one who looks fishy right now". Lets drop it for 8-10 hours and have people comment on other players. Okay I just got home and I have a question for you, Rad. What are your thoughts at this point? Is there anyone that is standing out to you? Do you know what I was just thinking? I was looking at my notes and saying, hey, Erandorr said he would be gone for 6 hours and it's been almost 8. I just jotted down a nice note saying you were looking scummy if you didn't post tonight  I have many thoughts at this point, but none of them are near concrete enough to be airing into the thread. There are still a half dozen players yet to post, and another half dozen who need to post more. There are several players who I am waiting and watching for them to post more on their own, without being called out. Jackal was the one I wanted to talk about, but very few players have touched on his post, and he has not weighed in either. I think so far we are doing decent, but we need more activity to call this a successful Day 1.
I did. I think you missed it. To be fair I responded to Syllo who responded to you but it's still there.
I'll be on for a little less than an hour before I go to bed.
What exactly did you have an issue with in my original post?
I don't like lists. I don't like people that post lists. And Palmar's rng lynch suggestion was just weird.
On December 05 2011 06:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 05:59 syllogism wrote:
I noticed Jackal's tone as well, which in addition to what you said doesn't fit his typical tendency to just tunnel palmar. I don't tunnel Palmar. I blow the mother fucker up. I'm waiting for him to answer my question regarding an rng vote and why he thinks that would be advantageous on day 1. If I don't like his answer I'll probably vote for him. I'm not as concerned with his list now that I saw he was responding to a question you asked of him. But the rng angle is almost like pushing for a no lynch. It just seems like a scum agenda. And sorry if my absence bothered some of you but I was watching the Steelers rape the Bungles. And now I'm going to go see if the Browns can some how embarrass the Ravens.
Post made in response to you and Syllo earlier.
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On December 05 2011 10:52 prplhz wrote:
People who have disappointed me with their activity so far:
StimilantE: Is this guy even /in? I checked his filter and there was no /in post. Is this guy in and does he even know it? If you are, then start posting, your XLVII lurking will not go in this game.
sandroba: Radfield also pointed this out. You said before we started that you wanted to try a new play style, can you tell us about this? It sounded a lot more exciting than you have shown so far.
hyshes: Well it is your birthday so I suppose I'll cut you some slack.
Soap: No posts.
Mattchew: Joking around and being useless.
If you don't know what to talk about then you probably haven't read the thread. If you have, then post here and encourage people to ask you stuff and maybe you'll get lucky.
I don't know if that's helpful or not but my thoughts about hyshes are, that he's a townie right now. What people are criticizing about him right now is the fact that he voted so early without a proper case I think.
Look up the last game (the big 80 player game), he did the exact same thing on day1 and was green or blue I think. So I guess he think's it's a good move to pressure someone early on to start discussion.
Actually the first time that happened was even another game ago when some guy called Zanfada did the exact same thing and hyshes or someone else pointed it out as weird (because the guy did not know you're able to unvote, yeah a beginners-game). Then Zanfa went ahead and explained it's good for town to vote lurkers or people who are not contributing early on to make them talk. I figure he picked it up in that game because Zanfada was town as well.
I know it's just meta but I think it's exactly the same he did last 2-/3 games. He could just do the same as a red but to me it's nothing suspicious because he does that as town as well.
Just pointing it out because you vets probably don't know us new guys by now, maybe it's helpful because again, I got no reason to think he's mafia right now based of that one thing. People called it out in the last game too, I told them that's what he does and I was right as well.
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I have VisceraEyes down as suspicious.
I have only a little meta with VisceraEyes and that is from way back so I don't know if it will be of any use. It hasn't been so far.
It looks like he really wants to get Palmar lynched. He is buddying too hard with redFF and taking his case a bit too seriously. I disagree with his criticism of Drazerk and this is the only thing he's contributed to this game anyway. I think it's weird that he doesn't want to be a part of the nice town atmosphere that he points out we have right now, but he just places his vote and leaves.
Wouldn't lynch but wouldn't miss him either. He has to post more.
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prplz what do you think of the palmar case?
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On December 05 2011 11:37 redFF wrote:
prplz what do you think of the palmar case?
What do you think of your Palmar case? His list was a response to Syllo. I missed that when I reacted to it. Does that change anything for you?
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Yes, what prplhz said about VE is what I was thinking as well.
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oh, meh i guess it kinda nullifies my first 2 points. i still feel the case is strong enough without those 2.
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I don't think the Palmar case is strong enough to lynch him on.
Do you think that posting an arguably useless list and proposing a definitely terrible plan is enough to lynch Palmar on, considering that he did it very early on and this is day1?
He posted a lot about how syllogism responded to it, like he was trying to convince people that he actually got something out of the plan. But in the end it was just another bad day1 plan that anybody could have posted to get discussion going, no need to try to justify that at all. I think that was a bit weird, especially when he didn't conclude anything anyway, he could really just have said "I just wanted to see how people reacted.".
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StimilantE has been replaced by supersoft. (Yeah, I made a mistake)
Also, although its been pretty decent so far this game, please try to consolidate your posts to avoid triple posting. Thanks!
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i wont be able to post very much tomorrow until about 5 hours before lynch.
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Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that.
On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 19:49 syllogism wrote:
Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.
I think towns have recently been doing better on the average than a d1 random lynch and considering the obvious downside that people will not have to justify their votes, it's a bad idea. Even if I didn't have a clue who is more likely to flip scum and who isn't, I will at the very least have town reads by the end of the day. If a player who I got a town read on happens to get RNGed, it would be pretty hard not to argue against the lynch. I would even go as far to state that I would rather mislynch day 1 due to scum diverting the lynch from one of their own than RNG and hit scum, but produce no information at all. Agreed. Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. It simply doesn't mesh very well with most of our primary day 1 goals. In particular, getting the mafia down on paper and forcing them to state who they want to lynch and why. RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz
I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me.
Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him?
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On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote:Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote:On December 04 2011 19:49 syllogism wrote:
Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.
I think towns have recently been doing better on the average than a d1 random lynch and considering the obvious downside that people will not have to justify their votes, it's a bad idea. Even if I didn't have a clue who is more likely to flip scum and who isn't, I will at the very least have town reads by the end of the day. If a player who I got a town read on happens to get RNGed, it would be pretty hard not to argue against the lynch. I would even go as far to state that I would rather mislynch day 1 due to scum diverting the lynch from one of their own than RNG and hit scum, but produce no information at all. Agreed. Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. It simply doesn't mesh very well with most of our primary day 1 goals. In particular, getting the mafia down on paper and forcing them to state who they want to lynch and why. RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him?
He's scum?
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On December 03 2011 23:37 syllogism wrote:
/in
Hello, syllogism.
On December 04 2011 18:46 syllogism wrote:
Hi Palmar, why haven't you posted yet? Pretty sure you are awake and around. What would you consider a balanced scum team with this roster?
What is this? You are asking another player for a list of players he thinks are scum based on performance in previous games, with most players having yet to post their first sentence? You are assuming the host has handpicked the mafia players?
On December 04 2011 19:49 syllogism wrote:
Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.
Well, I guess you aren't? If you were mafia, it would be advantageous for you to instigate pointless discussions that redirect players from hunting scum based on actual analysis and towards pointless lists that have been, as you have put it, seemingly randomized, and then to cover under the notion of "as for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it".
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On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote:
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target.
It appears you think it is safe to hide your highly suspicious suggestions behind a bush of new players. The list cannot possibly contain mafia players in it, right?
On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote:
Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.
What an excellent move. You are WIFOMing, right? I want to learn how to do it more efficiently.
On December 05 2011 01:34 syllogism wrote:
I'm also quite against the notion of "wifom".
Now you have totally lost me. What exactly is the point of a Zodiac list, again, according to you?
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On December 04 2011 22:29 syllogism wrote:
Unfortunately I do have to have material to work with and establish my innocence. What do you think my activity implies?
On December 04 2011 23:05 syllogism wrote:
Yes, that is my main concern when posting and even a day 1 priority. I can scum hunt just fine without posting.
But... you aren't doing any of those. Instead you seem to be preoccupied with defending someone else innocence, rather adamantly I might add, this early in the game, no less.
As seen here:
On December 05 2011 02:06 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:00 prplhz wrote:
@redFF
What motivation could there be for a townie to propose a no-lynch this early on day1 in a closed setup? Do you think TruthBringer is bad enough not to be able to figure this out himself?
Why do you think Palmar looks kinda scummy right now? And what exactly is the scum motivation? Do you think they believe they can get us to nolynch by having TruthBringer propose it? Do you think they would realize what kind of reaction it would provoke?
And here:
On December 05 2011 07:39 syllogism wrote:
vaderseven: radfield is a very strong player and lynching him day 1 based on such a weak case would be ridiculous. You also did not understand what I meant when discussing strategy and related things, but I'm not going to elaborate as they are not particularly relevant. Random lynching is quite different than random voting and just a means for starting conversation. He did not suggest nolynch. Everything about your radfield notes is basically wrong
And here:
On December 05 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote:
He does not push for no lynch. Read his filter and you will discover he quotes me and agrees that no lynch is a bad idea. Even if he hadn't made that post I can guarantee you that he thinks that anyway and would not push for no lynch as scum. The post you are quoting is asking someone else's opinion on it as that's one way of extracting information; by having them voice their opinion on a potentially controversial subject.
They aren't mafia too, are they?
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Instead of calling me illogical or saying my post makes no sense, can you please instead describe me your massive tattoo on your back? I would be more interested in that.
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Okay, prplhz "voted" for me in this thread. He never voted for me in the voting thread even though I reminded him to in this thread. (See page 9).
The way I see it is this . . . he leaves less evidence behind if he doesn't vote for me in the actual voting thread. The voting thread will end up being fairly short, easy to read through. Whereas this thread is already becoming a bear.
He was hoping to start a tidal wave against me and it didn't work out, and so he never actually voted for me in the voting thread. He doesn't want to come off as a frequent vote changer, etc. I think it is pretty scummy that he would so quickly vote for me in this thread, but not follow-up on it in the voting thread even after I reminded him to.
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On December 05 2011 12:10 Lanaia wrote:Agh, I'm not sure how to feel anymore, yet the game is young so I am okay with that. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote:On December 04 2011 19:49 syllogism wrote:
Incog seemed to randomize teams in PYP:I, so I definitely wouldn't lynch based on perceived balance. As for setup balance, I don't think it's useful to speculate about it given how little information I've available and how little it actually matters in terms of how we should proceed. Either way, we will likely know the answer after n1.
I think towns have recently been doing better on the average than a d1 random lynch and considering the obvious downside that people will not have to justify their votes, it's a bad idea. Even if I didn't have a clue who is more likely to flip scum and who isn't, I will at the very least have town reads by the end of the day. If a player who I got a town read on happens to get RNGed, it would be pretty hard not to argue against the lynch. I would even go as far to state that I would rather mislynch day 1 due to scum diverting the lynch from one of their own than RNG and hit scum, but produce no information at all. Agreed. Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. It simply doesn't mesh very well with most of our primary day 1 goals. In particular, getting the mafia down on paper and forcing them to state who they want to lynch and why. RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him?
That is a terrible reason to suspect Radfield.
To Radfield : The reason I asked you specificly is because I noticed it and it had not been mentioned before. That in itself was my contribution at that point. That I have to comment on other players as well is a given, but that does not make my questions any less valid. I didn't only ask you, I wrote something about you specificly because that question solidified my concern, which is that you are actually more contributing than guiding, which can be a very subtle way of playing scum.
Certainly I am not going to jump in and say hey guys, I think these 4 players look suspicious. That simply allows mafia to cherry pick which one we should discuss.
I agree with that statement in general, but I am quite confused by the reason you are giving. If people look suspicious, that usually means they did something wrong/anti-town/opposed to their usual behaviot etc. That should be discussed and we can see a lot by the reactions every player has to the discussion. If mafia actually did just discuss one player then we as a good town should notice that, and through that already gain a ton of information. You make it sound like Scum can just roll in and dominate discussion.
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I don't get day start, no one did nothing and we have nothing to analyze. I'm rnging.
##Vote Drazerk
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cool, that's good enough for me for the time being.
##vote drazerk
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