TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 116

On December 12 2011 08:02 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm still uneasy on lynching him, but not less than I am on lynching annul.

On December 08 2011 22:00 Palmar wrote:


You don't always catch scum in the same way. There is, for example, no traditional way of catching Kenpachi or Coagulation as scum, because they will not, regardless of their alignment, provide us with content that can be broken down and analyzed through post by post analysis.

That is not to say you can't catch people who play unconventionally as scum. While annul doesn't write long, well explained posts, no matter his alignment, it's the content and direction, as well as the intention of these posts that give a player away. I think annul is a good player, he doesn't give himself away every single post. But it's rather the overall playstyle that reeks of scum.

Let's look at why annul is scum:

For convenience, here is his entire filter: Clicky

There is not much to be had on annul's alignment from his initial posting. He is mostly correct in his thoughts, simply because arguing such mundane things as "should we use lists or not" is not something that can give away people's alignments. No matter their opinion on such things.

The first post that stuck out to me was this:



This is regarding prplhz's sentence: "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job"

Here's the deal, this is in no way a blue claim, and as soon as prplhz denies it being one, the issue should be ignored, yet even quite a bit later annul is still wondering about a trivial issue. The sentence can easily be read from the point of view of prplhz being town and "our job" referring to finding mafia, not blues using their abilities.

Why does annul want to stick with this? Because it gives him an excuse to contribute nothing, which has been a hallmark of his play this game.



What the shit is a blueslip, there is no such thing. He denied it referring to him being blue, and that should be taken at facevalue. It changes exactly nothing, annul is just staying on his road of "If I tunnel this, I don't have to contribute".

Just so I point it out, annul's vote on Drazerk, followed by his switch to Soap gives us no indication of his alignment.

Let's talk some more about how to avoid contributing and draw bad conclusions:



What has Soap's alignment to do with me? I called him my homeboy, so if I'm right I must be scum? Where's the logic here. I did not ask for Soap to be shot, the whole issue has nothing to do with me. I retracted my claim before the shot was fired, and confirmed it. The decision was a rash, bad decision from v7, against a person that I had no intention of getting shot.

As syllogism so brilliantly put it:



Of course, this doesn't stop annul with following through with his completely illogical train of thought, because that's a favorite thing of mafia, to not use logic and just run with stuff.



Now, please recheck annul's filter ( here ) and scroll down to where he votes me. Notice how sharply his contribution rate has fallen. Not only that, but there is also NO effort at scumhunting at all. He literally hasn't accused anyone of anything since he decided I was red. There is no substance. I think the closest thing was calling Jackal a moron.

He hasn't even pushed a case against me today.

The bottom line, is that in addition to the complete lack of scumhunting, the complete lack of contributions, annul claimed to have been saved by a medic, from a shot I am all but certain was fired by syllogism, makes me have a very strong feeling this guy is scum.



Notice, there is not logical reason for not listening to me, it's just the fact that because I'm aggressive and v7 panicked, I must by extension not be trusted. Annul is clinging onto the notion that disregarding me by referring to the misfired shot yesterday, he can discredit me enough so that I won't be listened to.

I'm still waiting on anything that can count as contribution from annul today.

I think it's also very bad for town to try and push the issue aside. If we allow the mafia do deflect the annul lynch onto a random townie (Radfield, I'm looking at you), we both eliminate the chance that we hit mafia today, and we cause town to be in exactly the same situation tomorrow. It's probably a better idea to lynch me, because at least that will validate everything I'm saying, not like mafia is gonna let me live after the night if annul dies.

With 15 townies alive and 6 mafia, we need 11 townies to make the correct decision. The correct decision is to lynch annul today.

I was useless on day 1, please accept this scum as a token of my regret.

Annul is mafia

##Vote annul

On December 09 2011 20:09 Palmar wrote:
Let me point this out very slowly, because seriously, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a mafia game.




Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it.

Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random.

At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him.



And do you know what Annul replies with?



What the fuck?????????

The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him?

In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide.

Seriously, read annul's explanation of not shooting me over and over again until your useless brains understand what the fuck is going on here.

Holy shit, now I don't just have a case he's scum, the guy fucking claimed scum in the thread and didn't get lynched. I can't express how fucking mad I am at this complete and utter incompetence. What the fuck.

In other news.

Feel free to randomly kill a few people on this list: TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.

On December 12 2011 08:04 Palmar wrote:
Don't do it.

Kill annul. No other wagon should be going on at the moment, he's two votes away from being killed, don't fucking let him escape again.

Goddamnit Zephirdd.

On December 12 2011 08:05 annul wrote:


maybe because he sees what you are too blind to see?

On December 12 2011 08:07 annul wrote:
palmar: i already know what your cases are. many people have addressed them PBPA-style better than i did...

but where i give an answer to your second "case", you fail to respond. i already know your second "case." where is your response to my response?

On December 12 2011 08:08 Palmar wrote:


I don't talk to scum

On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote:
posts useless list
the very next thing he says basically calls the list useless

I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing.

I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way.

On December 05 2011 02:57 redFF wrote:

hey at least its a case instead of pointless setup discussion and posts saying obvious things like


this

On December 05 2011 21:23 redFF wrote:
##Unvote
meh palmar you're ok for now

can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue.

##Vote Corrupt

On December 06 2011 00:54 redFF wrote:
i have 3k posts

On December 06 2011 01:54 redFF wrote:
that was fucking stupid.

On December 06 2011 02:03 redFF wrote:

:derp:

On December 06 2011 09:43 redFF wrote:
anyone not on a large wagon is anti town

On December 06 2011 10:13 redFF wrote:

NOPE

On December 11 2011 03:26 redFF wrote:
my play is so different from my scum play it's unreal. I'm gonna pull a palmar and say the good players know im town.

also if nobody claims a second roleblock then either eran was lying or rad was rb'd or we have a town rb.