TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 102

On December 10 2011 05:43 sandroba wrote:
This is a game of mafia. You don't explore ridiculous options. You just roll with what is the most plausible one and that normally is the right one. If you consider all possibilities as equally possible you will never lynch anyone nor come to any conclusions. If you fail you stop and rethink your position, not before.

On December 10 2011 05:49 sandroba wrote:
Well is Drazerk a liar? It's within the realm of possibilities, but that just comes back to my previous point. Him claiming right before the deadline also proves nothing if he is mafia.

On December 10 2011 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Why are you assuming annul is town in your most likely scenario? There is no town motivation at all in anything he has done so far.

On December 10 2011 00:39 Radfield wrote:



I tried Palmar, I really tried. At some point I need to trust other players though, and vader yelling that annul is town(when he has more information than me) is something I cannot combat.

I would say there is a 90% chance that one of you or me is dead tonight, but if we both live we can work it out tomorrow. Also, what was I wrong about, prplhz? I agree, and I had already mentioned several times I thought he looked better. Had I been around I would have likely pushed toad to pick erandorr(which I think would also have ended in a townie death).

TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.

I think Risen looks decent. Zephirdd I was pretty sure was town earlier, not so sure anymore. redFF could very well be town(despite my exasperation vote last night) and isn't worth looking at just yet. Hyshes and Truthbringer could very well be scum, though both seem genuine.

sandroba I think is almost surely scum at this point. He has done nothing all game. That is not a style problem, it is a motivation problem. Dollars to donuts he still has very little to say when he returns to the thread(with excuse in hand).

Kingjames is scummy by virtue of playing a different game than the rest of us. Building cases that are obviously not going to get followed up on, refusing to have a strong opinion on any players currently up for lynch etc.

If annul flips scum then Jackal and VE need to be looked at long and hard. Neither have been willing to vote annul all game.

If annul is town then we do actually have another medic. With a either a likely jailkeeper in the mix, or if annul/vader have a medic ability, Drazerk's claim becomes complete bs. No way we have a whole bunch of protective roles with only 2 scum KP.



I won't be on at all today until 1 hour before the daypost.

No one protect annul. There is a 0% chance of him dying tonight even if he is town, because it would help us immensely on day 3.

Watcher needs to be on vader tonight. Since he can use an ability tonight he is surely going to be targeted with a roleblock or KP.

If sandro is scum and mafia have a framer, they will likely target him tonight to have him flip green. Him or annul. If you are investigating, search someone else.

Medics on Palmar, myself, vader or toad. If you want to pick your own target that is fine too though, because we need a save to keep us running.

I would say do NOT protect drazerk. Either mafia kill him and clear things up for us, or they leave him alive to keep protecting. Both situations are a win for town.

On December 10 2011 00:39 Radfield wrote:
Kingjames is scummy by virtue of playing a different game than the rest of us. Building cases that are obviously not going to get followed up on, refusing to have a strong opinion on any players currently up for lynch etc.

On December 10 2011 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE WITH THE SETUP FUCKS SAKE DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?!

On December 10 2011 06:12 Toadesstern wrote:
because I felt we did not have a majority for Drazerk and Erandorr who were my primary targets at that point in time. At least I did not want to act selfish and just shoot who I thought was scummy without looking for recent accusations.
Therefore I looked up rads suspicious list and picked someone we both think is suspicious

On December 10 2011 06:16 kingjames01 wrote:


But you implied that the majority of the town wanted prplhz to be shot. Two players is not the majority.

On December 10 2011 06:28 Drazerk wrote:
Toad you should never of chosen anyone to be shot. Any choice would of been a bad one.

On December 10 2011 06:12 Toadesstern wrote:
because I felt we did not have a majority for Drazerk and Erandorr who were my primary targets at that point in time. At least I did not want to act selfish and just shoot who I thought was scummy without looking for recent accusations.
Therefore I looked up rads suspicious list and picked someone we both think is suspicious

On December 09 2011 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok to make this clear. I would LOVE to shoot drazerk or erandorr. To be honest mostly drazerk but I don't think that will prove a thing because the majority is not thinking so as well.
I'd say prplhz is the biggest consensus (looked that word up in a dictionary, sounds fancy). I think he's scummy as hell and a lot of people think so as well.

SOOO, shot that guy right in his face or die yourself.

On December 09 2011 21:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Third issue, about who I got to shoot. As mentioned I would have LOVED to shoot drazerk because I still don't believe a word he says and I'm calling his claim bullshit. However I looked up what other people I think are townie think about him (rad for example) and frankly I was the only one who wanted to see him dead. So I figured I need someone else. Having rads "probably scum" list already opened I checked who rad thinks might be suspicious and yes, the guy that is on both our lists without a '?' was prp so I shot him. That's the consensus I was talking about.

On December 10 2011 06:25 Toadesstern wrote:


I never said such a thing. I said I would have loved to shoot Drazerk or Erandorr but did not. I looked up a couple of posts.
I thought rad's list is the best thing to go by and just pick someone we both think is scummy. That's the consensus I've mentioned. I just looked in his list. Saw we got a bunch of people we think are scummy in common and picked the guy who had neither a '?' in my head nor in his list. That's the deal.
Sadly rad was not arround I would have loved talking about this and waited like 5 minutes but that's it.

On December 10 2011 06:30 Toadesstern wrote:

what should I have done instead? Tell him to not use a power at all? Clearly people would have thought that's weird as well.
Mason me? Yeah I could have done that but sadly there's nothing in the thread that confirms that so I think shooting a mafia was the only option I had.