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Radfield
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On December 09 2011 22:15 Palmar wrote:
Rad was completely fucking wrong, to the point of me thinking he might be mafia.
Only thing that makes him not be mafia is the fact that he tried to lynch annul last night.
I tried Palmar, I really tried. At some point I need to trust other players though, and vader yelling that annul is town(when he has more information than me) is something I cannot combat.
I would say there is a 90% chance that one of you or me is dead tonight, but if we both live we can work it out tomorrow. Also, what was I wrong about, prplhz? I agree, and I had already mentioned several times I thought he looked better. Had I been around I would have likely pushed toad to pick erandorr(which I think would also have ended in a townie death).
TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.
I think Risen looks decent. Zephirdd I was pretty sure was town earlier, not so sure anymore. redFF could very well be town(despite my exasperation vote last night) and isn't worth looking at just yet. Hyshes and Truthbringer could very well be scum, though both seem genuine.
sandroba I think is almost surely scum at this point. He has done nothing all game. That is not a style problem, it is a motivation problem. Dollars to donuts he still has very little to say when he returns to the thread(with excuse in hand).
Kingjames is scummy by virtue of playing a different game than the rest of us. Building cases that are obviously not going to get followed up on, refusing to have a strong opinion on any players currently up for lynch etc.
If annul flips scum then Jackal and VE need to be looked at long and hard. Neither have been willing to vote annul all game.
If annul is town then we do actually have another medic. With a either a likely jailkeeper in the mix, or if annul/vader have a medic ability, Drazerk's claim becomes complete bs. No way we have a whole bunch of protective roles with only 2 scum KP.
I won't be on at all today until 1 hour before the daypost.
No one protect annul. There is a 0% chance of him dying tonight even if he is town, because it would help us immensely on day 3.
Watcher needs to be on vader tonight. Since he can use an ability tonight he is surely going to be targeted with a roleblock or KP.
If sandro is scum and mafia have a framer, they will likely target him tonight to have him flip green. Him or annul. If you are investigating, search someone else.
Medics on Palmar, myself, vader or toad. If you want to pick your own target that is fine too though, because we need a save to keep us running.
I would say do NOT protect drazerk. Either mafia kill him and clear things up for us, or they leave him alive to keep protecting. Both situations are a win for town.
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On December 10 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar your arrogance is making the rest of us seem "ignorant"... How about for 24 hours you assume annul is town. Go after someone, anyone, else please, even if its me.
really? you're telling him to stop tunneling?
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On December 10 2011 00:48 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar your arrogance is making the rest of us seem "ignorant"... How about for 24 hours you assume annul is town. Go after someone, anyone, else please, even if its me. really? you're telling him to stop tunneling?
Red, I have accused you of being scummy. You are not my ONLY scum read that I speak of in this thread. You can quote me saying vote for red 40 times because they are all within a couple hours of the lynching deadline when I was trying to push for your lynching. I am not calling people names for not voting you I am simply trying to show people what I believe and hoping they come to the same conclusions. You have another 72 hours to convince me that you are not scum.
What do you, redFF, think of these players - this is not my scumlist or townlist its just a list of people being less discussed
Hyshes
Jackal
Sandroba
Truthbringer
Corrupt - now xsksc
Lanaia
Risen
Visceraeyes
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@palmar since when am i on your 'to be shot' list?
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On December 10 2011 00:53 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 00:48 redFF wrote:On December 10 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar your arrogance is making the rest of us seem "ignorant"... How about for 24 hours you assume annul is town. Go after someone, anyone, else please, even if its me. really? you're telling him to stop tunneling? Red, I have accused you of being scummy. You are not my ONLY scum read that I speak of in this thread. You can quote me saying vote for red 40 times because they are all within a couple hours of the lynching deadline when I was trying to push for your lynching. I am not calling people names for not voting you I am simply trying to show people what I believe and hoping they come to the same conclusions. You have another 72 hours to convince me that you are not scum. What do you, redFF, think of these players - this is not my scumlist or townlist its just a list of people being less discussed Hyshes Jackal Sandroba Truthbringer Corrupt - now xsksc Lanaia Risen Visceraeyes
you want me to give mafia a comprehensive threat assessment list at the start of the nigh? I'll wait until day if I even decide to answer you.
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On December 10 2011 01:54 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 00:53 Mattchew wrote:On December 10 2011 00:48 redFF wrote:On December 10 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar your arrogance is making the rest of us seem "ignorant"... How about for 24 hours you assume annul is town. Go after someone, anyone, else please, even if its me. really? you're telling him to stop tunneling? Red, I have accused you of being scummy. You are not my ONLY scum read that I speak of in this thread. You can quote me saying vote for red 40 times because they are all within a couple hours of the lynching deadline when I was trying to push for your lynching. I am not calling people names for not voting you I am simply trying to show people what I believe and hoping they come to the same conclusions. You have another 72 hours to convince me that you are not scum. What do you, redFF, think of these players - this is not my scumlist or townlist its just a list of people being less discussed Hyshes Jackal Sandroba Truthbringer Corrupt - now xsksc Lanaia Risen Visceraeyes you want me to give mafia a comprehensive threat assessment list at the start of the nigh? I'll wait until day if I even decide to answer you.
I accept your reasoning for not answering right now. I will ask again come daytime.
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Even if everyone knows that there is no reason to not talk during the night or give out reads at any point.
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with 48 hour days I can live with silent nights
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Palmar, no one is listening to you because you're scum trying to manipulate them. Just sayin.
Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you insult everyone either, noooooo.[/sarcasm]
People I'm Looking At Before Day Breaks
Annul - The more I think about it, the more I dislike that he didn't just shoot Palmar in his facial region. Like, I didn't particularly dislike the fact that he gave his shot away - but it's certainly suspicious that he didn't just shoot his biggest scum-read instead.
redFF - He seemed to have help from on high last night when the votes started moving around. He's been sheeping me all game (yes I'm aware my original suspicion on Palmar was based on HIS case, but after I built on it and made it into something, he basically just said the same things I said in a different way. I'm not liking his one-liners, and he looks to be skating by on them.
Refallen/kingjames - I feel like one or the other of these two are scum. Gonna look harder and decide which, if any.
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Hi. I'm not scum. I'm just not motivated to argue with people not willing to listen.
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I'm willing to listen bro. Lol how am I sheeping you ve I have my own reads.
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Sandroba.. im all ears if you have anything useful
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It's very likely as others have said before that mafia only has 2 kp given the ration of scum:town in this game. We already have a claimed medic which I believe is town. Annul claims that another medic protected him. Syllo just flipped vigilante with 2 bullets. Now how likely is it that town has 2 medics in a setup which the kp is likely 2? The same goes for 2 jacks. I was waiting for some fool to claim medic to save annul but that didn't happen, nor was I here to stop the derpness that happened yesterday. Annul is guaranteed scum.
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Yes but the night power that Vader claims they both have is supposidly only pro-town. Plus, is it really that hard to believe they have 3 KP until 1 dies and then they go to 2?
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Yes. Syllo shot for sure last night. It doesn't make sense for mafia to double stack this early. No one else claimed a hit. There you go.
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Sandroba, explain this logic to me. Let's assume for the moment that Annul is town. Why is it absolutely impossible to believe that town has 2 jacks (increased town KP) given the voting sway scum would have with 6? Furthermore, if Annul and v7 are both town jacks, they could have in their bag of tricks some kind of medic power, which could feasibly offset scum having 3kp? I'm just not understanding the logic you and Palmar are using here saying that he's "confirmed scum" when the setup LENDS to having 2 town jacks, in my opinion.
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On December 09 2011 11:29 vaderseven wrote:
Honestly, aanul has 100% verified his claim. What would a jack that can do a traditional cop be useful to as the mafia?
THINK PEOPLE THINK.
I don't understand why that would make him 100% town. He didn't say every ability.
On December 09 2011 23:25 vaderseven wrote:
And he confirmed to me that he has the same options that I have.
Confirmed to you != confirmed.
Jesus, CUT IT OUT WITH THE INSULTS. It's unnecessary.
Mattchew is still rubbing me the wrong way.
Palmar's making me feel guilty for not voting someone I thought was town. :/
Sandroba's also making me feel guilty.
Maybe they're right about annul....
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Lanaia posted:
Mattchew is still rubbing me the wrong way.
...this is wrong in so many ways...
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This is a game of mafia. You don't explore ridiculous options. You just roll with what is the most plausible one and that normally is the right one. If you consider all possibilities as equally possible you will never lynch anyone nor come to any conclusions. If you fail you stop and rethink your position, not before.
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