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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 09 2011 04:04 GMT
#1961
Holy snap this was stupid.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
December 09 2011 04:05 GMT
#1962
On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote:
Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well.

On December 07 2011 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 23:16 redFF wrote:
On December 06 2011 22:38 Corrupt wrote:
On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote:
Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well.

On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote:
My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about...


I am with you on this one. There's something fishy about him and lately with all the non-productive one-liners he posts,
I'm starting to have a stronger feeling on him.
Okey so, in the start he did some scumhunting, made a case on Palmar and proved to be very agressive in his search for information. I read this as an attempt of establishing himself as a Green player (which I think he succeeded to do).
Then what he does is switching his vote from Palmar (his original case) to me.

On December 05 2011 21:23 redFF wrote:
##Unvote
meh palmar you're ok for now

can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue.

##Vote Corrupt


After I ask for his argument, he just ignores me with this line:
<2 people is not "so many">
And never sayis anything in addition to the subject.
Okey, good, but later.. This happens:

On December 06 2011 06:47 Corrupt wrote:
On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote:
GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD

You had a case on Palmar earlier and now you're unhappy with the current events.
Bother to explain please?


He just goes:
On December 06 2011 06:47 redFF wrote:
EVERYONE ON CORRUPT GOGOGO


..What?

YOU MAKE NO SENSE

Don't worry red only I am making a case for you... Corrupt is just jumping on because you wanted to vote for him


On December 07 2011 02:37 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 01:39 prplhz wrote:
@redFF

Hey, what do you think about Mattchew?

This would require more than one line so dont expect a response from red this game


On December 08 2011 05:37 Mattchew wrote:
I am keeping my ##vote redFF because I have yet to see a case against someone I truly believe in. If someone can start a movement towards erandorr with a little more of a case then I can be swayed that way.

On December 08 2011 06:44 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 06:29 redFF wrote:
On December 08 2011 05:37 Mattchew wrote:
I am keeping my ##vote redFF because I have yet to see a case against someone I truly believe in. If someone can start a movement towards erandorr with a little more of a case then I can be swayed that way.

this post is so scummy I don't even.


once again.. people assuming scum based off accusations on themselves.


On December 09 2011 10:11 Mattchew wrote:
kill redFF

mason toad


On December 09 2011 11:25 Mattchew wrote:
rad... please look really really closely at redFF


On December 09 2011 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
redFF... annul and refallen and everyone else thats reading this... please look closely at him and his terrible defense of himself


On December 09 2011 12:31 Mattchew wrote:
BUMA LYNCH REDFF AND REF DO IT TOO


On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote:
anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town


On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote:
palmar and annul got cleared by v7


On December 09 2011 12:48 Mattchew wrote:
WE HAVE 10 FUCKING MINUTES PEOPLE

ITS redFF OR NO LYNCH... YOU DECIDE

from now on this guy is a vi policy lynch every game I ever play. jesus christ.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
December 09 2011 04:06 GMT
#1963
On December 06 2011 00:43 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 00:34 supersoft wrote:
On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote:
On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:
On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:
Syllogism - This game
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.

Last Game (Town)
I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present.

Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy


I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here?

Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different.

Also,
Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me.


prplhz maybe. But redFF?!


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=122881&currentpage=3

Red's last game where he is mafia. A ton of 1 liners that basically say nothing.

This game he has been hoping all over people aggressively and been contributing a lot more.

hey look im town!

On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote:
Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well.

oh no wait im scum, 8 hours sure changes a lot. dat case is solid as fuck too yo
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#1964
Your point is he changed his mind?

Ok?

So did everyone today.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
December 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#1965
he did it with no reasoning
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:22:13
December 09 2011 04:13 GMT
#1966
Night 2


[image loading]

After the death of the cross-dressing Hier due to mob-induced head trauma the previous day, the citizens of the town revved up their vote engines to kill in the hunt for the Commies.

Continual quibbling and bantering ensued for the majority of daylight. In the end, it was all much ado about nothing. + Show Spoiler +
also a very popular Shakespeare play!


No one could make heads nor tails of the situation. Was it Commies they were hunting? No, maybe Democrats! Turtles? NO! I like turtles!

In the end, the sun set and nothing happened. Some toes were bruised. Feelings were hurt. Turtles and Democrats alike went unharmed. The town went to sleep.

No-lynch.

Night 2 begins. Deadline is 20:00 PST, Friday 9th December. All night actions must be sent in to both myself and Incognito by that time.

Corrupt has been replaced by xsksc.


Final vote count:

annul (8): Drazerk, Palmar, Anonymous, Erandorr, sandroba, Refallen, Zephirdd, Radfield, vaderseven, Mattchew, -vaderseven, -Mattchew, hyshes, Risen, -Risen, -Radfield

redFF (6): Zephirdd, Mattchew, -Zephirdd, -Mattchew, Jackal58, Mattchew, Risen, vaderseven, Radfield, annul

Erandorr (4): Toadesstern, Lanaia, TruthBringer, hyshes, Jackal58, VisceraEyes, -Jackal58, -hyshes

Palmar (1): VisceraEyes, TruthBringer, redFF, vaderseven, hyshes, -VisceraEyes, -redFF, -TruthBringer, -hyshes, redFF, -vaderseven, annul, vaderseven, -vaderseven, -annul

Refallen (1): kingjames01

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 09 2011 04:26 GMT
#1967
Good night.

Much to talk about tomorrow Im thinking (real life tomorrow).
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#1968
yeeeee
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
December 09 2011 05:01 GMT
#1969
On December 09 2011 12:59 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote:
The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town.

:/

Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense.


I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt.

HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN?

no


Why did you lie? Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well, and assuming a town floridian would counterclaim, Palmar has proven he has such a power. This does not bode well for my conclusion of you being town. -_-

Palmar is at worst a null-read, and other people should be prioritized. Reading annul's fliter did not bear much fruit other then that people's personalities are starting to mesh together for me. It appears some people were day-vigged, do we have claims from that? I may have missed them skimming the thread.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 09 2011 05:04 GMT
#1970
V7 and Annul claimed jack of all trades with a day vig shot.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 09 2011 05:08 GMT
#1971
On December 09 2011 14:01 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:59 redFF wrote:
On December 09 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote:
The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town.

:/

Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense.


I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt.

HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN?

no


Why did you lie? Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well, and assuming a town floridian would counterclaim, Palmar has proven he has such a power. This does not bode well for my conclusion of you being town. -_-

Palmar is at worst a null-read, and other people should be prioritized. Reading annul's fliter did not bear much fruit other then that people's personalities are starting to mesh together for me. It appears some people were day-vigged, do we have claims from that? I may have missed them skimming the thread.


There were two Townies killed by day vigs.

vaderseven shoots Soap

annul shoots prplhz

The corresponding explanations can be found very close to those posts.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
December 09 2011 05:09 GMT
#1972
Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well
he's not confirmed floridian, you're never confirmed until you flip.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
December 09 2011 05:28 GMT
#1973
What the hell happened here...

I personally would not have chosen prplhz as a target. He wasn't that scummy imho. I would have shot someone I felt was more likely to be scum. I wouldn't've allowed someone else to choose my target, either. I also would have actioned n1.

On December 09 2011 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why couldn't there be two town Jacks, I'm cornfused? You guys claim that 6/19 is abnormally high Mafia voting power - couldn't they offset that with increased town KP?



These were my thoughts in regards to people assuming annul cannot be town.

On December 09 2011 11:25 Radfield wrote:
Do you guys actually think a town player would just toss his dayvig to the wind in the hopes some other player gets it right!?

Annul is up against the ropes here the only way to save his ass is to hit a mafia, and you think he's going to put the gun in TOADS hand?? Screw that, you cock the gun and fire at your strongest scum read, the one presumably leading the lynch on you(remember if you are town you know the wagon on you is bs too).

Kingjames, Jackal, mattchew, toad, lanaia, VE,

Please switch your votes to annul. No way what he did comes from a townie mindset. That would be the worst play ever, unless you thought you had terrible terrible scum reads(which annul most certainly does not think of himself)

Keep in mind prplhz just got shot, so we are down to 9 votes on annul, but still need 11.

Corrupt, in the off chance that you actually place a vote and don't get modkilled, please vote annul.


I don't think I would have switched even if I had still been around. I was not going to vote someone I thought was town.

On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote:
anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town

On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote:
palmar and annul got cleared by v7

Unless I'm missing something... nothing is 100% right now...

I like the case on refallen.

On December 09 2011 12:51 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:48 Mattchew wrote:
WE HAVE 10 FUCKING MINUTES PEOPLE

ITS redFF OR NO LYNCH... YOU DECIDE


Do not force people to vote for someone they don't think is scum. Let people come to their own logical conclusions. [...] People need to vote for who they think is scum. Bandwagons are stupid.

Thank you, Risen. I've removed the part I disagree with.

On December 09 2011 14:09 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well
he's not confirmed floridian, you're never confirmed until you flip.


I'm in agreement with this statement as there are few roles that can confirm alignment for everyone to know from what I've seen.

I'd prefer a nolynch to lynching someone I believe is town. I know I'm late, but those are just my thoughts. Had we lynched town, we'd be in an even worse position. I personally feel it's technically better.

Right now, red feels town to me, but every other time I play with him I read him as scum so I really have no idea what to make of it.

On TL, when you mason someone, does it ONLY work if it's town and you die otherwise or is it something different here?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 09 2011 05:31 GMT
#1974
mason means PM rights with a person. alignment is irrelevant. if i use mason on someone i get to PM them for one cycle, nothing more.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 09 2011 06:48 GMT
#1975
I'm not scum, please highlight the points against me that you feel I have addressed insufficiently and I'll try to do so.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 09 2011 07:52 GMT
#1976
-.-

Killing prplhz was stupid.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 09 2011 08:46 GMT
#1977
And day 2 will now be remembered as the day where annul claimed mafia and people still didn't lynch him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 09 2011 08:54 GMT
#1978
On December 09 2011 13:26 vaderseven wrote:
Good night.

Much to talk about tomorrow Im thinking (real life tomorrow).


Yeah, we can spend a lot of time talking about how terrible your decisions are.
Computer says mafia
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
December 09 2011 08:57 GMT
#1979
Hi, I'm replacing Corrupt apparently.
Haven't been following the thread cause I've been in bed sick the last 2 days... I've got a shit ton of reading to do.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 09 2011 11:09 GMT
#1980
Let me point this out very slowly, because seriously, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a mafia game.


On December 09 2011 10:30 annul wrote:
this is why i give the shot to the most town sensed person in the game. if i picked and missed i instadie.

at least now you see im not bullshitting.

get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles.


Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it.

Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random.

At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him.

On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:
No, that's retarded.

If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not?


And do you know what Annul replies with?

On December 09 2011 10:34 annul wrote:
because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day


What the fuck?????????

The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him?

In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide.

Seriously, read annul's explanation of not shooting me over and over again until your useless brains understand what the fuck is going on here.

Holy shit, now I don't just have a case he's scum, the guy fucking claimed scum in the thread and didn't get lynched. I can't express how fucking mad I am at this complete and utter incompetence. What the fuck.

In other news.

Feel free to randomly kill a few people on this list: TruthBringer, Risen, hyshes, redFF, sandroba, Zephirdd.
Computer says mafia
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