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Alright, that's fair Grack - but let's look at BByte. He posts once a few times 17 hours ago, comes back 8 hours ago to post one thing. He states in the thread that he'd post thoughts if needed, but he hasn't done that - a couple sentences here or there.
I missed one of BByte's posts, but it didn't say a whole lot anyway. A wishy-washy "well, the cases look good, but that might change when they post" isn't really content. I'd posit that when accusing someone of not having content in your posts, you should probably have some yourself.
I'll stay on his case until he defends himself from my vote.
I would support a Hassybaby lynch as well, considering what multiple people have said about him. His vote reasoning is beyond weak. Tunkeg, I'm not so sure about. His early posts were decent and he did apply some effective pressure, but I agree that changing his reads twice in such a short frame of time is suspicious.
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On December 06 2011 01:31 xsksc wrote:
I would like to know everyone's opinion on Tunkeg's case.
Honestly, it's not great. It's a very weak case built on a shoddy foundation. What I find far more interesting is your OMGUS response to it.
I'll break things down point by point when I have time, but this is what I see right now.
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On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Back from work guys. Have read up on the thread now. First I would like to say, we can not lynch a easy target lurker today, unless you feel you have absolutely no read on anyone. While I was away xsksc have done quite abit of posting. And that is great, cause his postings have made me more certain he is scum. And thats not only because he labels me suspicious, but thats part of it. Here is my analyze of xsksc and why he should get lynched today. SchizoFrom beeing mr helpful and mr smileyface yesterday:: + Show Spoiler +On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:For those of you playing your first game, hi!  There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote:Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. If we happen to get it wrong and kill the blue, we get a guarenteed scum lynch the next day, so it's not the end of the world Don't get the wrong idea here blues, we do NOT want you to claim now cause you'll just get shot, it's just a hypothetical situation. On December 04 2011 13:13 xsksc wrote:Ok I'm going to clarify for those unsure. Changing your past opinnion about someone or being wrong about something is not gonna get you lynched for lying. A misunderstanding is not a lie. Telling us you got roleblocked or medic saved etc when nobody visited you that night, that's a lie. Making a fake dt claim to try and lynch someone you think is scum, that's a lie. It's ok to be wrong, just don't straight up lie He have become mr aggressive and fuck-you guy today: + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2011 18:57 xsksc wrote:
No, you're not supposed to read it like that. I said what you did was really anti-town, and it was dumb whatever your alignment is. If you're town, don't ever do something out of spite, it's stupid. If you're mafia, it's dumb too for obvious reasons.
If you are a townie, the responsibility is on YOU to not do dumb shit like that. It's your job to not get lynched.
I'm not pressuring you because you're an easy lynch, if you read my filter I've been transparent all game, I don't want town doing dumb stuff. If you're under pressure from someone, don't make an FU post and leave, it really doesn't make you look good. On December 05 2011 19:20 xsksc wrote:
It looks like you really don't understand how voting works in mafia. I can unvote you AT ANY TIME. My vote on you is not final. It's called pressure, and it's working. Pressure voting is very common in mafia games, it makes people uncomfortable and it gets responses out of people. Am I voting you because I have a 100% sure reason to believe you're mafia? Lol, of course not, I don't need to give you a list of evidence as to why you're scum, that's ridiculous. It's a pressure vote, nothing more nothing less, and it certainly seems to be working.
I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad.
The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote:
I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here.
"Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you."
This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment.
I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond.
Anti-town = / = Scum
This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. Why is that? Did someone call him out yesterday, and now he need to change his playstyle? Well, this is scummy to me, going from nice guy to ass over the night is strange.
No, it's not. He was making a point to EB, and was obviously frustrated in that argument. I'd react exactly the same way.
On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Easy killsHe made his general analysis in the post shown in spoiler below. Where he have greened out the "safe bets" Velinath and Blazinghand, who have been doing alot of posting, but who neither one have put him under the spotlight. He proceeds to red out all the easy targets like Adam4167 (got alot of votes on him at the time), BroodKingEXE (maybe scum he writes, a player who easily could get lynched for beeing a lurker) and ElectrickBlack. All these lynches are easy lynches for scum! No one will suspect any scums for beeing responsible for these lynches if they turn up green. Am I saying that all of them are green, NO, I know to little about them. But what I do know is that scum will benifit from a misslynch on one of those (at least at the time of xsksc's post, he changed his view on ElectricBlack, which I will discuss further down). + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote:This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167Possible lynchLooks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByteUnsureHe has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote:
My strongest scum read so far is Velinath.
He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk.
Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best
How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal.
#Vote Velinath Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. BlazinghandLeaning townBlazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXETown lurker/Maybe ScumA lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlackScumThis guy would be a GREAT lynch. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:
Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you.
I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215Town?First post of his to take note of is this : Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Posting in between games of LoL.
So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.
Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.
I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 07:00 ey215 wrote:
No one is looking for a lurker to lynch. Go back and read my filter I have argued that we need to be looking at quality of posts over quantity of posts. With that being said, it's hard as hell to have a solid scum read on anyone day one, and if I have to make a choice I'm choosing someone not posting, or posting hardly anything of consequence to lynch over someone that has been active.
You don't lynch for information, you lynch scum. Barring having a good read, we should get rid of someone not contributing since they're not doing anything to help the town anyways.
I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftcNeutralThese guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. TunkegSuspiciousThis guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote:
Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread.
Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers
My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches.
Now for the game so far, this is my view:
Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far.
Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game.
Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now.
xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU.
xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt!
jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts.
ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional.
Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment.
BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts.
Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! 4 posts later.... Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote:Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: AlignmentFor a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town  ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him.
Trust and lynch
At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet.
For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning townIt's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure.
Your reasoning is suspect here. If a candidate is a good lynch target, or is acting suspicious, of course they'll be mentioned in posts like this. What do you want to be said, that people who act suspicious should be ignored in lynch discussion? Easy targets are easy for a reason - they act suspicious. When independent reasoning is provided, as xkskc did, it's fine if they're then voted for.
If you're accusing him of going after easy targets why is he going after you? Other than OMGUS, there's no reason to pressure you as an "easy target" - your pressure on a couple of players earlier in the game (I can't go get the post quote right now) means that there will probablybe some resistance to a lynch wagon on you.
On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Discredit
In his post shown above he also discredits me, and label me as suspicious. But he won't act on it, he is setting me up for a later lynch, or maybe just portray me as a fool. Why oh why? Besides xtfftc I have been the only one really getting on his case. For the town to disregard me is a good thing for him as a scum. He says my scumlist is what is suspicious. Again, the scumlist came after I was asked a question on where I put the allegiance of the different players. Yes, I did use colours, and maybe some will say I used to much colours based on the current reads, but it got the red ones talking.
Other than that what I consider the most suspicious about my play is that I have been abit all over the place. Poking alot, maybe not beeing good enough with the follow-up. But that I think is a sound strategy in the beginning of day one. Now, as we close in on the first lynch I will scope it down.
What is most suspicious about your play is your inconsistency on reading xkskc. Is he educating or is he scum - and why change your mind within four posts? If your "scumlist" was only your second post, then why even post the first list of players if not to act as preliminary alignment reads?
Side note, although it isn't completely relevant: xkskc did take that stance of voting you after the case was posted. Food for thought.
On December 06 2011 00:27 Tunkeg wrote:Applying pressure, but on the wrong terms
xsksc have been applying pressure on ElectricBlack because EB said he would not put down his vote on spite. He goes over the top on something as unimportant as that, trying to pin ElectricBlack as a poor townie for it, feeding into his easy target redlist before. He eventually backs down when he see it won't take him anywhere.
That's a pressure play on an anti-town move. It was absolutely the correct call - when someone says they have information and then don't share it, that's unreasonable. After EB explained himself, xkskc backed off because EB made sense.
On December 06 2011 01:02 xsksc wrote:
Tunkeg, your case on me is shit. You say I haven't done anything useful? I've participated and created more discussion than anyone in the game, apart from Blazinghand. Also, your read did change drastically, all of a sudden you had this hunch that I'm scum, that for some reason you didn't have a couple of posts back? Bullshit!
It's a lot harder to make a case on someone when you're scum. I was scum in my first game and I remember how difficult it is to fabricate evidence on someone innocent. This is what it looks like you're trying to do right now, you haven't got anything solid on me and suddenly you're trying to make town think I'm a good lynch.
Every point of your case against me is weak and half-assed. I mean seriously, you expect people to believe I'm scum because I'm not being so welcoming and friendly to the newbies today? As for the easy kills part, I actually said I think an Adam lynch would be a good idea. I pressured EB sure, not because he was an easy target, but because he posted something blatantly anti-town. Do you disagree with this, if so, why? The discredit part is what amuses me the most though. I pointed out a major inconsistancy in your post, so what?
Finding inconsistant statements is a great way to find scum!
##vote: Tunkeg
I can't say much here. This insane OMGUS response seems either like you're overreacting to a weak case or you're getting way too involved in the thread after the argument with EB earlier.
[B]On December 06 2011 01:52 xsksc wrote:
Are you actually taking it seriously? I said there are some people I'd like to lynch but it would be a bad idea to do so. This obviously means there are people I'm annoyed with or have feelings about, but there's no actual reason to lynch them. What do you mean I can't "back it up"? How do you expect me to back up a sentence like that?
Who are those people, why are you annoyed with them, what have they done in this game to merit that?
Okay, off to work, I'll be back.
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Well, I have an hour, time to catch up.
I think Adam made a mistake saying what he said regarding bandwagons. I'm not sure how I missed this post earlier, but not having strong majorities = chances for the Mafia to swing votes later game. Remember 47? The Mafia vote-switched at 11:59 and managed to kill Palmar and almost got BloodyC0bbler as well. This is absolutely a matter for concern, and I think we should think about this - having a clear single candidate minimizes this possiblity.
I may not have made this point clearly enough in my last post (rebuttal of a shaky case from Tunkeg was the majority of said last post), but I am seriously worried by the OMGUS from xkskc towards Tunkeg. It's definitely a concern for me, but for now I don't think it should be something to pursue on Day 1.
I don't know why Hassybaby has fallen by the wayside, but I still think he's a viable lynch candidate as well.
--Establishes himiself as "new"/trying to make room for mistakes
--Defensive - while he doesn't vote for Tunkeg, the whole "Serejai" spiel came off as an OMGUS post espcially after reading 47.
--Hops on my early vote for BKEXE without significant reasoning. (BKEXE is still on my radar, though - he's been crazy quiet recently and only seems to come out to defend himself rather than providing serious analysis)
However, I still think that BByte is our optimal lynch candidate. He hasn't stepped in to defend his case yet, he hasn't made any significant analysis, and he hasn't done what he promised to do - that is, give his thoughts on the current lynch discussion. Lurking this hard, even after being called out? That's insanely anti-town. Even if I can't be 100% that he's scum, he's not playing in the town's best interests.
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On December 06 2011 07:28 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 07:18 ey215 wrote:On December 06 2011 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:ey are you planning on voting for hassybaby. So far bbyte is gonna get lynched regardless unless we have a change.I would still like to see his defense. But so far it doesnt look good. But honestly last minute switches always put me at unease. I still plan to stick to adam i would like to see what he has to say about whats going on so far. And EB if you think adam is not a good candidate plz state why this post. On December 06 2011 05:45 ElectricBlack wrote:
reconsider that, he's the worst candidate. Isn't going to change anything. Put in some content i would like to see more of your thoughts. But besides Hassybaby's case which was actually pretty good. And you arguing with xsksc which granted showed that you can post very well when you want too. Why give me this one liner it's not gonna change anything I voted for BByte on the lurker/not contributing line of reasoning. I was really hoping we wouldn't have to use it, but if someone's inactive even if town they're not really doing us any good. ..................................... Town doesn't lynch people for being bad. Town lynches people for being mafia. It's not like we get free lynches for the useless and the lurkers; it's the mafia who managed to distract town well enough and they're getting a free kill tonight as a reward.
I guess the question is whether or not you think the town can reach a clear consensus on the candidates we've been debating as scum today. If we can't - and I don't think we can - it's best to have a clear majority on a candidate to, as you said, prevent any late-night surprises.
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On December 07 2011 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 04:06 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here. Yes, because it's not just about your own analysis. It's about your analysis and everyone else reacting to (or ignoring) it. An isolated read isn't as good as being able to analyse people's responces. Hm. That's true, the extra 24 hours may make the difference. On the other hand, it's worth noting that at the beginning of the day, we do receive another piece of information: assuming that either (a) there is no doctor or (b) the doctor guesses wrong, one of us dies and is a confirmed townie or blue. A dead confirmed townie or blue, but a confirmed townie or blue no less. This information might be unhelpful but it could also play a big role in terms of analysis.
Going off your assumption that someone will end up dying tonight, why should we hold off on posting analysis? The more conversation that we can have before night ends, the more that the dead townie will be able to contribute before they die. Given this, I feel that we stand to gain more by posting analysis earlier so that we can discuss it with all of the town voices.
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On December 07 2011 05:57 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 04:15 Velinath wrote:On December 07 2011 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:On December 07 2011 04:06 xtfftc wrote:On December 07 2011 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Tonight the mafia may have already made their decision, but if we can get the same info without exposing ourselves more by delaying an analysis post another hour, is that really a bad idea? One thought would be that we need as much information as possible, but I'm not saying we shouldn't have the info, just that a minor delay is good. Five hours is what we're talking about here. Yes, because it's not just about your own analysis. It's about your analysis and everyone else reacting to (or ignoring) it. An isolated read isn't as good as being able to analyse people's responces. Hm. That's true, the extra 24 hours may make the difference. On the other hand, it's worth noting that at the beginning of the day, we do receive another piece of information: assuming that either (a) there is no doctor or (b) the doctor guesses wrong, one of us dies and is a confirmed townie or blue. A dead confirmed townie or blue, but a confirmed townie or blue no less. This information might be unhelpful but it could also play a big role in terms of analysis. Going off your assumption that someone will end up dying tonight, why should we hold off on posting analysis? The more conversation that we can have before night ends, the more that the dead townie will be able to contribute before they die. Given this, I feel that we stand to gain more by posting analysis earlier so that we can discuss it with all of the town voices. For the sake of conversation what are you thoughts on the BByte lynch yesterday. You were the first one voting for him, what do you think of the rest of us that ending up voting for him. Any votes you find more suspicious than others?
Hi!
As far as where I stand on the BByte lynch, despite the flip I think it was the best option we had. As a town I felt that we were somewhat divided between a couple of scumreads from different people, and, given that, it would be too easy for scum to swing a lynch one way or another in that situation. BByte, as a policy lynch, was a good call - lurking is and will always be anti-town play. I wish he would have gotten back earlier to defend himself and avert the lynch, but as it stands it was the right call.
I must admit I didn't expect people to jump over and start voting BByte as easily as they did. A couple people even said that they had decent scumreads but "because nobody's going to vote for them, I'll just vote for BByte". This is a little bit of a matter for concern. I don't know whether it's just town complacency or actual suspicious behaviour, but either way people need to step up and push their reads.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 04:00 xsksc wrote:
Okay, I'll go with your judgement on this one. He seems like a decent lynch I guess, I'd prefer Tunkeg but that doesn't look like it's happening today.
##vote: BByte
Going to sleep now, will be back and active early tomorow morning. This one stood out to me - "it's not my best lynch choice, but it's not a bad one - and I can be more sure that my vote will help cement a lynch".
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 05:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm willing to vote for BByte because he has not contributed to the game so far and his lynch target was stupid.
HassyBaby could still be a good lynch for today. Similar thing here. "This guy's a good lynch. Here's another option, but hey, I can actually get BByte lynched".
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: BByte
Similar to the last couple.
What it came down to for a lot of people was "who can I vote for that will be a safe bet to avoid last-minute surprise vote switches?". BByte was a safe lynch. Not the best, perhaps, but safe. His behaviour was scummy, but we could have done some more analysis on other people and maybe gotten a better candidate. EB's case on Hassybaby springs to mind as a pretty impressive case, I think if we had had the time to discuss that he would have maybe made a better lynch target.
Now that we have another day ahead of us, we need to start looking less at policy lynching and more at scum reads. While there was a reasonable amount of scumhunting yesterday, we were unable to act on those reads.
After filtering the voters on BByte, I can't really see anything suspicious. Every vote was based off of Lynch All Lurkers, meaning it's really hard to distinguish between which voters were motivated by policy and which were scum. Despite my voting first, I really feel like BH led the bandwagon here, and that should merit some scrutiny. As has been said in the last two pages, players thinking for themselves is a good thing. Forming your own reads will always be better than going off of someone else.
That said, I find one thing suspicious. xkskc's post stood out to me as just jumping on a bandwagon and really helping to get it rolling. At the time, BH had just gotten things started. An informed mafia would be able to switch votes after seeing as visible a bandwagon as BH got rolling, and allay suspicion. "Yeah, I would prefer we lynch X, but that's not happening so I'll just go along with Y". Seems weird to me, but like anything in this game we could WIFOM it to death.
Tomorrow, I think it might be a good move to focus on Hassybaby more. EB posted an interesting case yesterday, and I think I posted some stuff slightly before that. One of the big points there is his complete sheep vote on BKEXE based solely on my reasoning, and then disappearing from the thread. Something to look into. While I don't want to policy lynch him for lurking, his play so far does seem scummy.
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First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage
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err, wow, missed page 31. Yeah, that doesn't change my mind about this lynch. JB, you're just digging yourself deeper right now - you're looking very scummy.
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Why did you post that you saw EB died in one post, then immediately ask him why he thinks you're scum in your very next post?
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On December 07 2011 11:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 11:44 Velinath wrote:
Why did you post that you saw EB died in one post, then immediately ask him why he thinks you're scum in your very next post? Because JB is scum, and now that the pressure on he's scumslipping hella hard. Ii thought this was fairly clear.
Yes, I'm clear on that. I want to hear what he has to say about it anyway.
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ebwop:err, I got his posts reversed - he asks EB first, THEN states "I didn't know he was going to die" in teh subsequent post, with no posts in between
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@JB: So you skipped the day post for like half an hour? I find that hard to believe.
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On December 07 2011 11:58 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 11:33 Velinath wrote:
First off, I was roleblocked last night.
Secondly, yes, I agree with this lynch. Scummy posts after Night 1 and the analyses posted? No question. Hassy can be saved for tomorrow.
##Vote: jaybrundage Why would you claim right now your giving mafia information that we dont want them to have. And secondly if you dont post a case on me WITH YOUR OWN THOUGHTS we gonna have another mislynch with BH leading it. You gotta stop sheeping Veli if you wanna give me your case give me YOUR case
Who said anything about claiming? Read the OP, ANYONE is told they get roleblocked if they get targeted by the roleblocker, even if they are a vanilla townie. I am not giving scum ANY information here.
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Hi Blazing. My best scumread is still Hassybaby right now, as per my comment from the middle of Day 1 (after EB posted that he would post a case the next morning) and later, EB's case that went through the points I made as well as additional points. That said, I'm reluctant to push him as a lynch target until he gets replaced and his replacement shows up - or he comes back from AFK, one of the two.
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Jay,
If I am sheeping BH why was I the first one to post content on Hassybaby and the first one to vote BByte? Yes it was a mislynch but given the evidence I stand by the decision to vote him as he was the most solid lynch target right now.
As I said I want to hear from Hassy's replacement first before I consider him as a lynch target. His replacement hasn't really had a chance to post yet and there isn't enough content to justify a lynch yet.
You, on the other hand? You were scumslipping all over the place at the beginning of today, your posts after the last night post were unconvincing at best and scummy at worst...I don't really know what more to say. If you really want me to put together a case, I will once I have a free moment - headed to class in 5 minutes or so, but I should be able to get one done today.
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I would also add that you're just straight up lying when you say that BByte posted more reads than anyone in the thread. He posted a weak read on me, one on BH, a weak read on BKEXE, and one on xtfftc. Everyone else, to my knowledge, has posted a full list of reads. The post you quoted of him justifying his case and vote on me came AFTER his lynch was essentially locked in, and I did not label him scum as far as I know. I stated that he was lurking, and that lurking was anti-town play.
He posted a case on Veli and was soon voted for by BH and ofc Veli followed like he always does
Again, I voted BByte before BH did. Your case is full of lies and mischaracterizations. BByte posted a weak case and didn't justify it for quite some time. He didn't provide thoughts on the debate like he said he was going to, and he lurked all day.
You argue that I'm sheeping. Have you been reading the last half of the thread where I've been providing discussion points and reasoning for other mislynches? If you're basing what you're saying off of BByte's case, keep in mind that other people have already pointed out that I've been providing good post content since that case was posted.
This just feels like a scummy attempt to deflect attention from yourself. If you don't think my vote was justified before it certainly is now.
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ebwop: other mislynches: I spent post content justifying adam's position against BH early whenn people were voting him in response to his aggression towards BH, and questioned the short list of people who had early suspicions of xkskc. (I still have suspicions of xkskc, but we'll see how that turns out). Short version is that I have been taking stances against popular lynch targets including some trains led by BH.
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BKEXE, how would figuring out EB's alignment before night 1 matter to the town when he got nightkilled by scum? I am confused.
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Oh, and because it seems to be the popular thing to do:
@jaybrundage Come at me, bro.
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