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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
I guess that answers my question. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
@Nokarot You have until the deadline to vote. I would highly encourage always stating why you are voting the way you're doing in this thread too. It allows us to understand your motivations, and if you're town, you have no reasons to hide your motivations. This goes for everyone. Always back up your vote with some reasoning. It doesn't have to be an essay, but don't just quietly vote in the voting thread while not saying anything in here. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:29 Nokarot wrote: Cant edit, so.. I see that as I was posting that greentext question, supersoft has already made a vote. I guess that answers my question. yes. but we vote in the separate votingthread. i just posted it here so you can see who i voted at which point of time. | ||
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The1stNewbie
Malaysia44 Posts
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
##Vote prplhz | ||
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The1stNewbie
Malaysia44 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:45 Nokarot wrote: Cool, thanks guys. In that case, I temporarily have voted for prplhz (in the voting thread) being as that I thought he was the most helpful to me as a new player and least aggressive one so far. However, as the game has just started, I'm certainly willing to change my vote based on what I hear between now and the deadline. ##Vote prplhz What you have to understand is that being the least aggressive should not be a compliment. Statistically we are supposed to lose the game assuming normal percentage of mafia (proof). This means that in order for us to win the game, something needs to happen, there has to be some sort of aggression on our part to figure out who is mafia. The simplest application of this is the lurker kills. We cannot analyse people unless they post content that can be analysed. So it's in mafia's best interest if no one posts anything. This is why we don't like lurkers, because they are not giving us content to work with. Now, any smart mafia will not actually lurk, which is when we will have to apply different methods of scumhunting, but all of them require us to put someone against the wall and force him to play the game. Only when people are forced to talk, to analyse, to think logically, can we figure out who is not being honest and not playing with good intentions. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:45 The1stNewbie wrote: Does my vote have to be in bold text to be counted? Preferably, yes, and it has to be in the voting thread. Just vote again if you make a mistake and it doesn't get bolded. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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minus_human
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
That said, you do raise a good point, that aggression is a necessary part even this early in the game. One thing prplhz has not yet done is aggress. I would be interesting in hearing his thoughts on other runners and why he considers their policies and thoughts are inferior to his own. In politics, few can get by through their own merit alone, he needs to prove to me (and others) that he is the superior choice. All this is why I stated my vote for him was temporary, and there is still plenty of time for that to change. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:27 Nokarot wrote: @prplhz - Seemed to me he was the most helpful thus far, providing direction towards new players and skilled players alike, while making his campaign clear and concise. I trust him- but my inexperience may just have me as naive. A word of advise: a lot of players (including me) consider policy lynches to be a very bad thing. In theory, it sounds great: if we start lynching all liars/lurkers/etc., town players would stop doing it. In reality, it is never going to happen. For it to work, we would need to waste a lot of games during which we don't bother hunting for mafia but simply lynch those who don't follow the policies. And even if we do this, it is unlikely that we would ever reach a state when every player is aware how serious we are about sticking to the policies because there will always be newbies who don't get it. The best thing to do is to hunt for mafia (which includes engaging with lurkers, of course). We have mods to take care of the hardcore lurkers - and mafia players rarely are hardcore lurkers anyway. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 24 2011 19:45 Nokarot wrote: Cool, thanks guys. In that case, I temporarily have voted for prplhz (in the voting thread) being as that I thought he was the most helpful to me as a new player and least aggressive one so far. However, as the game has just started, I'm certainly willing to change my vote based on what I hear between now and the deadline. ##Vote prplhz I knew it. Prplhz has one MAGIC sentence for the newbs in his text: "If you are afraid that you might make a silly mistake because this is your first game, and scum will jump on you for it and try to get you lynched, you need to vote me for mayor." Let me explain why I strongly disagree with that sentence in so many ways: This sentence appeals to your emotions: This sentence scares you. Noone wants to get lynched for one little mistake. Town tries to be objective. We want to see the facts. The truth! We don't go the emotional way: What prplhz hasn't done is to proove what he says: Did he link any games where he defended an innocent townie who was being lynched? I can think of a game where Palmar and I defended innocent townies two days in a row. But I don't have prplhz in mind when it comes down to defend someone who's innocent. The assumption that scum jumps on you for little mistakes is wrong! In fact, everyone jumps on you for little mistakes! And that is good! We have to start somewhere. And therefor we need a healthy portion of aggression. If people jump on you, don't be afraid. Explain yourself. Defend yourself. It's part of this game. It's the only way to get informations. And last but not least, prplhz as mayor won't be able to save you! We have to lynch and he knows that as good as we all know it. One of our main goal of this game will be to separate the bad townies from scum. If we all get it wrong and we try to lynch you and you're innocent, prplhz is not the allmighty who is smarter than we all. His allegation that he is the one who's able to seperate between them is unproven so far. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 24 2011 20:17 Nokarot wrote: I didn't necessarily vote for prplhz for being the least aggressive (I know, that's specifically what I said in the former post) but rather that I feel, currently, he not only had a decent campaign, but had little-to-no fingers pointed at him, something which others can't claim. However, if he weighs his entire campaign on a single post, and all the fingers pointed at others prove to have no weight behind them, I may be inclined to change my vote. That said, you do raise a good point, that aggression is a necessary part even this early in the game. One thing prplhz has not yet done is aggress. I would be interesting in hearing his thoughts on other runners and why he considers their policies and thoughts are inferior to his own. In politics, few can get by through their own merit alone, he needs to prove to me (and others) that he is the superior choice. All this is why I stated my vote for him was temporary, and there is still plenty of time for that to change. The reasoning behind your vote is slim. Admit it, before others start to vote with slim reasons, too. And the little to no finger pointing at him is just wrong. I instantly pointed out why he's a bad candidate. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On November 24 2011 18:31 youngminii wrote: Reporting in. Don't ever trust Palmar I, too feel you should provide a reasoning for that. Otherwise you just look like you're pulling down Palmar for no apparent reason, and that hints at you knowing his allegiance (as in you're mafia and he's town, and therefore a threat). | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I'm town I'm not terrible at this game One of the biggest problems I've had in a couple of my last games is figuring out who mafia were but not being able to convince people to listen to me. Hopefully if I'm mayor people will be more willing to listen. As town, I usually get killed off night 1 or 2. It would be nice to have the protection to keep me alive a bit longer. As scum I try to stay out of the spotlight. I would never run for mayor as that would put too much scrutiny on me. Other players can attest to this. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
Mind you, I'm not trying to take Palmar's side by any means. I'm just a bit confused by the fact that you're accusing him without (at least from my point of view) a good justification. If many people confirm your opinion on Palmar, then I'm ready to reconsider. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
The statement of prplhz's that you bolded wasn't really relevant to my decision to vote for him- I agree with you, its not really a reason to vote him in. I voted for him because he had direction (both in helping people and policies) and made his plans clear. As xtfftc mentioned, policies aren't necessarily a good thing, but let's not pretend Palmar didn't vow a lynch-all-liars policy either. Many people voted for Obama not because of his policies and beliefs, but his charisma. I realize this isn't the absolute greatest way to vote, but it is my way of voting. In the end, I'm waiting for more intelligence and observations. I'm with minus_human, really- waiting to hear anything concrete from young-mini. Frankly, minus_human makes a good point. If young_mini really can't lend any weight to his accusations, it is awfully suspicious. Then again, its fully possible there is just some behind-the-scenes hatred that is irrelevant and driving the accusations. | ||
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